Some additional information about the Las Vegas shooter

[Thebobo]

Depends when and how the questioning occurs. A Gish gallop of evidence-free amateur questioning on a public forum when the investigation is nowhere near complete just shouts of an agenda unrelated to rational enquiry.

Also, why are these conspiracy types so keen on presenting their 'arguments' via videos?

Well thank god these forums are here to have fun share ideas and chat with each other and that there are no agenda police. Also if someone has an idea, conspiracy or not isn't youtube a great place to get your message out?

 

[SSSnail]

Depends when and how the questioning occurs. A Gish gallop of evidence-free amateur questioning on a public forum when the investigation is nowhere near complete just shouts of an agenda unrelated to rational enquiry.

Also, why are these conspiracy types so keen on presenting their 'arguments' via videos? I probably couldn't be arsed to click on any of the links even if they were text-based, but, I think, in an idle moment, I might read such a thing. Whereas I really have little patience for watching video on-line (often have the same problem when googling for help with a tech question - just tell me the facts concisely in written words - I'm not spending unnecessary time watching your unnecessary video so you can show off your alleged "personality" and build some YouTube career).

Maybe the use of videos is nothing significant and just a coincidence in this case, but I wonder if there's something in the video format that appeals to those who want to 'sell' something that lacks solid data behind it?

Because in videos, you can present both your talking points, and the multimedia references you may be making, which would be impossible in text form. It could also be because it's easier to share on a very popular platform? I mean, an idiot like me could come to that conclusion.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Well thank god these forums are here to have fun share ideas and chat with each other and that there are no agenda police.

On AT?

 

[brycejones]

Are we sure it wasn’t Hillary?

 

[pmv]

Well thank god these forums are here to have fun share ideas and chat with each other and that there are no agenda police. Also if someone has an idea, conspiracy or not isn't youtube a great place to get your message out?

As I say, my suspicion is that youtube is a particularly good place if your message lacks sufficient substance to convince many in text form (or, I suppose, if it's aimed at people who don't read much). Not married to that theory, mind, just 'asking questions'.

 

[SSSnail]

As I say, my suspicion is that youtube is a particularly good place if your message lacks sufficient substance to convince many in text form (or, I suppose, if it's aimed at people who don't read much). Not married to that theory, mind, just 'asking questions'.

Just in case you didn't get your answer the first time.

Because in videos, you can present both your talking points, and the multimedia references you may be making, which would be impossible in text form. It could also be because it's easier to share on a very popular platform? I mean, an idiot like me could come to that conclusion.

 

[J.Wilkins]

As I say, my suspicion is that youtube is a particularly good place if your message lacks sufficient substance to convince many in text form (or, I suppose, if it's aimed at people who don't read much). Not married to that theory, mind, just 'asking questions'.

Which is why you can find videos to support pretty much anything on youtube.

The only difference here is that they guy is selling supplements that are tied into the CT stuff, some of them poisonous like collodial silver and all of them useless. Natrual news is nothing but the natural progression of the snake oil salesmen of old times.

This guy has no education in any field of any sort but plays pretend to be a forensic analyst and some people just believe that he is and hey, he's just asking questions... To quote the late George Carlin... BULLSHIT! He's making truth claims as if he had evidence to support his convictions and yet he has NONE and is not qualified to analyse the consistency of his cats farts.

 

[pmv]

Just in case you didn't get your answer the first time.

Yeah, I did, I just don't find it a convincing answer. Who would one be trying to share with on such a platform? The already ready-to-believe. Text lends itself better to discussion. Anyway, this is a side-issue, just curious why you posted only links to videos, on a forum devoted to written exchanges.

 

[J.Wilkins]

The chap came from Okham in Surrey, apparently. A few miles different and we'd all be talking about Woking's razor.

The things you learn... decades after applying the principles...

 

[SSSnail]

Yeah, I did, I just don't find it a convincing answer. Who would one be trying to share with on such a platform? The already ready-to-believe. Text lends itself better to discussion. Anyway, this is a side-issue, just curious why you posted only links to videos, on a forum devoted to written exchanges.

Oh, you mean like the discussion in text form on this forum?

As to why? Because the videos theorized a few points where if you bothered to watch at least one of them, makes sense, which then lend itself to the text discussion that you are participating in. See how that works?

 

[SSSnail]

The things you learn... decades after applying the principles...

Then I'm sure you might have also seen or heard of this "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth". We haven't eliminated all impossibilities, yet.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Yeah, I did, I just don't find it a convincing answer. Who would one be trying to share with on such a platform? The already ready-to-believe. Text lends itself better to discussion. Anyway, this is a side-issue, just curious why you posted only links to videos, on a forum devoted to written exchanges.

Text vs video seems like such a bizarre thing to argue. What about still images, are they ok just so long as they aren’t moving?

 

[J.Wilkins]

Then I'm sure you might have also seen or heard of this "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth". We haven't eliminated all impossibilities, yet.

Doyle, isn't it?

I don't think it refers to retarded naturalnews conspiracy theorists playing pretend that they are forensic analysts and their fans though.

