Some examples of where Sanders supporters are coming from:

[VRAMdemon]

For disappointed Bernie Sanders supporters. Here's some things to think about:

1. Regardless of what your feelings are about the other candidates, look at your feelings about Donald Trump. And then DO NOT give up the chance to vote him out of office.

2. Remind them that a lot of disappointed supporters of other candidates were willing to vote for Sanders when he was the front runner and looked like he would be the nominee. Including me

3. If you feel both parties are broken, then take this chance to send a warning to them. Vote to remove somebody who is utterly unqualified for the job and a danger to the Republic - in order to remind other politicians, Democrats and Republicans, that they will be removed from office if they do a bad job.

4. If progressives do make significant gains in 2024/2028, their agenda is a lot less likely to be gutted by the courts if Trump hasn't had another four years to stack the judiciary with judges vetted by the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society. DO NOT give up the opportunity to vote him out.

5. Think about the future of the progressive movement. If Bernie voters and young people decide to sit out this election, either by not voting or by voting for some third party, then both parties will ignore them. The only way you will affect the political process is if you participate in it. VOTE to make your voice heard

 

[dank69]

Yes, maybe I am right and maybe I would have a better chance of being right if millions of people who piss in their pants at the mention of socialism should say fuck it to themselves and go ahead and vote for him. I represent a point of view, my own point of view. I have no influence over those millions of sleeping automatons who have been programmed to fear socialism. I just happen to be one person who for whom such programming didn't stick and I speak to a few people her on this forum that they should get past it too. You are afraid of losing the election by running somebody who has been tared with a socialist label but it matters not that much to me because democracy in my opinion is already dead. I simply think i see farther into reality than you do, that it is you who are conservative from fear. You fear the country will die under Trump but I see it as already dead. There is only one solution to the pain of this world I can see and it is awakening via resignation. When all hope is lost an invisible door will open. Through that door are treasures beyond imagination compared to which the ego joy of being Nostradamus mean nothing.

Not sure why you think I fear anything. I'll be voting for Bernie if he hasn't withdrawn by the time I get the chance. I also agree that democracy is already dead. Just saying the voting numbers don't support your opinion that Bernie has a better chance to win than Biden.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe exactly the opposite. Until we kill the Republican party, the Democrats have no incentive to be anything more than "better than the Republican party." What incentive does any Democratic politician have to be progressive? If they lose, they are still rich and benefit from Republican policy. They constantly vote for policies that would benefit you, and take money out of their own pockets and what thanks do they get from you? You call them trash as bad as any Republican voting to take from you everything.

If we kill the Republican party, if we make it known that their policies don't fly with enough people to be more than a shit-tier 3rd party, only then can we get to the task of fracturing the Democrats into progressives and what used to be the Republican party.

Killing the Republican party is on the order of voting for a socialist. It's a radical idea and I always liked the idea of two birds with one stone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not sure why you think I fear anything. I'll be voting for Bernie if he hasn't withdrawn by the time I get the chance. I also agree that democracy is already dead. Just saying the voting numbers don't support your opinion that Bernie has a better chance to win than Biden.

Not really too concerned with those kinds of numbers. The numbers said Clinton over Bernie and Trump and she didn't win.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bernie has had five years of constant campaigning and an incredible amount of monetary resources to work with.

He has very high name recognition.

In the time he utterly failed to move the needle on support (actually moving backwards in key areas) and his whole logic of his electability strategy (youth vote) was laughably and obviously flawed.

But yes, it's everyone else being led around like sheep.

Excuses excuses excuses.

Fine. Don't show up on Nov and help reelect Trump. Don't think it will be seen as anything but a temper tantrum.

Act like that, and the rest of the party will want no part of whatever Berners are selling.
He'll become Jill Stein 2.0.

So if the nominee isn't Sanders and that will cost the Democrats the election you can blame the Sanders folk but you can also blame yourself. You are so deeply asheep that you prefer political suicide according to your own programmed reasoning.

 

[dank69]

Not really too concerned with those kinds of numbers. The numbers said Clinton over Bernie and Trump and she didn't win.

I think Bernie had a chance in 2016. I think the chance may have been even with Clinton. Maybe even a slightly better chance, who knows? But the truth is that the numbers didn't say Clinton over Trump in the days before the election. They suggested she was more likely to win but that the margin of error included Trump wins in several key states.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think Bernie had a chance in 2016. I think the chance may have been even with Clinton. Maybe even a slightly better chance, who knows? But the truth is that the numbers didn't say Clinton over Trump in the days before the election. They suggested she was more likely to win but that the margin of error included Trump wins in several key states.

It hardly matters what the numbers were days before the election. Clinton by that time had the nomination. Sanders for Pres was long past. Not so now.

