Some additional information about the Las Vegas shooter

[UglyCasanova]

Arms dealer

 

[JSt0rm]

And that was explained, where there are differences in bullets hitting, and gunshot sounds. I can buy the explanation of the different cadence and cyclic rates were due to different weapons used because he did have different weapons with him, though he'd have to be picking up the other weapon as he's firing another. He probably dual wielded at some point too... I'm just trying to nail down the distance.

@JSt0rm, here's a recording from the taxi cab, can you make something out of the sounds from the first few minutes of this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O_3RQlKJb0

In his video, here's the clip where he's getting his analysis from https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI?t=427, I'm not sure which part of which video it's from. Even if you account for different grains used, they wouldn't be able to make up that distance. And I would doubt he bought bullets of different grains and loaded them in the same magazine.

Thanks.

regarding the taxi cab? didnt he shoot out of 2 windows? Also sounds a bit like interior shots. Maybe he was shooting at his door here.

As for your second video for him to make any accurate claim as to why he isnt hearing any of the bullet impacts on the last few shots he would need to time align all the recordings and then listen. You may not hear bullet slaps if you arent close enough. He is making a lot of assumptions. 1 being that those last rounds were even pointed down. and second that he wasn't aiming across the field quickly. Or horrifically those bullets landed in meat flesh bone and water. I bet if you wanted to go back and count all the bullet impacts vs gunshots you would be missing some.

 

[SSSnail]

regarding the taxi cab? didnt he shoot out of 2 windows? Also sounds a bit like interior shots. Maybe he was shooting at his door here.

As for your second video for him to make any accurate claim as to why he isnt hearing any of the bullet impacts on the last few shots he would need to time align all the recordings and then listen. You may not hear bullet slaps if you arent close enough. He is making a lot of assumptions. 1 being that those last rounds were even pointed down. and second that he wasn't aiming across the field quickly. Or horrifically those bullets landed in meat flesh bone and water. I bet if you wanted to go back and count all the bullet impacts vs gunshots you would be missing some.

He did shoot out of two windows, but I also looked at the position of where the taxi was in relation to the windows, I didn't think the shots could have been that muted, I'm no sound expert. I don't think he was shooting at his door either, because he was shooting at the door before he started shooting at the crowd. Well, that's what the authorities have finally confirmed anyways.

Actually, I think the clip in the video he analyzed has all the shots he's referring to. I think you can hear at least 8-10 bullet impacts follow by the same count for gunshot sounds. Again, I'm no audio engineer or expert or anything, just a guy with suspect hearing and a set of headphones. Surely someone with audio engineering background or some experts on this forum can do better. Oh, and you do know you would hear the bullet impacts BEFORE you can hear the gunshot sounds, right?

Edit: And another thing, I haven't seen ANY official reports of thousands of shell casing collected from the scene of the crime. Not one. Someone here mentioned it, may that fake English guy, perhaps he has seen that report. The earliest reports from MSM were "Dozens of shell casings on the floor".

 

[pmv]

I can't help but think the "can't accept the horrific reality" and "privileged knowledge" factors both come up often, and that the two are frequently intertwined. You want to believe that you're one of the few to have deciphered this event not just because it makes you feel special, but because going with the commonly-held view would make accepting that terrible things happen without good reasons behind them.

And my "fantastical" reference was, to some degree, a reference toward what you're suggesting: it's easier to believe there are powerful, almost mystical people and forces driving events not just because they help people make artificial sense of the nonsensical, but because of what accepting the truth would mean. It'd be an admission that your life probably doesn't matter much beyond the people in your social circle, and that this isn't some Lord of the Rings-style narrative where you're the ordinary hobbit who steps up to save the world.

I don't quite know why I don't like the "can't accept the horrific reality" explanation (and it's a pretty odd thing to argue about), but I don't find it convincing, and it does come up a lot. I suppose it could be because I'm almost as dubious about the "it's all just a series of random tragedies" (non-) explanation as I am of conspiracy theories.

I don't have a problem with the idea of 'forces' driving events, just with the idea of them being due to conscious actions by individuals following some sort of movie thriller script. But 'forces', in the shape of social and economic factors, will make certain events more or less probable, it seems to me.

 

[J.Wilkins]

He did shoot out of two windows, but I also looked at the position of where the taxi was in relation to the windows, I didn't think the shots could have been that muted, I'm no sound expert. I don't think he was shooting at his door either, because he was shooting at the door before he started shooting at the crowd. Well, that's what the authorities have finally confirmed anyways.