What I've said, and continue to say is that I'll await the investigation by the actual experts, what you have continously and falsly stated is that I've proclaimed to know "the truth".

Now if you go ahead and apologize for misrepresenting me that's fine, everyone can make mistakes but if you keep going with this I'm just going to keep pointing out that you actually took the words from a guy who didn't graduate high school as absolute truth and you did. You did not ask questions, you acted as if it was absolute truth that disputes the story from the investigators.

But in the end, you make the choice of where you want to go from here...

 

[J.Wilkins]

Text vs video seems like such a bizarre thing to argue. What about still images, are they ok just so long as they aren’t moving?

Are you Orooorooos long lost brother?

 

[pmv]

Are we sure it wasn’t Hillary?

She'd have missed and ended up with a wound to the foot.

Text vs video seems like such a bizarre thing to argue. What about still images, are they ok just so long as they aren’t moving?

Not arguing, just 'asking questions'. Besides, there's not much of substance to argue about here.

 

[pmv]

Then I'm sure you might have also seen or heard of this "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth". We haven't eliminated all impossibilities, yet.

Yeah, Sherlock Holmes. Not one of his stronger points, it's specifically been 'called out' for that. It's generally impossible to 'eliminate' every conceivable alternative theory. Fascinating fellows though, both Holmes and his creator. Full of radical contradictions, that I suppose embodied those of their era.

Hard not to warm to that late 19th-century faith in rational enquiry and scientific explanations as a cure for life's evils, compared to, say, the tedious fatalistic theological ramblings of Tolstoy and his ilk. That might just be me being a philistine with no feeling for literature or religion though. But when I waded through The Brothers Karamazov I was really wishing Holmes and Watson would have arrived on the train from Moscow, and quickly solved the murder through the application of science (examining the candlestick would probably have been sufficient), thus short-circuiting the whole gloomy and self-destructive storyline. Before jumping back on the train again (while zonked out on opium for the ride home) leaving the Russians to stand around wondering what to do for the next several hundred pages.

I'm going off on tangents because this thread is a bit pointless.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Yeah, Sherlock Holmes. Not one of his stronger points, it's specifically been 'called out' for that. It's generally impossible to 'eliminate' every conceivable alternative theory. Fascinating fellows though, both Holmes and his creator. Full of radical contradictions, that I suppose embodied those of their era.

Hard not to warm to that late 19th-century faith in rational enquiry and scientific explanations as a cure for life's evils, compared to, say, the tedious fatalistic theological ramblings of Tolstoy and his ilk. That might just be me being a philistine with no feeling for literature or religion though. But when I waded through The Brothers Karamazov I was really wishing Holmes and Watson would have arrived on the train from Moscow, and quickly solved the murder through the application of science (examining the candlestick would probably have been sufficient), thus short-circuiting the whole gloomy and self-destructive storyline. Before jumping back on the train again (while zonked out on opium for the ride home) leaving the Russians to stand around wondering what to do for the next several hundred pages.

I'm going off on tangents because this thread is a bit pointless.

And a tip of the hat to you my good sir..

 

[Thebobo]

I'm going off on tangents because this thread is a bit pointless.

yet you continue to post here?

 

[J.Wilkins]

yet you continue to post here?

Is he allowed?

 

[Jhhnn]

Because in videos, you can present both your talking points, and the multimedia references you may be making, which would be impossible in text form. It could also be because it's easier to share on a very popular platform? I mean, an idiot like me could come to that conclusion.

Multimedia references are easy in text form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTHNBKjMBU

 

[darkswordsman17]

Its good to see SSSnail hasn't lost any of his morose "discussion" ability.

Nah "questioning" just implies a distrust of the narrative being presented and a desire to know the truth. Nothing unhealthy about that, especially when it’s the governed questioning the government. Are lots of the theories bogus? Sure, but so what.

Except when you start off by trying to pretend to be an "expert" when you're not. Anyone with any sort of ability to use rational thought can see through this bullshit.

This isn't questioning, this is unhinging your brain to spew whatever you want to believe and try to prop it up under the guise of science, only it just shows how bastardized the people pushing this shit are in their approach to science.

 

[JSt0rm]

I’m come back to 50 messages and sssnail still doesn’t understand. He’s in the “I want to believe crowd”. No time for these idiots.

 

[darkswordsman17]

yes. I looked a bit further and this guy...

thinks that the snaps he is hearing are rifles shots. They aren not. They are bullets hitting the ground around people. the muffled low end are the shots. He thinks its 2 guns. The internet will be our downfall.

Maybe they are sonic snaps but they dont really sound like that to me.

I'm curious how much of the audio analysis is taking into account that he was shooting into a concert, where there are mics and speakers that will pick up sound and pipe it out in other directions (and will be slightly delayed and also sound slightly different).

 

[Victorian Gray]

Can't help but wonder how many of those 'experts' and their videos might be Russian. Seems like the kind of shit they'd be involved with particularly regarding the anti FBI slant.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I’m come back to 50 messages and sssnail still doesn’t understand. He’s in the “I want to believe crowd”. No time for these idiots.

No one will blame you for that apart from the weird kid.