 

[compuwiz1]

Better get the Bernie Bros onboard with Joe.

Dems screwed the pooch on putting Biden up. I think Bernie would do better against Trump. Very concerned!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Don't understand this bit. Sanders doesn't embody 'revolutionary socialism' (while a 'revolution' isn't necessarily violent, those two words in combination generally are taken to imply a violent overthrow of capitalism). He's a reformist, a left social-democrat.

And furthermore, the civil rights movement was very specifically _not_ revolutionary socialism. The very name 'civil rights' emphasises that its a constitutional and liberal rights-based approach. Granted, revolutionaries will sometimes embrace such struggles with a view to exposing their limitations, but fighting for civil rights is not the same thing as a revolution.

I have to find the article, but it made the case that MLK evoked a Biblical socialism, which is why liberals often tease Christians that Jesus was a socialist...he kind of was.

Malcolm X and the Black Panthers all embraced the more militant symbolism of revolutionary socialism.

 

[pmv]

I have to find the article, but it made the case that MLK evoked a Biblical socialism, which is why liberals often tease Christians that Jesus was a socialist...he kind of was.

Malcolm X and the Black Panthers all embraced the more militant symbolism of revolutionary socialism.

MLK was a master of creative ambiguity and being open to interpretation (tempted to add 'a bit like Jesus'). He never got to finesse his positions and evolve them in the light of events though. With the civil rights thing he definitely stayed on the constitutional and liberal side...but he was clearly smart enough to not be forever wedded to that.

Black Panthers, very definitely 'revolutionary socialist'! I remember reading 'Sieze The Time' as a child and thinking that, blimey, being a revolutionary leftist in a context where the cops and much of the populace have guns, is very different from talking about such stuff in sleepy old England.

 

[BUTCH1]

I'm dealing with this with a number of Bernie fans and it is every bit as frustrating as dealing with Trump fans. They think they have the luxury of being picky. Fuck them all. The best thing that can happen to America, like I've said since 2016, is for the GOP to enjoy iron rule for 4 decades. After that, they can come back and tell me how principled it was not to vote for shithead Joe.

Exactly, Biden is going to win he nomination without much negative crap slung at Sanders at all. So these idiots threaten to vote for trump as "payback", talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

[hal2kilo]

Exactly, Biden is going to win he nomination without much negative crap slung at Sanders at all. So these idiots threaten to vote for trump as "payback", talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Liberal Tea Party. Purity above all.

 

[BUTCH1]

Not really too concerned with those kinds of numbers. The numbers said Clinton over Bernie and Trump and she didn't win.

She won the popular vote by 3 million, her strategy of not visiting rust-belt states cost her the electoral collage.

 

[sandorski]

Exactly, Biden is going to win he nomination without much negative crap slung at Sanders at all. So these idiots threaten to vote for trump as "payback", talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

People voting for Trump won't be the problem, people lacking the desire to vote will be the problem.

 

[Bitek]

So if the nominee isn't Sanders and that will cost the Democrats the election you can blame the Sanders folk but you can also blame yourself. You are so deeply asheep that you prefer political suicide according to your own programmed reasoning.

If Biden loses to Trump, it just means Democrats couldn't put anyone up that could win.

If Bernie was electable, he'd be winning now. He's not, he's doing worse than last time, meaning a significant amount of his support was simply anti-Hillary.

Who argues that "yeah, our team lost nearly every game this season, but we're confident we'd of won the Superbowl if we would have been allowed in the playoffs.." ? :roll:

 

[dank69]

It hardly matters what the numbers were days before the election. Clinton by that time had the nomination. Sanders for Pres was long past. Not so now.

The numbers now and the numbers during the primary of 2016 regarding who has/had a better chance to beat Trump are/were essentially meaningless. A LOT can happen between now and the election, and a LOT did happen between Clinton winning the nomination and the general election. Claiming you know exactly what would have happened in 2016 if Bernie had won the nomination is pointless.

 

[Moonbeam]

The numbers now and the numbers during the primary of 2016 regarding who has/had a better chance to beat Trump are/were essentially meaningless. A LOT can happen between now and the election, and a LOT did happen between Clinton winning the nomination and the general election. Claiming you know exactly what would have happened in 2016 if Bernie had won the nomination is pointless.

