so I stopped doing the Atkins

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Ime

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: TekViper
low carb doesnt mean no carb. the only time your really restricting your carbs is the first two weeks were you stay under 20g a day, but then after that its about finding your ideal setting. fruits and vegatables ARE a big part of the low carb lifestyle. its all about cutting out proccessed carbs and other mass produced garbage.

Yep... So is eating in moderation, getting plenty of exercise, eating natural foods, etc...

Unfortunately, you are preaching to a bunch of people who know nothing of the subject, but somehow believe they are experts.

Perhaps. However, my doctor (family doc), my wife (cardiac nurse) and all the doctors she works with in the hospital (cardio docs) says the Atkins diet will kill you.

Needless to say, I'm staying away from Atkins and doing the "everything in moderation" lifestyle change.

I don't doubt that... But then again, my doctor told me that my results were impressive, and my physical (including cholesterol) was much improved, and she had nothing bad to say about it.

Could there be something hidden that is killing people?

My belief is these people were swing dieting while on Atkins. The hard thing about the diet is if you cheat, you have to start over. My theory is these people were pigging out on sweets once a week and throwing off their ketosis, so their body was going back to a fat storing mode and allowing cholesterol to build up. Don't know why it works great for some and not for others...gotta be a reason.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 93732

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Swag1138
My uncle did strict atkins for 3+ years, he died of a heart attack 3 weeks ago with 90% blockage in one of his arteries. He was otherwise completely healthy, and there was no reason to think that it something like this could happen.

I stopped atkins immediately after this.

Um, I don't think he went from 0% -> 90% blockage in 3+ years. Plaque can start building up in your arteries starting at a very early age.

0%-20% - 40 years

20%-90% - 3 years*


* on high-fat, low carb diet--atkins.

In GOD I TRUST, for all others, show me your data.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Xiety
IMO, bulking up on sugar and other simple carbs is just as bad as cutting all carbs.

Before Atkins came along, my diet consisted of 50% protein, 50% carbs. Now that I know which carbs are good, which are not, I try to avoid carbs that do nothing for my body.

Although millions of people may be putting themselves in danger by Atkins diet, I think everyone should read a basic Atkins book. I am anti-Atkins, but I still think the information given in the book can lead to a healthier life style.

0% fat? That's not good at all.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: GoodDad
when I stopped I was at around 165 pounds. Not bad since I am 5'10. Now here it is a few months later and I am down to 150.

I eat probably between 100-200 carbs a day, but I am still dropping weight. I dont get it.

It's simple, by eating several small meals thruout the day and moving your body more you've jump started your metabolic rate.If you find you're still losing you might need to add more calorie dense foods to your diet,things like peanut butter that don't increase bulk but that do contain good nutrition.

Apple and peanut butter, yumm. Can't go a day without it.

Get the peanut butter with the oil on top. It has no trans fats and it tastes better.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
here's the best diet: Eat smart and get off your ass

and of course you were typing that message while you were running the Boston Marathon, right? :roll:

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I just can't figure out why people need a diet that has a brand name.

Why not just do the spreadsheet diet and figure out what works best for you? The typical person responds well to a 40%/40%/20% (protein/carb/fat) plan but that doesn't mean it will work best for you. I guess everyone wants instant results though so experimentation in dieting and exercise is usually left for others.

For THIRTY years it didn't have a brand name. All this branding an bandwagon jumping happened after he died.

Umm, Atkins just popularized the restricted carb diet, he didn't invent it. It was published in the medical literature some time ago.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Maybe information is different now. Since when does a carb carry more calories than a fat? My 40/40/20 diet works for me just fine and my calculations have a fat gram carrying a ton more calories, relatively speaking, than a carb gram.

But, I'm open to being completely incorrect here, so please provide some proof other than a link to an Atkins website.

I'm sorry, I mis-spoke. Fat contains 9 calories per gram, where carbs and protiens contain 4. There are usually several times the amount of carbs vs fat in food, so the net total of calories mainly comes from carbs.

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: Lyfer

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Atkins died of some type of heart-issue, I for one am glad you gave up on that diet GoodDad :beer:

Indeed, what the heck is up with all these fastfood corporations jumping on the low carb bandwagon?

Cause low carb != low cal. Adults have a fat tooth, and no carbs in fat.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Maybe information is different now. Since when does a carb carry more calories than a fat? My 40/40/20 diet works for me just fine and my calculations have a fat gram carrying a ton more calories, relatively speaking, than a carb gram.

But, I'm open to being completely incorrect here, so please provide some proof other than a link to an Atkins website.

I'm sorry, I mis-spoke. Fat contains 9 calories per gram, where carbs and protiens contain 4. There are usually several times the amount of carbs vs fat in food, so the net total of calories mainly comes from carbs.

