Some additional information about the Las Vegas shooter

[J.Wilkins]

We don't, but I'm just going off what I see. The room where he died, the room where they photographed, has a lot of weapons in it, along with magazines, etc... so I would assume I would see a lot more bullet casings than what's shown. Maybe he just shot a lot from the other window, ran back and forth to get his magazines, then got tired and shot out of the window where he died and pictured. See? I don't know these things, that's why I ask questions. But of course you know and have all the answers, because you've seen the pictures of the entire suite, that's why you're so sure.

Yeah, I know, you don't have a fucking clue what so ever on any of this but you are just "asking questions". Meanwhile others DO have access to all the evidence and are conducting an investigation as we speak.

Maybe we'll find out when they are done?

Also, just a few posts up I replied to you with this "I'm sorry but I don't believe anything other than what can be evidenced, that is my nature and me discounting bullshit artists does not mean that I alone sit with the truth."

Now you read that but clearly you couldn't comprehend a word of that statement.

If I were you I'd dial back the drugs a bit.

 

[SSSnail]

Yeah, I know, you don't have a fucking clue what so ever on any of this but you are just "asking questions". Meanwhile others DO have access to all the evidence and are conducting an investigation as we speak.

Maybe we'll find out when they are done?

Also, just a few posts up I replied to you with this "I'm sorry but I don't believe anything other than what can be evidenced, that is my nature and me discounting bullshit artists does not mean that I alone sit with the truth."

Now you read that but clearly you couldn't comprehend a word of that statement.

If I were you I'd dial back the drugs a bit.

So, you don't have a fucking clue either? Thanks for playing.

 

[WelshBloke]

So, you don't have a fucking clue either? Thanks for playing.

He's not the one doing the investigation or questioning the guys doing the investigation though. You're the one with the wacky theories.

 

[J.Wilkins]

So, you don't have a fucking clue either? Thanks for playing.

I DO have a fucking clue, the evidence presented does point to one perpetrator using a bump stock on several automatic weapons of the calibre 5.56 NATO with 60 round magazines that fired out of two windows.

That is what the evidence points to but would I say that I'm certain that that is the case? Of course not, however I'm not a retard on the internet proclaiming to be a forensic analyst when I'm actually just trying to peddle poisonous product to unsuspecting consumers but they guy you are listening to IS. He makes his entire living off of people like you, paranoid delusional people that want to believe in the bullshit he peddles.

I put FAR more trust in the ACTUAL forensic analysts, the experts and the people who have access to ALL data than some nitwit who has been peddling conspiracy theories for a decade.

That is why I told you to go look up Occams razor and apply it. The simplest explanation is usually the truth.

 

[SSSnail]

You're putting way too much trust into the same people that couldn't get a timeline straight with trivial queries. Even when he checked in was in question a few times. Or when the security guard got shot. That's my evidence for 1. Believing that they're incompetent. 2. Believing that they can miss things in their analysis due to incompetencies, unless they're not telling us everything, which is possible, hence the questions.

 

[J.Wilkins]

You're putting way too much trust into the same people that couldn't get a timeline straight with trivial queries. Even when he checked in was in question a few times. Or when the security guard got shot. That's my evidence for 1. Believing that they're incompetence. 2. Believing that they can miss things in their analysis due to imcompetencies, unless they're not telling us everything, which is possible, hence the questions.

Oh, I didn't realize they were done with their complete analysis yet and have it presented? Where did you get it from? Let me guess, some nitwit on the internet told you that they got it wrong?

Just stop.

 

[SSSnail]

He's not the one doing the investigation or questioning the guys doing the investigation though. You're the one with the wacky theories.

But he's the one that's telling me EVERYTHING that's told is truth, even though that truth has been edited/redacted a few times.

 

[SSSnail]

Oh, I didn't realize they were done with their complete analysis yet and have it presented? Where did you get it from? Let me guess, some nitwit on the internet told you that they got it wrong?

Just stop.

Look, we ALL know they're not done, that's why some of us are questioning the current situations based on incomplete information. The final answers may be the answers to some of the questions that are being asked. It may also be exactly what they told us all along. YOU and others are taking everything you hear/read as the FINALIZED results are the idiots here, because you're so SURE of the simple explanation.

If you don't have all the answers, or the final reports, HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE? Stop using simple philosophical theory to mask your idiocy. Ockham would be rolling in his grave.

