Some examples of where Sanders supporters are coming from:

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Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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What’s appealing about him is that he’s garnering more votes and delegates than any other candidate.

Just in case you guys forgot, in order to win an election you have to actually win an election. Btw, what happened to Bernie being the one candidate who could win Michigan? I guess you guys are over that narrative.

Wow, you can't even name one single thing. Incredible.

There is nothing inherently electable about this guy. Look at this shit. You'd vote for a ham sandwich if that's what the party put in front of you.

 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Bernie lost, badly.

Instead of demanding that the party listen to and understand them, perhaps Bernie folks should listen to the AAs who make up the party and why 8:1 they sent Bernie packing.

Same question to you. What's Joe Biden going to do for you? What is he promising you? What's appealing about his platform to you?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Bernie lost, badly.

Instead of demanding that the party listen to and understand them, perhaps Bernie folks should listen to the AAs who make up the party and why 8:1 they sent Bernie packing.

Again, the AA's you are talking about were Older. He wins amongst the <45 AA's.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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You are right they aren’t, they are a smaller version of the election and Bernie is losing bigly. I’m not sure how that helps your case but feel free to tell me how a candidate that can’t even win a majority of a party that supposedly prefers his policies is going to win a general election that consists of people who don’t prefer his policies,

The Loser in the Presidential Election always is the Winner in their particular Party's Primary.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Bernie lost, badly.

Instead of demanding that the party listen to and understand them, perhaps Bernie folks should listen to the AAs who make up the party and why 8:1 they sent Bernie packing.

Because they, like trump supporters, want to see it all burned down if they can’t get their way.

The stupidity that lead to the death of the republican party and gave rise to the current republican party with trump being the culmination of their purity, is the same stupidity and purity Bernie bro’s exhibit.

I thought they would be smarter than trump supporters to see what they’ve become but I guess not.
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Because they, like trump supporters, want to see it all burned down if they can’t get their way.

The stupidity that lead to the death of the republican party and gave rise to the current republican party with trump being the culmination of their purity, is the same stupidity and purity Bernie bro’s exhibit.

I thought they would be smarter than trump supporters to see what they’ve become but I guess not.
Who would have thought you lacked the intelligence to distinguish between the kind of purity that motivates many Sanders supporters and the kind of purity that attracts people to trump. But sure, both sides.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Because they, like trump supporters, want to see it all burned down if they can’t get their way.

The stupidity that lead to the death of the republican party and gave rise to the current republican party with trump being the culmination of their purity, is the same stupidity and purity Bernie bro’s exhibit.

I thought they would be smarter than trump supporters to see what they’ve become but I guess not.

I'm thoroughly convinced that a lot of it is Alt-right & Russian agent provocateurs. And why not? Bernie Bros fell for it bigtime in 2016.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Who would have thought you lacked the intelligence to distinguish between the kind of purity that motivates many Sanders supporters and the kind of purity that attracts people to trump. But sure, both sides.

The truth hurts. I guess you aren’t as enlightened as you thought.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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I'm thoroughly convinced that a lot of it is Alt-right & Russian agent provocateurs. And why not? Bernie Bros fell for it bigtime in 2016.

Same question to you. What's Joe Biden going to do for you? What is he promising you? What's appealing about his platform to you? Come on, someone's gotta answer this question.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,809
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Because they, like trump supporters, want to see it all burned down if they can’t get their way.

The stupidity that lead to the death of the republican party and gave rise to the current republican party with trump being the culmination of their purity, is the same stupidity and purity Bernie bro’s exhibit.

I thought they would be smarter than trump supporters to see what they’ve become but I guess not.

Yes, you have become the FYGM. Keep ignoring the Youth.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Yes, you have become the FYGM. Keep ignoring the Youth.

No, that’s actually what you’ve become. Only one of us has the attitude that if the democrats don’t do what you want then you will hope it all burns down.

That’s your attitude not mine.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Yes, you have become the FYGM. Keep ignoring the Youth.

The youth ignored Bernie. They didn't show up. 13% of the ages 18-29 showed up on super Tuesday. Bernie even admitted that he has failed so far to get out the big youth vote he had hoped to. Some of the problem with Bernie, is..well Bernie. It's not his ideas. He's to old and comes across angry. Many of the young are tired of old men yelling and waging their finger at them. He isn't entirely comfortable with woke identity politics. His time came and went. He has to much baggage and many of the youth tuned him out. If you want to win the election with a youthful participation, you have to present them with someone they will vote for....not someone you will vote for. The far left movement needs a younger, less brash and charismatic fresh face and voice to really draw in/attract the youth. Youth turnout in the primaries and the general were higher for Obama as I recall.

Enthusiasm doesn't necessarily translate into concrete action, and surges in the youth vote tend to be brief and taken in isolation. I've been seeing people chatter about engaging the youth vote my entire life and it never pans out the way boosters hope. Its young people's fault, but its built into the nature of the system. Young people just don't vote as much as older people because they don't have the life experience to understand that civics is important. You have to fill out some form to register. Then you drive to some building, you stand in line, you punch some buttons on a machine, and then you drive home. The most exciting part of the whole process is getting a sticker. It doesn't appeal to people who want their politics to be exciting. They want to march in the streets and go to protest rallies. Or at least to argue with people online. Then they're shocked a few months later when the candidate that people quietly voted for somehow beat the candidate they loudly demonstrated for. It's almost like the volume of the passion wasn't taken into account. Let them vote online and their numbers will soar.