Actually, I think the clip in the video he analyzed has all the shots he's referring to. I think you can hear at least 8-10 bullet impacts follow by the same count for gunshot sounds. Again, I'm no audio engineer or expert or anything, just a guy with suspect hearing and a set of headphones. Surely someone with audio engineering background or some experts on this forum can do better.

Edit: And another thing, I haven't seen ANY official reports of thousands of shell casing collected from the scene of the crime. Not one. Someone here mentioned it, may that fake English guy, perhaps he has seen that report. The earliest reports from MSM were "Dozens of shell casings on the floor".

Yeah, here you are "just asking questions" without any access to anything that the actual forensic analysts DO have access to and yet you think you know better than them...

But you're just "asking questions".

You know the dark side of this "asking questions" bullshit? People are actively threatening the victims over it.

But you don't care, you are just "asking questions".

Of course I'm a fake Englishman too, everything, everywhere is absolutely fake and I'm really a Jewish reptilian...

Lordy...

 

[JSt0rm]

He did shoot out of two windows, but I also looked at the position of where the taxi was in relation to the windows, I didn't think the shots could have been that muted, I'm no sound expert. I don't think he was shooting at his door either, because he was shooting at the door before he started shooting at the crowd. Well, that's what the authorities have finally confirmed anyways.

Actually, I think the clip in the video he analyzed has all the shots he's referring to. I think you can hear at least 8-10 bullet impacts follow by the same count for gunshot sounds. Again, I'm no audio engineer or expert or anything, just a guy with suspect hearing and a set of headphones. Surely someone with audio engineering background or some experts on this forum can do better.

Edit: And another thing, I haven't seen ANY official reports of thousands of shell casing collected from the scene of the crime. Not one. Someone here mentioned it, may that fake English guy, perhaps he has seen that report. The earliest reports from MSM were "Dozens of shell casings on the floor".

The clip did not have all the shots. I dont care about the shots he was referring to when you can hear the same shots on every recording. Why wasnt all the shots lined up so he could hear them from every angle that we have recorded? I bet the police have even more angles from dead peoples phones.

I am an audio engineer and an expert. Those shots sound off mic in the taxi cab video. Again. line up all the recordings. I bet you will hear either the same muffled bit from another angle or you will hear them not being blocked by the building. When you guys are looking at this evidence you should be listening to all of the recordings time aligned.

It would take me about 40 minutes to time align all the angles we have after they were all roughly put in at the time they happened.

This is what happens when you guy low iq low edu people with a big platform. You get big flaws that are repeated. The internet was a bad idea.

 

[SSSnail]

Yeah, here you are "just asking questions" without any access to anything that the actual forensic analysts DO have access to and yet you think you know better than them...

But you're just "asking questions".

You know the dark side of this "asking questions" bullshit? People are actively threatening the victims over it.

But you don't care, you are just "asking questions".

Of course I'm a fake Englishman too, everything, everywhere is absolutely fake and I'm really a Jewish reptilian...

Lordy...

So, can you provide link to any reports of "thousands of spent shell casings" found at the scene of crime, or not? Because if you're to discredit the videos posted, at least provide some evidence.

 

[JSt0rm]

So, can you provide link to any reports of "thousands of spent shell casings" found at the scene of crime, or not? Because if you're to discredit the videos posted, at least provide some evidence.

Stop conflating issues. Why do you think no shell casings were removed from the scene?

 

[Perknose]

@Commodus, @pmv et. al.: Thanks for your psychologically insightful posts. They redeem this thread, imho. :thumbsup:

As a non-formal aside, let me just say that there is strong sentiment amongst the mods to shut down this type of thread a priori as "nothing but noise" and "outright trolling" that detracts from the forum. And it is easy to understand their reasoning, as they tend to be no-nonsense folks coming from a no-nonsense tech background who feel these kind of "fringe conspiracy" takes on events simply shouldn't be hosted here.

I believe differently . . . that the pursuit of "the truth" is best served by giving the widest possible latitude to what we entertain as germane to that pursuit. My stance is that, in open discussion, the truth will prevail, and can never be "harmed" by opposing views. The censor always has good reasons for their censorship, but the censor can be wrong. If you limit the scope of your inquiry, you limit your findings.

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We bloviate here because we care!

Carry on!

