Some Bar Owners Defy Colorado Smoking Ban

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I remember reading that when the ban first started in NY, that some bar owners pulled the state run gambling machines in protest. Their thoughts were... you screw with our income, we will screw with yours. The state tried to guilt trip them that the money from the machines went for kids' and schools and etc. Ha.

Legally... I think that it should be up to individual bar owners to decide if smoking should be allowed or not.

But on a personal level, as a smoker, I agree with the ban in restaurants. I can even see the point in bar/restuarants and food chains. But theban in beer and shot joints is bullshit.

:thumbsup:

It should be up t the bar owner. Here in FL, smoking is allowed if they sell less than 10% food.

Some defy it, as tyhey have a large smoker customer base.

Mark it the bar owner's decision, and if you don't like smoke in bars, - find another bar to go to.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I'm all for the smoking ban. Thank goodness for smoking bans and common sense, or I'd be forced to work in an enclosed office building with a bunch of idiot disgusting smokers. Now I can freely go into a restaurant or bar without coming out smelling like an ashtray. I will continue to vote for smoking bans whenever they come up.

I think poker should be banned. Think of the social costs gambling has caused. I will continue to vote for gambling bans whenever they come up.

First, perhaps you should take a peek at the laws around the country -- gambling is already banned in most places in the country. Second, "banning poker" is not the same as banning smoking in certain locations. Banning poker in certain locations is like banning smoking in certain locations, and it makes perfect sense. In fact, poker is banned in certain locations (depending on the state you are in, playing poker in a bar is illegal).

I'm not for banning any activity that doesn't directly impact someone else. If you want to smoke in your home or your car, go ahead. But other people should not be forced to endure your stench and exposure to smoke if they don't want to. Smoke in places where other people are not impacted.

I don't mean public gambling. I mean all gambling. I'm talking stormtroopers at your door if they hear about a poker game between friends. Lives are ruined due to gambling, and it needs to be wiped out completely.

But hey, at least it's funny to watch you stumble in and defend your vice while attacking the vices of others. Keep it up hypocrite, they'll come for you eventually.

 

[BoomerD]

Can't believe I forgot this:

Won't SOMEONE PLEEEEEZE think about the legal drug dealers? (AKA bar owners)

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I'm all for the smoking ban. Thank goodness for smoking bans and common sense, or I'd be forced to work in an enclosed office building with a bunch of idiot disgusting smokers. Now I can freely go into a restaurant or bar without coming out smelling like an ashtray. I will continue to vote for smoking bans whenever they come up.

I think poker should be banned. Think of the social costs gambling has caused. I will continue to vote for gambling bans whenever they come up.

First, perhaps you should take a peek at the laws around the country -- gambling is already banned in most places in the country. Second, "banning poker" is not the same as banning smoking in certain locations. Banning poker in certain locations is like banning smoking in certain locations, and it makes perfect sense. In fact, poker is banned in certain locations (depending on the state you are in, playing poker in a bar is illegal).

I'm not for banning any activity that doesn't directly impact someone else. If you want to smoke in your home or your car, go ahead. But other people should not be forced to endure your stench and exposure to smoke if they don't want to. Smoke in places where other people are not impacted.

I don't mean public gambling. I mean all gambling. I'm talking stormtroopers at your door if they hear about a poker game between friends. Lives are ruined due to gambling, and it needs to be wiped out completely.

But hey, at least it's funny to watch you stumble in and defend your vice while attacking the vices of others. Keep it up hypocrite, they'll come for you eventually.

You fail at logic. You are trying to compare banning something because of some dubious link to possible harm to society with banning a certain activity because it directly interferes with other people's rights. If you can't see the difference, I can't help ya.

One could argue that smoking should be completely banned (even in private places like a home) because of the huge costs it places on the rest of society, but then you start going down the slippery slope. Let people do whatever they want in their house, I don't care if they ruin their health, but they should not force others to be exposed to their nasty habit.