Just looking at calories is incorrect as not all foods are equal. Carbs impact blood sugar levels, fats do not.

As far as heart health, one of the leading indicators of heart disease is your HDL/triglyceride ratio.

The higher the number the better.

By going on a restricted carb diet and excercing my ratio went from 0.16 to 1.5.

I would say that my risk of having a heart attack has decreased significantly.

I just had a physical and my doctor told me to keep up what I was doing.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Maybe information is different now. Since when does a carb carry more calories than a fat? My 40/40/20 diet works for me just fine and my calculations have a fat gram carrying a ton more calories, relatively speaking, than a carb gram.

But, I'm open to being completely incorrect here, so please provide some proof other than a link to an Atkins website.

I'm sorry, I mis-spoke. Fat contains 9 calories per gram, where carbs and protiens contain 4. There are usually several times the amount of carbs vs fat in food, so the net total of calories mainly comes from carbs.

No, that's fine man. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some new research that I had missed out on.

Even then I don't count carbs necessarily the same as fat. Some fat is good at certain times of the day and the same can be said for carbs. I tend to eat carbs earlier in the day and fat later in the day. Protein I take in all day. I also try to isolate my meals to only 2 of the 3 energy sources and that basically boils down to either Protein+Carbs or Protein+Fat. Sometimes I end up dipping into the third source but it's not a huge deal to me anymore.

 

[skace]

Wingznut it always amazes me that you have the patience to educate people who never learn.

Fingolfin269, your 40/40/20 diet is overly-simplistic. Complex Carbs or Simple Carbs? What kind of meal structure? What kind of fats? Saturated? Unsaturated? Trans fat? If you are eating 20% saturated fat and covered in bleach white starch then you are going to look like the freaking stay puft marshmellow man. If you are eating 20% unsaturated fats covered in whole wheat then we may be talking a whole nother story. Your plan is flawed because it allows a person to both gain and lose weight without any direction. On your diet, one day I could have a bacon cheese burger and supersize of french fries and the next have broiled fish with brown rice and both would 'fit the bill'. The difference is that only one of those meals would be considered correct in terms of Atkins.

You want to know another overly-simplistic concept? Eat less and run more. It may work, it may not work, it all depends on WHAT YOU ARE EATING LESS OF.

As to the original poster, I don't know why you lost weight, maybe you should consult a nutritionist. Maybe you should keep track of exactly what you are eating and a rough estimate of how many calories you burn in a day. It is easy to say "Well I appear to be eating what I ate before and doing what I did before". If you had records showing you gaining weight before doing and eating the same exact things, then it would be more impressive. If you are infact doing and eating everything the same as before, it is very possible that eventually you will begin gaining the weight back also. And yes, as 1 poster stated, we do not know what you are losing, muscle, fat or water.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: GoodDad
when I stopped I was at around 165 pounds. Not bad since I am 5'10. Now here it is a few months later and I am down to 150.

I eat probably between 100-200 carbs a day, but I am still dropping weight. I dont get it.

because atkins doesn't work. duh. you only lost weight because you eat less when you cut out a food group. if you'd just reduced what you ate across the board you would have had similar results and have been healthier. glad to hear you're off it now.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: skace
Wingznut it always amazes me that you have the patience to educate people who never learn.

Fingolfin269, your 40/40/20 diet is overly-simplistic. Complex Carbs or Simple Carbs? What kind of meal structure? What kind of fats? Saturated? Unsaturated? Trans fat? If you are eating 20% saturated fat and covered in bleach white starch then you are going to look like the freaking stay puft marshmellow man. If you are eating 20% unsaturated fats covered in whole wheat then we may be talking a whole nother story. Your plan is flawed because it allows a person to both gain and lose weight without any direction. On your diet, one day I could have a bacon cheese burger and supersize of french fries and the next have broiled fish with brown rice and both would 'fit the bill'. The difference is that only one of those meals would be considered correct in terms of Atkins.

You want to know another overly-simplistic concept? Eat less and run more. It may work, it may not work, it all depends on WHAT YOU ARE EATING LESS OF.

I think the only thing that is flawed in this response is the fact that you are a person who leans way more towards assumption than fact. You assume that because I put 40/40/20 as my diet that I know nothing about mono/poly/saturated/unsaturated/complex/simple/high gi/low gi/etc. etc. etc. and don't bother to take those different types of carb/fat sources into account when I'm dieting.

Here, make another assumption since I don't feel like going over every single column/row of my spreadsheet with you since you seem more hell bent on your 'eat less/run more' approach to dieting. My body stats as previously posted in this thread :

I've been doing a 40/40/20 diet for over 3 years. I'm 5'10" and weigh 173 pounds at 7.6% body fat (last checked bf% and weight on Friday).

