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So Obama was with a room full of Republicans today

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HomerJS said:
Let's just discuss some of those pesky facts. The GOP accused Pres. Obama of running a monthly deficit that exceeds the yearly deficit of the previous GOP administration.

True or false??????????????????????
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I'm going to keep asking until one of you GOPers answers.

Truth or lie???
 
HomerJS said:
Let's just discuss some of those pesky facts. The GOP accused Pres. Obama of running a monthly deficit that exceeds the yearly deficit of the previous GOP administration.

True or false??????????????????????
I'm going to keep asking until one of you GOPers answers.

Truth or lie???
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Disclaimer: I'm not a "GOP'er"....

As usual in politics, it's both true and false. In 2001, under the Bush admin, the US ran a surplus. The budget deficit in 2002 was somewhere around 140 billion. At the current rate, the monthly deficit (assuming linear deficit through the year) will be more than 150 billion per month. So, depending on which years you want to compare, the statement is true or false.

The reality is that it's just another exaggeration. The previous admin went nuts with deficit spending, and the current one is putting even that kind of irresponsible spending to shame.
 
HomerJS said:
I'm going to keep asking until one of you GOPers answers.

Truth or lie???
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You are correct. 110 billion a year against 90 billion per month is not more

http://corner.nationalreview.com/

Edit: The GOP accused Pres. Obama of running a monthly deficit that exceeds the yearly deficit of the previous GOP administration. That is actually a lie. They accused him of something a little different than that.
 
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Double Trouble said:
Disclaimer: I'm not a "GOP'er"....

As usual in politics, it's both true and false. In 2001, under the Bush admin, the US ran a surplus. The budget deficit in 2002 was somewhere around 140 billion. At the current rate, the monthly deficit (assuming linear deficit through the year) will be more than 150 billion per month. So, depending on which years you want to compare, the statement is true or false.

The reality is that it's just another exaggeration. The previous admin went nuts with deficit spending, and the current one is putting even that kind of irresponsible spending to shame.
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How lame. The 2001 budget was set under the Clinton Admin, much as the 2009 budget was set under the Bush Admin. The 2001 budget would actually have looked better except for the way that the Bush Admin fudged the books to include their 2002 tax rebate into the 2001 numbers...

The Bush Admin wasn't faced with economic collapse, either- they merely helped to create it. All the while they proclaimed the economy was in good shape, they blew previous record Repub deficits to the curb.

Anybody with two grey cells to rub together recognizes the national review hack job for what it is, Ozoned.
 
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Jhhnn said:
How lame. The 2001 budget was set under the Clinton Admin, much as the 2009 budget was set under the Bush Admin. The 2001 budget would actually have looked better except for the way that the Bush Admin fudged the books to include their 2002 tax rebate into the 2001 numbers...

The Bush Admin wasn't faced with economic collapse, either- they merely helped to create it. All the while they proclaimed the economy was in good shape, they blew previous record Repub deficits to the curb.
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Ok, so the 2001 budget was set under Clinton, but the 2002 budget was under Bush, after the 9/11 disaster and the impact it had on the economy. Even so, in 2002 the deficit for the year was still smaller than the average current deficit per month. Yes, it's lame and as usual in politics it might be technically true but it's BS. The gist of it is that spending has really exploded, and that part is undeniable.
 
HomerJS said:
I'm going to keep asking until one of you GOPers answers.

Truth or lie???
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What that Healthcare debate was going to be open and on C-span?

or that you'd have 5 days to read any and all bills before a vote?

YOU LIEEEEE!!!!

or how about that 'ol pesky no lobbyists crap?

Close Gitmo yet?

The guy has spent like a drunken salior and anyone who can spend more than GWB has talent. GWB was a progressive spending fiend as well. But BHO has made Bush look Busch-League.

If you deny that you Lie to yourself.

Also not a GOP'er but used to be.
 