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: Citrix
http://cbs4denver.com/health/local_story_064083954.html


Some Bar Owners Defy Colorado Smoking Ban
Poll: Should Colorado's smoking ban be reconsidered to help smaller bars stay open?
Contact reporter Rick Sallinger at rsallinger@cbs.com

I lived in Colorado and this law is just another way the "anti-smoking moral crowd" is inflicting loss of liberty on regular people.
To the owners and patrons of many small bars and clubs in Denver this law has been a huge financial hit below the belt. I mean look at what people go to bars to do, they consume large amounts of poison and then drive afterward it is not exactly a health club. The right wingers that thought up and voted for this idiotic law are the same ones who feel it is ok to eavesdrop on legal and private telephone conversations.

I say let em smoke and drink themselves to death who cares anyway.

and to all those fascist anti-smokers who feel inclined to act like they have a priority. I say "ah heck off". I am just sick of it.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I'm all for the smoking ban. Thank goodness for smoking bans and common sense, or I'd be forced to work in an enclosed office building with a bunch of idiot disgusting smokers. Now I can freely go into a restaurant or bar without coming out smelling like an ashtray. I will continue to vote for smoking bans whenever they come up.

I think poker should be banned. Think of the social costs gambling has caused. I will continue to vote for gambling bans whenever they come up.

First, perhaps you should take a peek at the laws around the country -- gambling is already banned in most places in the country. Second, "banning poker" is not the same as banning smoking in certain locations. Banning poker in certain locations is like banning smoking in certain locations, and it makes perfect sense. In fact, poker is banned in certain locations (depending on the state you are in, playing poker in a bar is illegal).

I'm not for banning any activity that doesn't directly impact someone else. If you want to smoke in your home or your car, go ahead. But other people should not be forced to endure your stench and exposure to smoke if they don't want to. Smoke in places where other people are not impacted.

I don't mean public gambling. I mean all gambling. I'm talking stormtroopers at your door if they hear about a poker game between friends. Lives are ruined due to gambling, and it needs to be wiped out completely.

But hey, at least it's funny to watch you stumble in and defend your vice while attacking the vices of others. Keep it up hypocrite, they'll come for you eventually.

You fail at logic. You are trying to compare banning something because of some dubious link to possible harm to society with banning a certain activity because it directly interferes with other people's rights. If you can't see the difference, I can't help ya.

One could argue that smoking should be completely banned (even in private places like a home) because of the huge costs it places on the rest of society, but then you start going down the slippery slope. Let people do whatever they want in their house, I don't care if they ruin their health, but they should not force others to be exposed to their nasty habit.

You fail at following obvious outcomes. Cities around the country are starting to attempt outright bans on smoking. It is a slippery slope, and bars were simply at the top of the hill, and the first to go.

As for a dubious link to possible harm, if gambling isn't a problem then why is there a 12 step program for addicts? Again, I think gambling needs to be banned. Think of the children.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Citrix
http://cbs4denver.com/health/local_story_064083954.html


Some Bar Owners Defy Colorado Smoking Ban
Poll: Should Colorado's smoking ban be reconsidered to help smaller bars stay open?
Contact reporter Rick Sallinger at rsallinger@cbs.com

I lived in Colorado and this law is just another way the "anti-smoking moral crowd" is inflicting loss of liberty on regular people.
To the owners and patrons of many small bars and clubs in Denver this law has been a huge financial hit below the belt. I mean look at what people go to bars to do, they consume large amounts of poison and then drive afterward it is not exactly a health club. The right wingers that thought up and voted for this idiotic law are the same ones who feel it is ok to eavesdrop on legal and private telephone conversations.

I say let em smoke and drink themselves to death who cares anyway.

and to all those fascist anti-smokers who feel inclined to act like they have a priority. I say "ah heck off". I am just sick of it.

Right wingers?

The vast majority of smoking bans have been sponsered and supported mainly by the left, not the right. Yes, some republicans have supported such laws and a few even sponsered them, but they are in the minority among their party.