Just banking on young people voting and setting your strategy accordingly is definitely Bernie's fault. Bernie cannot just count on young people to win the presidency.
 
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Moonbeam

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The truth hurts. I guess you aren’t as enlightened as you thought.
Enlightened enough not to concern much myself with any judgment you might have on the subject. After all, what kind of a mind does it take to judge people by generation.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Enlightened enough not to concern much myself with any judgment you might have on the subject. After all, what kind of a mind does it take to judge people by generation.

Exactly! Why address the points and concern raised when you can dismiss the argument entirely because the person you are conversing with says and thinks something you disagree with?!

Like I said, you aren’t as enlightened as you think but you know this already.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
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Yes, you have become the FYGM. Keep ignoring the Youth.

The Youth ignored voting, even after all the free stuff Bernie promised them.

If they want their revolution, perhaps next time they can bother to take a few minutes of their time to push a button instead of berating the rest of for not doing their work for them.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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Endless wars!
Take my money from me and give it to his rich pals!
End all the welfare programs!
War against all the drugs!
End the abortion problem!
Do more dumb things and do even more dumb things!
Return America before the civil rights movement!
Sorry, but not sorry!

Perfect candidate would vote for Jenius Biden, heard he has three degrees, graduated top of his class. He'll do push ups too, to prove it!
I feel your deep concern, but remain deeply concerned about your feels.
 
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1prophet

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You've let the Democrats sell you a terrible lie: that you should vote for bad candidates as long as the Republican version is "worse". Biden is a rotten agent for monied special interests. Democrats like him facilitate the evils of the Republican party. He told his donors that nothing will change. Listen to him. LIsten to him when he says that he would veto universal health care.
Yep, donors and kind hearted CEO's like this who get a free pass by many Democrats because he is against Trump.


‘Grotesque level of greed’: Jeff Bezos’ Whole Foods wants workers to pay colleagues’ sick leave during coronavirus
 
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Thump553

Lifer
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Wow, you can't even name one single thing. Incredible.

There is nothing inherently electable about this guy. Look at this shit. You'd vote for a ham sandwich if that's what the party put in front of you.


This statement, in a nutshell, explains why Bernie supporters offend so much of the rest of the electorate. Do you honestly think the recent groundswell for Biden was because "the party" told us to?

Fact is to a huge portion of the country Bernie is an unelectable Cassandra who has accomplished nothing in his decades in office. I said it before and will pledge it again-if Bernie is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him-but I can't imagine him getting any real active SUPPORT from the non-faithful devotees.

As a matter of reality, the next President (if a Democrat) is going to 90%+ consumed will undoing the damage Trump/McConnell have caused and will be able to do little to push their own agenda. The same trap Obama fell into after Bush.
 
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Perknose

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This statement, in a nutshell, explains why Bernie supporters offend so much of the rest of the electorate. Do you honestly think the recent groundswell for Biden was because "the party" told us to?

Fact is to a huge portion of the country Bernie is an unelectable Cassandra who has accomplished nothing in his decades in office. I said it before and will pledge it again-if Bernie is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him-but I can't imagine him getting any real active SUPPORT from the non-faithful devotees.

As a matter of reality, the next President (if a Democrat) is going to 90%+ consumed will undoing the damage Trump/McConnell have caused and will be able to do little to push their own agenda. The same trap Obama fell into after Bush.
^^^ Basically THIS!
 

Moonbeam

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Exactly! Why address the points and concern raised when you can dismiss the argument entirely because the person you are conversing with says and thinks something you disagree with?!

Like I said, you aren’t as enlightened as you think but you know this already.
Enlightened enough to recognize when somebody wants to inflict humiliation on somebody else by suggesting they don’t measure up to your own guesses as to what it is they use to flatter their ego, something that, were it true, you might just envy.

In the mean time I wish you would do me the favor of not assuming I am dodging points and concerns you have simply by dismissing them for reasons. It makes you sound terribly self important.

You strike me more as wanting a pissing match than a rational discussion. There is nothing in that for me. Enlightened, remember?
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
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This statement, in a nutshell, explains why Bernie supporters offend so much of the rest of the electorate. Do you honestly think the recent groundswell for Biden was because "the party" told us to?

Fact is to a huge portion of the country Bernie is an unelectable Cassandra who has accomplished nothing in his decades in office. I said it before and will pledge it again-if Bernie is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him-but I can't imagine him getting any real active SUPPORT from the non-faithful devotees.

As a matter of reality, the next President (if a Democrat) is going to 90%+ consumed will undoing the damage Trump/McConnell have caused and will be able to do little to push their own agenda. The same trap Obama fell into after Bush.

The News Media plays a part. Like avoiding even mentioning Bernie and/or giving increased exposure to other Candidates as if they Won debates/Pols when Bernie was indicated by the Data. Basic News narratives or Debate Questions also showed bias against Bernie and/or for certain other candidates.

However, yes, the Party itself played a role. Hillary Clinton is the clearest example of this, taking potshots at him from the sidelines, still blaming Him and his supporters for her failure. The Party also made changes to various rules partway through to allow exceptions, like Bloomberg to enter the race the way he did.
 
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