So Obama was with a room full of Republicans today

[Robor]

You have GOT to be kidding me. When has this president ever been bi-partisan? Only in the last few weeks since Massachusetts senate election in his desperation and just NOW he says he's a representative of the people?

No, We The People flatly reject him and his first year have only strengthened that. Too little, too late you bastard. We're onto you. Watch his actions, not his words.

Notice that he and holder are now trying to back off from trying terrorists in civil courts. Wonder why that is?

FFS quit pretending you wing nut looks speak for anyone other than yourselves. 🙄

 

[CrackRabbit]

Can we all chip in and switch Spidey's coffee to decaf?

We get it, you don't like Obama's policies or him as a person. Working yourself into a froth over it accomplishes nothing and only makes you look like an idiot.
Wait until November and vote against him and his party.
Until then, simmer down.

 

[Zorkorist]

"republicans" can't get over the idea that Obama isn't the safe black man they would have voted for if that D became a R...

\if it were President Colin Powell.... how the tune would change..

The Office of The President of the United States, is all I see.

-John

 

[Patranus]

The Office of The President of the United States, is all I see.

-John

The "Progressives" are the ones who always try to inject race into an issues where race was never an issue in the first place.

This is one of their standard tactics from their bag of tricks.

 

[sportage]

CNN Headlines: ""Obama, GOP meeting tense but civil"".
WTF? You'd think he was meeting face to face with Bin Laden himself.
Headlines like this should never need be used when two sectors of government
get together. THAT IS exactly what is wrong with our political system.
The headlines should read: "Obama and GOP meet AND easily find common ground".
Not, "Obama and GOP meet and the death count is kept under 50".
Sorry folks, but we're pretty FU-ed up for a free society.
No wonder the terrorist find it so amusing and easy to endlessly toy with us,
while we run about like trapped rats.

 

[RedCOMET]

It seems like We, The People, have only ourselves to blame.

We, The People, are the ones that keep electing public officials that don't look out for our interest. Instead our elected officials are looking out for their own interest, one of them is staying elected.

It has gotten to the point were the Party is more important than The People.


And what can the White House do to Congress? Tell them to play nice together & get their shit together because The People won't stand for this political shenanigans? As soon as he does that he gets attacked. Last I checked, only Congress pass laws & only the White House approves or vetos them. Lets not make the White House, or POTUS, the scape goat for Congress's in ability to get their shit together.

 

[Zorkorist]

CNN Headlines: ""Obama, GOP meeting tense but civil"".
WTF? You'd think he was meeting face to face with Bin Laden himself.
Headlines like this should never need be used when two sectors of government
getting together. THAT IS exactly what is wrong with our political system.
The headlines should read: "Obama and GOP meet AND easily find common ground".
Not, "Obama and GOP meet and the death count is kept under 50".
Sorry folks, but we're pretty FU-ed up for a free society.
No wonder the terrorist find it so amusing and easy to endlessly toy with us,
while we run about like trapped rats.

How many times have you heard II'm not sure what is going on, so I voted fo [opposition] party." Just to keep it even.

Well, here's a case where President Obama, almost by a land-slide, gets to do what he wants.

But, somw-how, some-way, it's just not working out.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

CNN Headlines: ""Obama, GOP meeting tense but civil"".
WTF? You'd think he was meeting face to face with Bin Laden himself.
Headlines like this should never need be used when two sectors of government
getting together. THAT IS exactly what is wrong with our political system.
The headlines should read: "Obama and GOP meet AND easily find common ground".
Not, "Obama and GOP meet and the death count is kept under 50".
Sorry folks, but we're pretty FU-ed up for a free society.
No wonder the terrorist find it so amusing and easy to endlessly toy with us,
while we run about like trapped rats.

Trapped rats? Seriously?

There's a lot of difference between America Foreign Policy, and trapped rats.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

It seems like We, The People, have only ourselves to blame.

We, The People, are the ones that keep electing public officials that don't look out for our interest. Instead our elected officials are looking out for their own interest, one of them is staying elected.