Are you saying that CO's smoking ban was sponsered and voted in by right wingers?

BTW, the MSNBC article on the issue quotes one state legislative supporter -- a democrat.

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I'm all for the smoking ban. Thank goodness for smoking bans and common sense, or I'd be forced to work in an enclosed office building with a bunch of idiot disgusting smokers. Now I can freely go into a restaurant or bar without coming out smelling like an ashtray. I will continue to vote for smoking bans whenever they come up.

I think poker should be banned. Think of the social costs gambling has caused. I will continue to vote for gambling bans whenever they come up.

And on that note I feel that since driving and breathing air pollution are so dangerous they should also be banned. I will vote for any non breathing non driving laws that come up as well Hey if the majority wants it it must be the right thing huh?

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Citrix
http://cbs4denver.com/health/local_story_064083954.html


Some Bar Owners Defy Colorado Smoking Ban
Poll: Should Colorado's smoking ban be reconsidered to help smaller bars stay open?
Contact reporter Rick Sallinger at rsallinger@cbs.com

I lived in Colorado and this law is just another way the "anti-smoking moral crowd" is inflicting loss of liberty on regular people.
To the owners and patrons of many small bars and clubs in Denver this law has been a huge financial hit below the belt. I mean look at what people go to bars to do, they consume large amounts of poison and then drive afterward it is not exactly a health club. The right wingers that thought up and voted for this idiotic law are the same ones who feel it is ok to eavesdrop on legal and private telephone conversations.

I say let em smoke and drink themselves to death who cares anyway.

and to all those fascist anti-smokers who feel inclined to act like they have a priority. I say "ah heck off". I am just sick of it.

Right wingers?

The vast majority of smoking bans have been sponsered and supported mainly by the left, not the right. Yes, some republicans have supported such laws and a few even sponsered them, but they are in the minority among their party.

Are you saying that CO's smoking ban was sponsered and voted in by right wingers?

BTW, the MSNBC article on the issue quotes one state legislative supporter -- a democrat.

A majority in Colorado are right wing republicans and they are the ones who voted this law in not the dems.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Really? So business owners don't own their property?

Wow...

People who think like you scare the hell out of me. You really do.

I said it's different, I didn't say they don't own the property. I don't allow people to just walk into my house whenever they please. Do you?

You can't just walk into a bar whenever you please either. They want your business, which is why they let you in, but they reserve the right to refuse service and/or to even kick you out should you wear out your welcome. It's clearly private property.

When is the last time you got kicked out of a bar? It's NEVER happened to me and I've been in plenty of bars. How many times have you just walked into a house you've never been to before where you didn't know anyone who lived there?

A bar is a business that allows the public free access to it during business hours. Is it legally private property? Yes. Is it the same as a personal home? No fvcking way. Walk up to my door and ring the bell. If I recognize you I'll open the door, if not, I'll ignore the bell and hope you go away. If you don't go away I have a few loaded guns that might persuade you to leave. Pretty much anyone can walk into a bar anytime during business hours. It's not the same.

Actually, a friend of mine owns a bar and I help him out on the weekends by running security. I kick people out of bars all the time. The funniest ones are self righteous little pricks who feel entitled to be there, and even go so far as to call the cops on us... usually getting themselves arrested. :laugh:

I've also asked many people to leave my own businesses (sandwich shops).

A business can choose who it does business with within the civil rights laws. That means if I don't like you for any reason NOT related to race, religion, sex or national origin, I can tell you to leave and have you arrested for trespassing if you do not.

You have NO right to enter a business at will against the wishes of the owner. None. A business is not a public place or public property. It is private property.

Tell me, how many people have been banned or suspended from posting on AT? My gawd, how can that be? Have you ever been given a "vacation" here? How could that be???

Wow. Like I said, it's people who think like you that scare the hell out of me. Just because I LET you shop in my stores or drink in my bars, suddenly you feel entitled to do so against my will. Suddenly you feel entitled to force me to maintain an atmosphere you agree with, even if I choose to do something else.