Thank you. I don't need to be told it is pointless. I am perfectly aware that it is pointless. But a funny thing happened in the last election. I saw early on that Clinton was in great danger, tried to warn here that the problem here was her message, watcher person after person make the same case, and we were completely ignored. All the conventional liberal Democrats knew that Sanders wouldn't win and Clinton would and I'll be fucked if I wasn't right. So you will excuse me for my faith in my Nostradamus abilities and my disregard for all the people who have opinions different than mine. Hard for me just to set aside the fact that all of you were wrong and I was right, those of you who thought I was nuts. You might imagine that I believe what I believe because it is what I want to believe. The operation of machines while asleep can often be fatal. The Sanders folk may just may cost the Democrats the election and there is fuck all anybody me included who can do anything about it. People are all too willing to say fuck you rather than compromise on their principles and allowing a centrist democrat to have power is no different to many than having Trump in office. I hope this doesn't happen but you can't say here on this forum at least you weren't warned. I will vote for a socialist or a centrist, knowing either title is a joke, but are you willing to do the same? If you figure that Biden will lose because he's not Sanders, you might want to think long and hard about how you vote. Democracy is dead and there is only one candidate left who really cares. Why shouldn't my principles not lead me to want to spit on all of you who disagree. A bunch of brain dead programmed fucking retards, like the morons who will vote for and support Trump. You all look the same to me. Agents.

 

[dank69]

Thank you. I don't need to be told it is pointless. I am perfectly aware that it is pointless. But a funny thing happened in the last election. I saw early on that Clinton was in great danger, tried to warn here that the problem here was her message, watcher person after person make the same case, and we were completely ignored. All the conventional liberal Democrats knew that Sanders wouldn't win and Clinton would and I'll be fucked if I wasn't right. So you will excuse me for my faith in my Nostradamus abilities and my disregard for all the people who have opinions different than mine. Hard for me just to set aside the fact that all of you were wrong and I was right, those of you who thought I was nuts. You might imagine that I believe what I believe because it is what I want to believe. The operation of machines while asleep can often be fatal. The Sanders folk may just may cost the Democrats the election and there is fuck all anybody me included who can do anything about it. People are all too willing to say fuck you rather than compromise on their principles and allowing a centrist democrat to have power is no different to many than having Trump in office. I hope this doesn't happen but you can't say here on this forum at least you weren't warned. I will vote for a socialist or a centrist, knowing either title is a joke, but are you willing to do the same? If you figure that Biden will lose because he's not Sanders, you might want to think long and hard about how you vote. Democracy is dead and there is only one candidate left who really cares. Why shouldn't my principles not lead me to want to spit on all of you who disagree. A bunch of brain dead programmed fucking retards, like the morons who will vote for and support Trump. You all look the same to me. Agents.

If there is one thing that pisses me off it's when people ask me questions I have already answered. If you aren't going to read my posts then why bother responding? At that point you're just talking past me.

 

[Moonbeam]

If there is one thing that pisses me off it's when people ask me questions I have already answered. If you aren't going to read my posts then why bother responding? At that point your just talking past me.

Sorry about that. I know you will. I sloppily used you for those pushing for Biden and will vote for him in the primaries that are pending.

 

[eelw]

Bernie Bros that refuse to vote (even though Bernie will want you to vote Biden) will get offset by the never Trumper GOP that won’t vote for a Democrat. And Gabbard won’t get any votes unlike Stein. So no real worries that Trump will get re-elected. Just hope enough Bernie Bros will at least vote on the other parts to get the senate away from Moscow Mitch.

 

[dank69]

Sorry about that. I know you will. I sloppily used you for those pushing for Biden and will vote for him in the primaries that are pending.

No worries. Regarding democracy being dead, what Bernie or Bust people fail to realize is that there are even worse things than democracy being dead. If they don't already know that then no amount of reaching out to them will help them. If I have to choose between democracy being dead and our leaders doing some bad things and some good things, or democracy being dead and our leaders exploiting the shit out of us as much as humanly possible, I'll choose the former every time, but that's just me. I can't help anyone that disagrees. They need to live through the consequences of their choices, just like we are living through the consequences of their choice not to vote for Hildabeast because taking money from Goldman Sachs for a speech is as bad as selling our country to Russians, Israelis, Saudis, etc., just like buying a gun for protection is as bad as murdering a school full of children.

 

[Moonbeam]

No worries. Regarding democracy being dead, what Bernie or Bust people fail to realize is that there are even worse things than democracy being dead. If they don't already know that then no amount of reaching out to them will help them. If I have to choose between democracy being dead and our leaders doing some bad things and some good things, or democracy being dead and our leaders exploiting this shit out of us as much as humanly possible, I'll choose the former every time, but that's just me. I can't help anyone that disagrees. They need to live through the consequences of their choices, just like we are living through the consequences of their choice not to vote for Hildabeast because taking money from Goldman Sachs for a speech is as bad as selling our country to Russians, Israelis, Saudis, etc., just like buying a gun for protection is as bad as murdering a school full of children.

To me that is just what democracy being dead looks like.

 

[dank69]

To me that is just what democracy being dead looks like.

This is quite ambiguous.