Jhhnn said:
Truly delusional, a state of total denial. While Obama didn't say it, I will- much of the rightwing is utterly beyond reason, so entrenched and invested in fantasy that they simply can't be dealt with in a constructive fashion. It's sad, it really is.
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That's what is so funny. I am not right wing. I am for liberty and I'm saving my money to influence elections as best I can. Save this nation. We WILL save this republic.

Laugh all you want libtards. We're taking this country back. We The People reject Obama.

We The People, who produce, who pay taxes, are taking this country back.
 
Double Trouble said:
Ok, so the 2001 budget was set under Clinton, but the 2002 budget was under Bush, after the 9/11 disaster and the impact it had on the economy. Even so, in 2002 the deficit for the year was still smaller than the average current deficit per month. Yes, it's lame and as usual in politics it might be technically true but it's BS. The gist of it is that spending has really exploded, and that part is undeniable.
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Heh. You mistake budget numbers for actual increases of indebtedness, DT. One of the Bush Admin's tricks was to hide expenditures off-budget, to create the kind of illusion you apparently believe in... real numbers here-

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm
 
Can we have a centrist party yet? I'm sick of all the yahoos on all perimeters trying to run the show.

These people used to be either caged in some prison or holed into a bomb shelter
 
spidey07 said:
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Originally Posted by Jhhnn
Truly delusional, a state of total denial. While Obama didn't say it, I will- much of the rightwing is utterly beyond reason, so entrenched and invested in fantasy that they simply can't be dealt with in a constructive fashion. It's sad, it really is.

That's what is so funny. I am not right wing. I am for liberty and I'm saving my money to influence elections as best I can. Save this nation. We WILL save this republic.

Laugh all you want libtards. We're taking this country back. We The People reject Obama.

We The People, who produce, who pay taxes, are taking this country back.
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What the Lib progressives don't understand is that at some point there will be no one to blame anything on once you have taxed everyone that is productive into oblivion or just out of the country. Where will the country get the money to take care of it's nanny state? That was the undoing of Communism. Centralized governments do not work for long.
 
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RedChief said:
This is where You, Obama, Pelosi/Reid and the MSM are flat out wrong. The Republicans are not just saying NO. They are saying NO to the far left policies of the Democratic party while proposing alternatives. Since Democrats control both congress and the WH, they are pretending like Republican proposals don't even exist.

Being in the minority doesn't mean you have to vote for the policies of the majority.
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anything proposed by republicans is just lip service. yeah sure they have healthcare "reform" which amounts to the same tired ass tax cuts proposals that we see over and over and over blahdeblahblahblah...and it never works...

The "far left" is just as upset with the current administration and it's proposals...don't delude yourself.
 
EXman said:
What the Lib progressives don't understand is that at some point there will be no one to blame anything on once you have taxed everyone that is productive into oblivion or just out of the country. Where will the country get the money to take care of it's nanny state? That was the undoing of Communism. Centralized governments do not work for long.
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Do you actually believe that? I hope not. US citizens enjoy one of the lowest tax rates in the first world, particularly for those with the highest incomes. In 2006, the top 400 incomes, averaging $263M, paid 17% in federal taxes.

What you describe as the nanny state isn't something that happened in a vacuum, either, but rather as a reaction to the offshoring of decent paying jobs by american capitalists. Apparently the nanny state is cheaper for them than actually hiring Americans at wages where workers can pay first world overhead...
 
"republicans" can't get over the idea that Obama isn't the safe black man they would have voted for if that D became a R...

\if it were President Colin Powell.... how the tune would change..
 
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spidey07 said:
He doesn't care about learning. It's all about the ideology and us vs. them tactics. Thankfully the people are onto his ways and actions.

Notice the complete and total change since the Scott Heard around The World. Complete and total message change. We have a straight up Marxist as the president.

Hayabusa - I saw a lot of poison pill initiatives in the state of the union address. A LOT. Couple with the blatant class warfare, and well we know what he is.
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You are a wing nut GOP talking point machine. Bravo. 🙄
 
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