BTW, before you start: I'm a non-smoker who hates the smell. I have never allowed smoking in any of my stores. That was MY CHOICE.

Actually it is PERFECTLY legal for private establishments to discriminate. Its just not smart business sense.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I'm all for the smoking ban. Thank goodness for smoking bans and common sense, or I'd be forced to work in an enclosed office building with a bunch of idiot disgusting smokers. Now I can freely go into a restaurant or bar without coming out smelling like an ashtray. I will continue to vote for smoking bans whenever they come up.

I think poker should be banned. Think of the social costs gambling has caused. I will continue to vote for gambling bans whenever they come up.

First, perhaps you should take a peek at the laws around the country -- gambling is already banned in most places in the country. Second, "banning poker" is not the same as banning smoking in certain locations. Banning poker in certain locations is like banning smoking in certain locations, and it makes perfect sense. In fact, poker is banned in certain locations (depending on the state you are in, playing poker in a bar is illegal).

I'm not for banning any activity that doesn't directly impact someone else. If you want to smoke in your home or your car, go ahead. But other people should not be forced to endure your stench and exposure to smoke if they don't want to. Smoke in places where other people are not impacted.

I don't mean public gambling. I mean all gambling. I'm talking stormtroopers at your door if they hear about a poker game between friends. Lives are ruined due to gambling, and it needs to be wiped out completely.

But hey, at least it's funny to watch you stumble in and defend your vice while attacking the vices of others. Keep it up hypocrite, they'll come for you eventually.

You fail at logic. You are trying to compare banning something because of some dubious link to possible harm to society with banning a certain activity because it directly interferes with other people's rights. If you can't see the difference, I can't help ya.

One could argue that smoking should be completely banned (even in private places like a home) because of the huge costs it places on the rest of society, but then you start going down the slippery slope. Let people do whatever they want in their house, I don't care if they ruin their health, but they should not force others to be exposed to their nasty habit.

You fail at following obvious outcomes. Cities around the country are starting to attempt outright bans on smoking. It is a slippery slope, and bars were simply at the top of the hill, and the first to go.

I see no problem banning smoking in public and quasi public properties. Private properties (like your home) should be off limits for government interference.

As for a dubious link to possible harm, if gambling isn't a problem then why is there a 12 step program for addicts? Again, I think gambling needs to be banned. Think of the children.

Who said gambling isn't a problem? It's an indirect link between a behavior and possible harm to society. Exposing others to smoke directly impacts their health and their rights. We're not talking about an indirect connection to harm to society, but rather direct harm to others. No problem banning that.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Citrix
http://cbs4denver.com/health/local_story_064083954.html


Some Bar Owners Defy Colorado Smoking Ban
Poll: Should Colorado's smoking ban be reconsidered to help smaller bars stay open?
Contact reporter Rick Sallinger at rsallinger@cbs.com

I lived in Colorado and this law is just another way the "anti-smoking moral crowd" is inflicting loss of liberty on regular people.
To the owners and patrons of many small bars and clubs in Denver this law has been a huge financial hit below the belt. I mean look at what people go to bars to do, they consume large amounts of poison and then drive afterward it is not exactly a health club. The right wingers that thought up and voted for this idiotic law are the same ones who feel it is ok to eavesdrop on legal and private telephone conversations.

I say let em smoke and drink themselves to death who cares anyway.

and to all those fascist anti-smokers who feel inclined to act like they have a priority. I say "ah heck off". I am just sick of it.

Right wingers?

The vast majority of smoking bans have been sponsered and supported mainly by the left, not the right. Yes, some republicans have supported such laws and a few even sponsered them, but they are in the minority among their party.

Are you saying that CO's smoking ban was sponsered and voted in by right wingers?

BTW, the MSNBC article on the issue quotes one state legislative supporter -- a democrat.

A majority in Colorado are right wing republicans and they are the ones who voted this law in not the dems.

Really? Do you have a roll call on the vote to prove it?

