Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Vic
Amendment V:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.
edit: and let's forget that the Constitution enumerates powers to the federal government, not grants rights to the people (as rights are inherent under liberal philosophy, not granted, as it is the people who are sovereign, not the government).
Amendment IX: Rights retained by the people
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X: Powers retained by the states and the people
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Hah... there are lists of things that I can't do or must legally do while in the comfort of my own home, and that's a world of difference from creating rules that places where the public is freely invited in to must adhere to.
Is it reasonable to say that we should abolish fire codes, for instance, since the government shouldn't be allowed to tell us what to do on our own property?
Is it reasonable to say that warrants should no longer be a legal means of entering or searching someone's property without their permission? It's MY private property, and according to you, the government should have NO right to tell me what can go on there.
Should it be legal to require building permits for all more-than-minor renovations to residence? Why should I be required to get the government's permission to change MY house so long as it's on MY property?
Should I be allowed to play with firearms freely on my property so long as a single bullet doesn't go outside of my property? We have the right to bear arms, don't we?
See, now you're being completely ignorant and making asinine comparisons.
Fire codes exist to protect neighboring proprty owners. When your property endangers another property, you are infringing on the rights of that property owner. Countless city destroying fires made this necessary.
Same for building permits.
Meanwhile, look up the Forth Amendment for your absurd search comparison.
As for the guns. Yes. It's called an indoor firing range in urban areas, and a protected range in rural areas.
Far from absurd. You using insults like that is just your little defense mechanism to dodge the point here and try and impress yourself.
All of those points I brought up are instances where it is perfectly acceptable for the government to intervene and regulate what you can do and funny enough, they either relate to a person's well-being or the necessity of the government to regulate private property for the better good of people other than the property owner.
If you think you can just randomly discharge a firearm... then walk outside and just start shooting away and see what happens.
"When your property endangers another property, you are infringing on the rights of that property owner. " ...So you're still of the belief that cigarette smoke causes no harm to people? Is my body not considered my property?
Bottom line is that WE THE PEOPLE voted for a smoking ban, and I, personally don't give a crap what rights I gave up by banning smoking because I don't smoke.
Sucks for you. I don't care. I won't care. And none of your slippery-slope BS trying to convince us that we're borderline fascist for allowing the government to regulate this is going to convince me otherwise. I believe that cigarettes are a burden to society and I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like a ban that was voted on in a state you don't live in. I love that I can walk to my favorite bar, have a few drinks and walk out without smelling like crap, breathing in a bunch of putrid ****** and laugh at all the stupid f'ers that have to stand outside to smoke because they can't go an hour or two without that wretched stuff violating their bodies with a mixture of tar and nicotine. I don't care if you think smoking is your right as a citizen, it's my right, expectation and privledge to have clean air and breathe fresh air in every second I'm alive and it's a damn shame to me that some of you think that if I don't like the smoke, I should just deal with it or go somewhere else. NOW things are fair. Nothing is stopping everyone from joining together and having a good time.
The people that support the ban are getting my money, and apparently getting more money than the people that aren't.
Property owners can kiss my ass. The ban has been here for 6 months and if you think that people just aren't going to go out anymore you're off your rocker. I haven't seen one damn difference in the night crowds with the exception of the afformentioned "The supporters are busier". Roll that data up and smoke it... but not inside.
Don't like my opinion? Tough ******. You get your own f'ing vote. Don't like the smoking ban? Fine. Don't come to my state. Obviously less people agree with you than me. It's always going to be majority rules because everyone can't win, you might as well benefit the large group than the small group. We've all been burned by it and we've all benefited. I didn't want minimum wage to raise nearly $1.50 because it de-values too many people to raise it that much that fast. Guess what? It'll probably put some restaurants out of business. Deal with it. That's how America works. That's how LIFE works. You adapt or you fail. Better luck on your ballot choices next time.
edit: Consider the bold parts my response to any and all replies on the matter anymore.
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