It has gotten to the point were the Party is more important than The People.


And what can the White House do to Congress? Tell them to play nice together & get their shit together because The People won't stand for this political shenanigans? As soon as he does that he gets attacked. Last I checked, only Congress pass laws & only the White House approves or vetos them. Lets not make the White House, or POTUS, the scape goat for Congress's in ability to get their shit together.

There's a friend of mine that posts on another forum that points out... somewhere around 50% of the people in the US pay taxes, the other 50% do not.

Cold... Shivers.

-John

 

[RedCOMET]

There's a friend of mine that posts on another forum that points out... somewhere around 50% of the people in the US pay taxes, the other 50% do not.

Cold... Shivers.

-John

Ouch! Thats a scary statistic. I wonder if there is a similar stat with regards to big business.

 

[Craig234]

The "Progressives" are the ones who always try to inject race into an issues where race was never an issue in the first place.

This is one of their standard tactics from their bag of tricks.

This is one of the right's standard talking point attacks. If you can't defend racist policies, attack the left for being too much against them.

The right has never really stood againast blacks. They've just been for states' right, for tradition, for respecting majority, for not rushing change, for law & order against those radical potestors.

When the Democrats forced the issue to make them really be for segregation or against it, a good majority did vote against it. amd the battle shifted to assistance programs.

Not that they're 'against' blacks.

It's just the programs are bad for people. It's just we can't afford them. It's only that there are principles of this or that involved. It's just they're against reverse discrimination.

It's almost as if the conservatives' 'respectable' call for not addressing wrongs was part of a campaign to get elected by giving the majority what they want: excuses not to addess problems.

Remember my old sig quote:

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

Once you understand that, it's easy to understand why attacking progressives for being 'excessive' on race is a popular line. If they're doing too much, then you are not wrong for attacking them.

Once, the 'liberal/conservative' divide was whether you beat your slaves more or less. Ending slavery was 'radical'. Then it was social equality - when Theodore Roosevelt let a black man visit the White House the nation was furious. You're going too fast with all this change, JFK and LBJ. There's a reason Martin Luther King, Jr. said "Justice delayed is justice denied" - because no one was 'against' change - but slow. It's those progressives' fault! Stirring up trouble with their protests against segregation, it's their own fault. Out holding signs that made people mad, it's their fault.

They're the ones causing the problems, injecting race issues where there aren't any. Why, most blacks aren't out protesting for ending segregation - it's these progressives making a problem.

 

[sandorski]

It was a very good discussion and I suspect if it was done more often that the Republicans would have to tone down the rhetoric. I kinda doubt it will ever happen again, because it made Obama look too good and clearly showed him not being the monster he's been painted as.

There might be hope yet.

 

[Ozoned]

How lame. The 2001 budget was set under the Clinton Admin, much as the 2009 budget was set under the Bush Admin. The 2001 budget would actually have looked better except for the way that the Bush Admin fudged the books to include their 2002 tax rebate into the 2001 numbers...

The Bush Admin wasn't faced with economic collapse, either- they merely helped to create it. All the while they proclaimed the economy was in good shape, they blew previous record Repub deficits to the curb.

Anybody with two grey cells to rub together recognizes the national review hack job for what it is, Ozoned.

STIMULUS=JOBS SAVED

Obama Administration set the bar.....

 

[Craig234]

There's a friend of mine that posts on another forum that points out... somewhere around 50% of the people in the US pay taxes, the other 50% do not.

Cold... Shivers.

-John

I understand slaves paid zero income taxes. The lazy leeches.

I posted a link that the 20% got 94% of all growth in the US economy the last 25 to 30 years. That's 6% going to the bottom 80%, almost all of whom got nothign or less after inflation.

The income of the top 0.01% skyrocketed many hundreds of *percent* - the only group who did, and you whine they pay too much income tax while they make billios off of others.

Do you know what percent of income and wealth go to the top?