BTW, before you embarrass yourself further, CO's state legislature (both house and senate) has an overwhelming Democrat majority and the current governor is a Democrat.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

You fail at following obvious outcomes. Cities around the country are starting to attempt outright bans on smoking. It is a slippery slope, and bars were simply at the top of the hill, and the first to go.

I see no problem banning smoking in public and quasi public properties. Private properties (like your home) should be off limits for government interference.

Why should private property be off limits? You might sell your home someday to a non-smoker. The cigarette smoke residue is probably harmful.

As for a dubious link to possible harm, if gambling isn't a problem then why is there a 12 step program for addicts? Again, I think gambling needs to be banned. Think of the children.

Who said gambling isn't a problem? It's an indirect link between a behavior and possible harm to society. Exposing others to smoke directly impacts their health and their rights. We're not talking about an indirect connection to harm to society, but rather direct harm to others. No problem banning that.
[/quote]
There's no direct link between dad gambling his money away and not being able to feed his kids or take them to the doctor because he's broke? Sounds like a pretty direct link to children's health problems to me. Why do you hate children?

 

[PokerGuy]

Bober, your attempt at a strawman argument are pretty weak. You know and understand there is a difference between a direct harm to others versus a possible indirect harm.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Bober, your attempt at a strawman argument are pretty weak. You know and understand there is a difference between a direct harm to others versus a possible indirect harm.

There is no harm if you just don't go in places that allow smoking.

His argument isn't a straw man. He's advocating voting away one of your freedoms because of a harm he finds unacceptable... even though it logically doesn't have to harm him if he just stays away from it.

It doesn't matter what YOUR opinion on the issues are. In Bober's proposed case, it's YOUR bull getting gored and you're arguing against it.

See how that works?

No one bitches until the freedom lost is one they personally enjoy. You are not a smoker nor a business owner. Banning smoking at worst has no effect on you, at best caters to your selfish desires. In this case, your bull is not getting gored.

Bober is merely showing you how it feels when it IS your bull getting gored. And this makes your entire argument against him moot and rather ironic.

 

[imported_Smurf]

Ban smoking in bars? What's next? Ban alcohol?

Alcohol kills, too. If not directly, (liver?), then indirectly, (drunken dumbness).

Why ban smoking? Allow bars to keep it if they have a seperate ventilation system for smokers. At least give them an OPTION.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
WHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I want to smoke, kill myself slowly, annoy the crap out of those around me, and defy the will of the majority!!! God dammit, it's my right!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

I hate smelling like an ashtry when I come home from a bar.

Why would you smell like cheap, black plastic?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Citrix
http://cbs4denver.com/health/local_story_064083954.html

Some Bar Owners Defy Colorado Smoking Ban
Poll: Should Colorado's smoking ban be reconsidered to help smaller bars stay open?
Contact reporter Rick Sallinger at rsallinger@cbs.com

I lived in Colorado and this law is just another way the "anti-smoking moral crowd" is inflicting loss of liberty on regular people.
To the owners and patrons of many small bars and clubs in Denver this law has been a huge financial hit below the belt. I mean look at what people go to bars to do, they consume large amounts of poison and then drive afterward it is not exactly a health club. The right wingers that thought up and voted for this idiotic law are the same ones who feel it is ok to eavesdrop on legal and private telephone conversations.

I say let em smoke and drink themselves to death who cares anyway.

and to all those fascist anti-smokers who feel inclined to act like they have a priority. I say "ah heck off". I am just sick of it.

Right wingers?

The vast majority of smoking bans have been sponsered and supported mainly by the left, not the right. Yes, some republicans have supported such laws and a few even sponsered them, but they are in the minority among their party.

Are you saying that CO's smoking ban was sponsered and voted in by right wingers?

BTW, the MSNBC article on the issue quotes one state legislative supporter -- a democrat.

A majority in Colorado are right wing republicans and they are the ones who voted this law in not the dems.

Really? Do you have a roll call on the vote to prove it?