 

[Jhhnn]

We don't, but I'm just going off what I see. The room where he died, the room where they photographed, has a lot of weapons in it, along with magazines, etc... so I would assume I would see a lot more bullet casings than what's shown. Maybe he just shot a lot from the other window, ran back and forth to get his magazines, then got tired and shot out of the window where he died and pictured. See? I don't know these things, that's why I ask questions. But of course you know and have all the answers, because you've seen the pictures of the entire suite, that's why you're so sure.

Don't be coy. The reasons for your questions are to establish conspiracy theory & spread the FUD about the Las Vegas Police & the FBI.

 

[WelshBloke]

But he's the one that's telling me EVERYTHING that's told is truth, even though that truth has been edited/redacted a few times.

Lol. Really mate?

 

[J.Wilkins]

But he's the one that's telling me EVERYTHING that's told is truth, even though that truth has been edited/redacted a few times.

I literally did the exact opposite of that and repeated it since you apparently didn't understand it the first time.

Yet you still don't get it... I don't know how to fix that.

 

[SSSnail]

Don't be coy. The reasons for your questions are to establish conspiracy theory & spread the FUD about the Las Vegas Police & the FBI.

Sure, let's put a label on it and demonize it.

Because, you know, antifa are actually anti fascist. Anyone who's for free speech is a racist white supremacist, and so on...

But, more importantly, do you have any answers for my questions?

 

[J.Wilkins]

Look, we ALL know they're not done, that's why some of us are questioning the current situations based on incomplete information. The final answers may be the answers to some of the questions that are being asked. It may also be exactly what they told us all along. YOU and others are taking everything you hear/read as the FINALIZED results are the idiots here, because you're so SURE of the simple explanation.

If you don't have all the answers, or the final reports, HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE? Stop using simple philosophical theory to mask your idiocy. Ockham would be rolling in his grave.

Actually Occam is the name and his conclusion isn't a theory but a truism.

I'll wait for the results before I make any judgement what so ever, you on the other hand have sprung into action by believing a known conspiracy peddler that sells poison to unsuspecting consumers and proclaiming his directed propaganda to be valid forensic evidence by a forensic analyst.

You simply want to believe, this is no different than having a conversation with a young earth creationist.

Also, if you could tell me what it is I'm supposedly SO SURE of then that would be great because I honestly don't know.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Sure, let's put a label on it and demonize it.

Because, you know, antifa are actually anti fascist. Anyone who's for free speech is a racist white supremacist, and so on...

But, more importantly, do you have any answers for my questions?

Why are you asking random people on the internet for answers that NO ONE in your videos or any one of us have access to?

None of us here have all the data, there are people who do and they have not finished their investigation yet. Let them finish it, let the evidence as is be presented and the conclusion drawn before you start listening to random whack jobs on the internet that only want to sell you their poisonous products.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure, let's put a label on it and demonize it.

Because, you know, antifa are actually anti fascist. Anyone who's for free speech is a racist white supremacist, and so on...

But, more importantly, do you have any answers for my questions?

I'll leave that to people charged with the investigation, not back stabbing internet twits.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I don’t see any problem with questioning the government’s narrative of things, especially when it’s been as confusing and all over the place as the LV shooting.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I don’t see any problem with questioning the government’s narrative of things, especially when it’s been as confusing and all over the place as the LV shooting.

Exactly, and those threatening the victims because of these fucking morons playing pretend that they are forensic analysts is just great too...

I mean, the guy from natural news that didn't finish high school is obviously and excellent forensic analyst that resounds with people buying his poisonous products and a few victims along the way that have to go into hiding because of it is just fine...

If this was actually done after they are done and if it wasn't just a con job by some retard on the internet that doesn't understand the first thing on the subject I might be inclined to agree with you but in this instance it's nothing but a fucking paranoid delusional feeding other paranoid delusional until one of them takes their gun and does something about it and then the fucking comment changes to "nothing could have prevented this".

This isn't rational discussion based on actual evidence, it's whack jobs trying to sell bullshit and nothing else.

 

[SSSnail]

Actually Occam is the name and his conclusion isn't a theory but a truism.

I'll wait for the results before I make any judgement what so ever, you on the other hand have sprung into action by believing a known conspiracy peddler that sells poison to unsuspecting consumers and proclaiming his directed propaganda to be valid forensic evidence by a forensic analyst.

You simply want to believe, this is no different than having a conversation with a young earth creationist.

Also, if you could tell me what it is I'm supposedly SO SURE of then that would be great because I honestly don't know.

William of Ockham (1287–1347), if you actually take a step back from that mirror and see things other than yourself, you may learn a thing or two. I'm not holding my breath for that.