 

[JSt0rm]

are you retarded? There are shell casings all over the ground.

 

[J.Wilkins]

So, can you provide link to any reports of "thousands of spent shell casings" found at the scene of crime, or not? Because if you're to discredit the videos posted, at least provide some evidence.

Can you wait until they are done or is that absolutely impossible. All information will eventually become public but at this point it's not.

Your videos are specifically made to purport a viewpoint that might not be accurate in the least, this was a 1200ft suite and there are several pictures of small areas where there are loads of shell casings that have been purposefully left out of the videos that want to present THEIR narrative.

Occams razor my good man, look it up and apply it.

 

[SSSnail]

The clip did not have all the shots. I dont care about the shots he was referring to when you can hear the same shots on every recording. Why wasnt all the shots lined up so he could hear them from every angle that we have recorded? I bet the police have even more angles from dead peoples phones.

I am an audio engineer and an expert. Those shots sound off mic in the taxi cab video. Again. line up all the recordings. I bet you will hear either the same muffled bit from another angle or you will hear them not being blocked by the building. When you guys are looking at this evidence you should be listening to all of the recordings time aligned.

It would take me about 40 minutes to time align all the angles we have after they were all roughly put in at the time they happened.

This is what happens when you guy low iq low edu people with a big platform. You get big flaws that are repeated. The internet was a bad idea.

So, did you at least look at the lag time of the bullet impacts and the gunshot sounds in that clip?

Referring to the taxi cab, it was basically right below the two windows, the phone hardly moved in the first few minutes. I'm not understanding your off-mic comment. Yes, the windows are at an angle, but given the movements of the cab later on, and the sonic fidelity of the recording after the movements, what do you make of that? If you have a single source of audio recording to determine how far away the shots came from based on fixed values, why do you need to line anything up? I thought the guy explained it pretty well...

 

[pmv]

It's not a conspiracy, it's the incompetence.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...have_a_right_to_be_worried_about_the_fbi.html

I hate to have to give any credence to this stuff, because there's an obvious agenda behind this 'the FBI is incompetent' argument, given who it's coming from and the context of it. But law-enforcement incompetence is always possible, and has frequently happened.

Given the ulterior motives of everyone in this debate though, I'd rather just wait and see as far as Las Vegas is concerned. If the authorities screw-up that investigation it will neither be the first, nor the most consequential such case.

I mean, how badly could they screw it up? What vital issues could there actually be for them to miss? Seems to me the worst outcome of incompetence would be that we are left more puzzled than we might be about the precise nature of the irrational motivations of an irrational killer, and the precise timeline of his actions. Or there _might_ be some police short-comings in the response to the shooting that might have stopped him sooner, but I don't see that it would be any great shocker to find local cops not being flawless at their jobs. All of that would surely come out in time?

 

[SSSnail]

Can you wait until they are done or is that absolutely impossible. All information will eventually become public but at this point it's not.

Your videos are specifically made to purport a viewpoint that might not be accurate in the least, this was a 1200ft suite and there are several pictures of small areas where there are loads of shell casings that have been purposefully left out of the videos that want to present THEIR narrative.

Occams razor my good man, look it up and apply it.

But, you already KNOW without waiting until they're done! And you're so sure of it as if you have the all the evidence. Just throwing all your shits back at you, mate.

 

[SSSnail]

are you retarded? There are shell casings all over the ground.

Surely you saw the pictures of the whole room, right? That right here is a bit dishonest in your part. Again, based on the hit rates and firing rates, there should be A LOT more shell casings in that room. At least where his body was. You know, his body where he's got a rifle on bi-pod over his left leg, set another rifle down so he can sit on it, then blow his brains out with no exit wound?

 

[JSt0rm]

Surely you saw the pictures of the whole room, right? That right here is a bit dishonest in your part. Again, based on the hit rates and firing rates, there should be A LOT more shell casings in that room. At least where his body was. You know, his body where he's got a rifle on bi-pod over his left leg, set a rifle down so he can sit on it, then blow his brains out with no exit wound?

you just said there were no casings. Im showing you casings. Im not eyeball deep in the xfiles like you so excuse me for not analyzing all the pictures everywhere when all I needed to do was show you shell casings.

 

[J.Wilkins]

But, you already KNOW without waiting until they're done! Just throwing all your shits back at you, mate.