BTW, before you embarrass yourself further, CO's state legislature (both house and senate) has an overwhelming Democrat majority and the current governor is a Democrat.

Oh please, Ted Haggard, Rick Warren, Dobson ring a bell?

They own Colorado Government Dems & Repubs alike.

 

[imported_Smurf]

I'll take the local's word for it.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They own Colorado Government Dems & Repubs alike.

I haven't seen any backpedal that fast since I watched Wizard of Oz in reverse.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Bober, your attempt at a strawman argument are pretty weak. You know and understand there is a difference between a direct harm to others versus a possible indirect harm.

There is no harm if you just don't go in places that allow smoking.

His argument isn't a straw man. He's advocating voting away one of your freedoms because of a harm he finds unacceptable... even though it logically doesn't have to harm him if he just stays away from it.

It doesn't matter what YOUR opinion on the issues are. In Bober's proposed case, it's YOUR bull getting gored and you're arguing against it.

See how that works?

No one bitches until the freedom lost is one they personally enjoy. You are not a smoker nor a business owner. Banning smoking at worst has no effect on you, at best caters to your selfish desires. In this case, your bull is not getting gored.

Bober is merely showing you how it feels when it IS your bull getting gored. And this makes your entire argument against him moot and rather ironic.

It has absolutely nothing to do with my bull getting gored or any other nonsense you'd like to come up with. If you're going to compare taking away one freedom to another, you have to compare apples to apples, comparing two completely logically different situations makes no sense. Setting up a bogus comparison just to refute it and pretend to have refuted the actual argument = straw man. Nice try.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Bober, your attempt at a strawman argument are pretty weak. You know and understand there is a difference between a direct harm to others versus a possible indirect harm.

There is no harm if you just don't go in places that allow smoking.

His argument isn't a straw man. He's advocating voting away one of your freedoms because of a harm he finds unacceptable... even though it logically doesn't have to harm him if he just stays away from it.

It doesn't matter what YOUR opinion on the issues are. In Bober's proposed case, it's YOUR bull getting gored and you're arguing against it.

See how that works?

No one bitches until the freedom lost is one they personally enjoy. You are not a smoker nor a business owner. Banning smoking at worst has no effect on you, at best caters to your selfish desires. In this case, your bull is not getting gored.

Bober is merely showing you how it feels when it IS your bull getting gored. And this makes your entire argument against him moot and rather ironic.

It has absolutely nothing to do with my bull getting gored or any other nonsense you'd like to come up with. If you're going to compare taking away one freedom to another, you have to compare apples to apples, comparing two completely logically different situations makes no sense. Setting up a bogus comparison just to refute it and pretend to have refuted the actual argument = straw man. Nice try.

Nice. You keep thinking that way. Hell, keep thinking that way when they come for your freedoms.

Bober just chose your obvious passion to use as an example. If you can't see that, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh please, Ted Haggard, Rick Warren, Dobson ring a bell?

They own Colorado Government Dems & Repubs alike.

Dave, just stop. Smoking bans are overwhelmingly sponsered and supported by leftists. That's why the first broad smoking bans were in CA and NY.

Care to tell us again how "neocons" are "Marxists" and how they were removing crosses again, Dave? LOL

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Amused

Dave, just stop. Smoking bans are overwhelmingly sponsered and supported by leftists. That's why the first broad smoking bans were in CA and NY.

So, leftists care about healthy life for all while righties only care about the almighty dollar at the expense of life.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Amused

Dave, just stop. Smoking bans are overwhelmingly sponsered and supported by leftists. That's why the first broad smoking bans were in CA and NY.

So, leftists care about healthy life for all while righties only care about the almighty dollar at the expense of life.

No, leftists care about making people healthy against their will. Some conservatives and all libertarians believe in promoting good health, but in the end letting people decide for themselves.

Losing your personal freedom and property rights, even if "for your own good" is still a loss of freedom and rights, Dave.

And nice dodge there, Dave. Change your position and argument mid debate because you made a damn fool of yourself yet again.