Now, you can either assume that I am lying or assume that I know wtf I am doing because 3 years ago I was 5'10" 185 pounds and around 20% body fat. Granted, I also work out 6 days a week doing a mixture of heavy weight training and cardiovascular exercise, but this thread seemed to lean more towards the dieting aspect of Atkins, so I limited my discussion to diet.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Swag1138
My uncle did strict atkins for 3+ years, he died of a heart attack 3 weeks ago with 90% blockage in one of his arteries. He was otherwise completely healthy, and there was no reason to think that it something like this could happen.

I stopped atkins immediately after this.

Damn, that's sad.

Sorry to hear.

Was it the Atkins diet?

Who's to say, but it's enough to scare me into the strict "exercise as frequently as you can, and consume fewer calories than you use" diet.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Bowmaster

but I am still dropping weight. I dont get it.

Tooma?

Tape-wahrm.

 

[rahvin]

Atkins died of a head injury. Anyone put on an IV feeding drip for 7 days is going to put on weight, hell I know someone that put 10 pounds on in about 5 days because they put him on a drip.

And finanaly the group that illegally obtained Atkins autopsy report, published it and began press releases is the same one behind the guy suing Atkins for his heart disease. This group calls themselves doctors for responsible choice or something like that and they are a VEGAN organization. If you want to talk about someone with a hidden agenda lets talk about a VEGAN organization that is attacking a diet that promotes eating meat. They don't give a rats ass about any health issues, they are pushing a political agenda and anyone that believes a word they say is a fool.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP SAYING THIS???????????????


HE DIED FROM A HEAD INJURY AFTER FALLING ON SOME ICE!!!

Geeze, how does this story keep going?

Proof

yes, and according to snopes it is undetermined whether he fell because he had a heart attack, or whether he just slipped. Plenty of people slip on ice, few people die because of it.

If there ARE no facts supporting either side, don't defend one of them.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Fritzo

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP SAYING THIS???????????????


HE DIED FROM A HEAD INJURY AFTER FALLING ON SOME ICE!!!

Geeze, how does this story keep going?

Proof

yes, and according to snopes it is undetermined whether he fell because he had a heart attack, or whether he just slipped. Plenty of people slip on ice, few people die because of it.

If there ARE no facts supporting either side, don't defend one of them.

He didn't die from slipping on ice. He died from a head injury resulting from the fall.

Regardless, he didn't die from his diet as some people are suggesting here.

This is old news anyway. What's the point of rehashing it?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Bassyhead

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Bassyhead

Originally posted by: Lyfer

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Atkins died of some type of heart-issue, I for one am glad you gave up on that diet GoodDad :beer:

Indeed, what the heck is up with all these fastfood corporations jumping on the low carb bandwagon?

i'm not a supporter of atkins diet, but his heart issue or death was not diet related. get the facts straight.

Proof please

here ya go:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow/

"Let me state emphatically that I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said in a statement.

This actually washes w/ you?

How about you give us proof that his death WAS caused by his diet?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: GoodDad
when I stopped I was at around 165 pounds. Not bad since I am 5'10. Now here it is a few months later and I am down to 150.

I eat probably between 100-200 carbs a day, but I am still dropping weight. I dont get it.

because atkins doesn't work. duh. you only lost weight because you eat less when you cut out a food group. if you'd just reduced what you ate across the board you would have had similar results and have been healthier. glad to hear you're off it now.

Which food group did he "cut out"?

 

[rickn]

it'a amazing how many people know so much more about healthy hearts than Dr. Atkins and Dr. Agatston (South Beach Diet)

And please, the $5 diploma's you bought off the internet don't count

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: rickn
it'a amazing how many people know so much more about healthy hearts than Dr. Atkins and Dr. Agatston (South Beach Diet)

And please, the $5 diploma's you bought off the internet don't count

It's typical MO of ATOT... So many people here think they are experts... When in reality, they don't know sh*t.

 

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: rickn
it'a amazing how many people know so much more about healthy hearts than Dr. Atkins and Dr. Agatston (South Beach Diet)

And please, the $5 diploma's you bought off the internet don't count

It's typical MO of ATOT... So many people here think they are experts... When in reality, they don't know sh*t.

This is true. Though, reading atkins' books does not make you an expert on human health.
In reality, most people here don't know sh!t.

 

[714xkickz]

my brother is a kineisiologist and he says the atkins diet is very bad for you... take advice from an expert not some fat guy who made a diet

 

[MikePanic]

i don't beleive in any of the "trend" diets - if you want to loose weight - you need to make a lifestyle change... from the way you eat, when and where to how often you work out and at what intensity - there is no simple answer for everyone. everyones body reacts differantly to differant things - so learn to listen to your body