No, what I DO know is that the people pushing the narrative that this was a false flag operation are the same people who has done the same for every single incident and are horridly dishonest fuckers who would sell their mother for 10K views on the internet.

I'm sorry but I don't believe anything other than what can be evidenced, that is my nature and me discounting bullshit artists does not mean that I alone sit with the truth.

It IS possible to proclaim falsities false without pretending to know absolute truth but hey, you're just "asking questions" amirite?

 

[JSt0rm]

So, did you at least look at the lag time of the bullet impacts and the gunshot sounds in that clip?

Referring to the taxi cab, it was basically right below the two windows, the phone hardly moved in the first few minutes. I'm not understanding your off-mic comment. Yes, the windows are at an angle, but given the movements of the cab later on, and the sonic fidelity of the recording after the movements, what do you make of that? If you have a single source of audio recording to determine how far away the shots came from based on fixed values, why do you need to line anything up? I thought the guy explained it pretty well...

we dont have a single source of audio. You see, guns are loud and everyone recording recorded the sound of the guns. We have multiple angles of these sounds and lining them all up to get an accurate picture is fairly trivial.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Surely you saw the pictures of the whole room, right? That right here is a bit dishonest in your part. Again, based on the hit rates and firing rates, there should be A LOT more shell casings in that room. At least where his body was. You know, his body where he's got a rifle on bi-pod over his left leg, set another rifle down so he can sit on it, then blow his brains out with no exit wound?

There are no pictures released to the public that cover the entirety of the 1200ft suite.

And you are calling HIM dishonest?

 

[JSt0rm]

There are no pictures released to the public that cover the entirety of the 1200ft suite.

And you are calling HIM dishonest?

The aliens released the pictures 100 days ago BEFORE the shooting but obama ket them under wraps.

 

[J.Wilkins]

we dont have a single source of audio. You see, guns are loud and everyone recording recorded the sound of the guns. We have multiple angles of these sounds and lining them all up to get an accurate picture is fairly trivial.

I'm so glad you decided to partake in this thread.

 

[J.Wilkins]

The aliens released the pictures 100 days ago BEFORE the shooting but obama ket them under wraps.

God damn reptilian Jews... Wait... I'm supposedly one of them... god damn... us?

This smells like Sandy Hook and jet fuel cannot melt steel beams all over again... But hey, at least they haven't started with the Uzbek running people over in NYC, that is still not a faa..... GOD DAMN IT...

It's a false flag too...

They're on to us, you know.

 

[SSSnail]

we dont have a single source of audio. You see, guns are loud and everyone recording recorded the sound of the guns (I'll have to qualify this with "depends on which kind of guns and bullets", because I know someone will say "THAT'S NOT TRUE, HURDUR!". We have multiple angles of these sounds and lining them all up to get an accurate picture is fairly trivial.

Have you ever fired a gun? It's quite simple physics, even for someone with low IQ/low Edu like myself to understand. When you fire a gun, the bullet travels at a speed faster than sound (I'm gonna have to qualify this with "Depends on which bullets", because some idiot will say "THAT'S NOT TRUE HURDUR!"). The bullet would travel to the target FIRST, before you hear the gunshot sound. Of course until the bullet lose muzzle velocity, etc... Given the range in this case, the bullet would never travel at a speed lower than the speed of sound. When you hear the bullet impacts, you then can hear the gunshot sounds of those bullets, the lag time between the impacts and the sound would determine the DISTANCE of the originating shot. It's quite trivial, really.

You don't need to line up anything to determine lag time. May be I'm wrong, but you would have the resources to pull the audio threads apart to do some more calculations.

 

[SSSnail]

There are no pictures released to the public that cover the entirety of the 1200ft suite.

And you are calling HIM dishonest?

We don't, but I'm just going off what I see. The room where he died, the room where they photographed, has a lot of weapons in it, along with magazines, etc... so I would assume I would see a lot more bullet casings than what's shown. Maybe he just shot a lot from the other window, ran back and forth to get his magazines, then got tired and shot out of the window where he died and pictured. See? I don't know these things, that's why I ask questions. But of course you know and have all the answers, because you've seen the pictures of the entire suite, that's why you're so sure.

 

[SSSnail]

you just said there were no casings. Im showing you casings. Im not eyeball deep in the xfiles like you so excuse me for not analyzing all the pictures everywhere when all I needed to do was show you shell casings.

I NEVER said no shell casing, you said that, I said there should be A LOT more than what's shown.