 

[boomerang]

What the Lib progressives don't understand is that at some point there will be no one to blame anything on once you have taxed everyone that is productive into oblivion or just out of the country. Where will the country get the money to take care of it's nanny state? That was the undoing of Communism. Centralized governments do not work for long.

No, no, you don't understand! This time, it's going to work!!

 

[Craig234]

No, no, you don't understand! This time, it's going to work!!

Just add water to this post for ignorace. Oh wait, no need for water.

 

[boomerang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Our problems are not organic, they were created.

Watch the whole video....

But the left doesn't see a problem with this. Because it was done with the best of intentions. Sure, the fallout was tremendous, but for a short while at least, the downtrodden got to know what it was like to live large. In their eyes, it was all worth it. It was actually so good, that plans are being formulated for round two. This time it's going to work!

 

[sandorski]

But the left doesn't see a problem with this. Because it was done with the best of intentions. Sure, the fallout was tremendous, but for a short while at least, the downtrodden got to know what it was like to live large. In their eyes, it was all worth it. It was actually so good, that plans are being formulated for round two. This time it's going to work!

Fail. Neither of those 2 were responsible for the mess.

 

[Jhhnn]

There's a friend of mine that posts on another forum that points out... somewhere around 50% of the people in the US pay taxes, the other 50% do not.

One of the rabid Right's favorite distortions- basically a lie.

Federal income taxes aren't the only taxes.

You knew that, of course, but the truth doesn't suit your purposes, so you lie.

 

[Vic]

I think the GOP needs to tone down its rhetoric and quit pandering to its base.

 

[Vic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Our problems are not organic, they were created.

Watch the whole video....

I bet you still believe that retired Marine judge out in California is going to weigh on the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship any day now too...

 

[stateofbeasley]

I think we need to ask ourselves why P&N has become more and more enraged.

The amount of nastiness, bullying, and thinly veiled racism at AnandTech has increased exponentially in the past few years.

Are we the forum members genuinely motivated by the issues? Or are people abusive because they have deep personal problems and need to use others as a punching bag? Sometimes I don't know if I am reading a tech forum or a clash between a progressive protest and white supremacist rally.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I still can't believe a certain poster who is being very vocal in this thread is still allowed to post after the vile and clearly racist comment he made here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=29103698&highlight=fat+lipped#post29103698
Worse yet, it went virtually unaddressed by nearly everyone else.

 

[EXman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patranus
The "Progressives" are the ones who always try to inject race into an issues where race was never an issue in the first place.

This is one of their standard tactics from their bag of tricks.

This is one of the right's standard talking point attacks. If you can't defend racist policies, attack the left for being too much against them.

Dems like voting blocs. They see everything through groups of people. Why it's not all for a bad reason it is that the Dems consist of many different groups loosely put together it is hard for them not to look out at everyone as some form of what they themselves are. It also leads them to pander to those same groups. A specific example is that the health care bill would exempt Unions for a certain amount of time (later that would be extended) but myself with an HSA, far from a cadillac plan, will be charged a 40% tax. That would effectively kill my coverage as my employer could not afford that.

Dividing people into groups, labeling and dividing by other means makes it easier for them to show their INTENT on helping what ever group by punishing/blaming another group. It is an efficient way of running, directing and appeasing a party made up of several distinct groups with different goals but similar ideology of fairness for all.

 

[Vic]

I think we need to ask ourselves why P&N has become more and more enraged.

The amount of nastiness, bullying, and thinly veiled racism at AnandTech has increased exponentially in the past few years.

Are we the forum members genuinely motivated by the issues? Or are people abusive because they have deep personal problems and need to use others as a punching bag? Sometimes I don't know if I am reading a tech forum or a clash between a progressive protest and white supremacist rally.

It's not just here, it's on almost every political forum.

Abraham Lincoln said that a house divided against itself cannot stand (although Jesus did say that first). And the partisan extremists on both sides are doing their damnedest to bring down America, all the while shirking any personal responsibility for their own actions and blaming "the other side" for everything.
IOW, we have become a nation of spoiled brats.