"In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic guide in the development of theoretical models, rather than as a rigorous arbiter between candidate models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion." - It's not a truism, you turd.

 

[Thebobo]

I don’t see any problem with questioning the government’s narrative of things, especially when it’s been as confusing and all over the place as the LV shooting.

Yar I don't see what's the big deal if someone wants to pontificate a different narrative on what happened, where just talking here. Seems some folks are taking it to damn personally. After all that's what the thread is for no? If you don't want folks talking about it make your own damn thread like; The don't post opinions about the Las Vegas shooter thread.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t see any problem with questioning the government’s narrative of things, especially when it’s been as confusing and all over the place as the LV shooting.

I'l simply reserve judgement. "Questioning" implies that the person doing it somehow has a perspective greater than the investigators. You know, seeing it from YouTube videos 1000 miles away obviously provides greater insight than what trained professionals would have on the scene...

It's all the standard "what are they hiding?" segue into conspiracy theory.

 

[J.Wilkins]

William of Ockham (1287–1347), if you actually take a step back from that mirror and see things other than yourself, you may learn a thing or two. I'm not holding my breath for that.

You are correct, his name was indeed Ockham but that doesn't change the fact that it's a truism, not a theory. I have absolutely no problem admitting when I'm wrong.

The truth is that I've never read up on the history of the man, I've just used his truism in my work. I suspect that is very true for a great deal of senior scientists.

I note that you ignore everything that doesn't fit your pre-concieved view of me and insist on it being true even though I've repeatedly said that it's not. This is par for the course for CT's and creationists, they really don't care about truth, they have their truth and anything that supports it is absolute truth while anything that doesn't is dismissed as misinformation.

It's a self fulfilling wish to have your pre conceived truths confirmed but a fruitless endeavour, all you'll end up with is bullshit that you believe to be true no matter what.

Go with the actual evidence, not someone's false interpretations, listen to actual experts whether they agree with your ideas or not and you will come as close to the truth as possible.

Not everyone has the ability or the knowledge to evaluate evidence, there are two people on this very forum who do and you have dismissed them in favour of a guy who didn't finish high school and has no expertise in the area what so ever.

Quite honestly, that makes you a crazy person.

 

[pmv]

I don’t see any problem with questioning the government’s narrative of things, especially when it’s been as confusing and all over the place as the LV shooting.

Depends when and how the questioning occurs. A Gish gallop of evidence-free amateur questioning on a public forum when the investigation is nowhere near complete just shouts of an agenda unrelated to rational enquiry.

Also, why are these conspiracy types so keen on presenting their 'arguments' via videos? I probably couldn't be arsed to click on any of the links even if they were text-based, but, I think, in an idle moment, I might read such a thing. Whereas I really have little patience for watching video on-line (often have the same problem when googling for help with a tech question - just tell me the facts concisely in written words - I'm not spending unnecessary time watching your unnecessary video so you can show off your alleged "personality" and build some YouTube career).

Maybe the use of videos is nothing significant and just a coincidence in this case, but I wonder if there's something in the video format that appeals to those who want to 'sell' something that lacks solid data behind it?

 

[SSSnail]

You are correct, his name was indeed Ockham but that doesn't change the fact that it's a truism, not a theory. I have absolutely no problem admitting when I'm wrong.

The truth is that I've never read up on the history of the man, I've just used his truism in my work. I suspect that is very true for a great deal of senior scientists.

"In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic guide in the development of theoretical models, rather than as a rigorous arbiter between candidate models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion."

"tru·ism
ˈtro͞oˌizəm/
noun

1. a statement that is obviously true and says nothing new or interesting."

It's not a truism, you turd.

So this just showed that you often speak out of your anus cavity.

 

[pmv]

You are correct, his name was indeed Ockham but that doesn't change the fact that it's a truism, not a theory. I have absolutely no problem admitting when I'm wrong.

The truth is that I've never read up on the history of the man, I've just used his truism in my work. I suspect that is very true for a great deal of senior scientists.

The chap came from Okham in Surrey, apparently. A few miles different and we'd all be talking about Woking's razor.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I'l simply reserve judgement. "Questioning" implies that the person doing it somehow has a perspective greater than the investigators. You know, seeing it from YouTube videos 1000 miles away obviously provides greater insight than what trained professionals would have on the scene...

It's all the standard "what are they hiding?" segue into conspiracy theory.

Nah "questioning" just implies a distrust of the narrative being presented and a desire to know the truth. Nothing unhealthy about that, especially when it’s the governed questioning the government. Are lots of the theories bogus? Sure, but so what.