so i got a DUI...

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cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: Aimster
I hope you go to jail.

People who drink and drive are the most selfish individuals on the Earth. They think they are so important and nobody else matters.

Bubba will show you just how important you are

Showing off your ignorance, again, I see. Selfish? At best, maybe somewhat irresponsible. If he got caught at .010 or .012, I'd have no problem with it as long as he could handle himself well. Intoxication limits are artificially low because the insurance companies buy off politicians.
There is NOBODY, repeat, NOBODY, who is not impaired at the BAC's you mention. Every single person on the face of the earth is at least slightly impaired at those limits.

Just because you can walk around a bar or a party and not seem intoxicated at those limits does NOT mean that it's okay to get behind the wheel.

There has been study after study after study that shows this.

And yet, some people are even more impaired from taking cold medicine, playing with the radio, or just being preoccupied with something else.

Not that I condone DWI, but there is definitely a disproportionate outrage against such behavior, even if it is selfish and wrong.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Well prepare for the children and no-life's here that totally don't understand the laws.

First time DUI is nothing, just expensive...figure about $3-5k just to pay it out including buying back your community service. Hiring a lawyer is usually a gamble in DUI esp if you failed the breath test or worse blood. The law around it doesn't follow typical constitutional law. It's more akin to traffic court where due process and all the protections you get in criminal court are thrown out.

You lawyer is going to be working on retainer as there is no damages, any contests you make to the system will need to have an expert witness present for all the days you are in court. You will have to pay for their time and lodging.

The court drags these out to usually one initial court date in about 6 months, then another court date 3-6 months later and finally a final court date about another 3-6 months later.

If you just plea guilty you can be driving to work (3 months) relatively quickly, if you contest it; you cannot drive even for work until your last court date. In florida you are looking at 6 months total for a first DUI not being able to drive freely.

Most insurance companies don't give too much thought to a first time dui since they are so common.

Most people that drink have been behind the wheel more than once at 0.08%. The limits are too low for the average person, however; drugs don't affect anyone the same way as another so drawing a line in the sand like that is ridiculous. Another thing is the breath test is inherently flawed as it's measuring the alcohol content in the blood of your respiration. This varies from person to person and can be greatly affected by even a small cut to the mouth.

MADD/SADD has proven to be a great political lobby...they push tons of non-related bills into laws and generate a ton of revenue for the government. In reality, statistically the average person drinking behind the wheel is not sending people to the hospital or killing them anymore than a typical late night / tired driver is. You do have the fall-down drunk exceptions, but even these people are usually only harming property and themselves. However; that is the stereotype the uneducated see when they consider DUI.

I paid mine out, I was arrested in my parking space. I had to pay excessive rates for the towing (about 5x as much as a regular tow), a boot on my car for 10 days (if I was poor and it was my only family car, I would not have to pay this), 2 MADD/SADD classes to hear all their sob stories mostly by those that looked as if they didn't have two nickles to rub together spouting on about how their friend or relative would have been the next Ghandi, Einstein, or President. A couple weekly meetings like traffic school which total up to 12 hours. You have to pay for a temp license then reinstatement of your real license. You are on probation for 1 year. You also have 50 hours community service which you can buy back at $10 a hour. I just paid it.

The craziest story in the class I was in was an attorney from NY that was washing his car while drinking. Since he had his keys on him he was considered as a DUI. In NY his vehicle was impounded permanently. It was a new corvette at the time which he owned free and clear. He states the police had been harrassing him due to defending a case against one of them. He took it on himself to fight the whole system behind it all, he had about $250k of his money into it at the time I spoke to him. There were many others arrested for sleeping in their cars or just coming out from a party to retrieve something from the trunk or glovebox (usually cigarettes / lighters got most people in trouble).

For all these meetings you are required to go, you need to find a ride. Their favorite thing to do is arrest people driving themselves to these classes as even with the work permits, these do not count as work functions.

 

zuljinAF

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the limits are absurdly low, cause in all honesty you can drink Nyquil, or even some mouth washes and Blow right after and come close to blowing the legal limit. IMO if somone fails the blow test give them the standard coordination test, if they pass that, make them leave there car there and call a cab, and issue them a warning. If they fell both arrest them and scale the punishment.

oh and yes i've had friends killed in DUIs and I still find the limit's low.
 

FoBoT

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i assume you didn't run over anyone/kill anyone while D&D since you didn't put that in the OP

if you are an alcoholic, i suggest you get some help and quit drinking
 

IGBT

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..tough lesson to learn. your new hobby is courts,lawyers and probation.
 

Gunslinger08

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Most people here probably don't understand how low the limit is. A majority of them have probably driven after a beer or two, which for quite a few people is over the legal limit.

Just bend over and take it. Probably cost you several thousand dollars in court costs, fines, mandatory alcohol programs, etc., but it's not the end of your life.
 

Feldenak

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Jan 31, 2003
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Before this thread gets too self-righteous...keep in in mind that there have been studies that show driving while sleepy is as bad, and in some cases worse, than driving drunk. Keep that in mind while passing by on your high horse.

No, I'm not going to link to the studies...google them yourselves. It's bad enough I'm at work on a Sunday.
 

edro

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I wouldn't get a lawyer. Just plea no contest and pay the fines and take the courses.

A lawyer will cost you a LOT of money and not save you much if anything.
 

Goosemaster

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don't. do. it. again.

this time around is going to hurt like a summabitch.

hopefully you will once again have better days.

be thankful you didn't hit someone or do far worse.



idealist bullsh!t is just that, except in certain situations where the fiber of all your morality seems to fall apart. That is why I urge you to reflect on this:

don't. do. it. again.

this time around is going to hurt like a summabitch.

hopefully you will once again have better days.

in the end life is what you make of it, and it ain't however yet, so however sh!tty it gets for you, don't give up and keep aiming for the end of that tunnel.


oh, and ....

don't. do. it. again.
 

KarmaPolice

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that sucks....

Were you really drunk or were you just caught with that stupid low limit. If you were really drunk..good you shouldn't have been driving. I think the limit is just a crazy number. Its different for each person and .08 is like 2 beers for an average person...come on..I can drink two beers and play a full game of tennis and still be ontop of my game!
 

thepd7

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OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

How the hell do you know if your under .08. You can't it is retard to have a law that it is impossible to know if you are breaking it.
 

Gunslinger08

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Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

You have a built in BAC meter? I'd love to see that in action. This is the problem with an objective limit. Yes, a subjective limit is much harder to enforce, but it ensures that people who are absolutely fine to drive don't get unjustly punished.
 

KarmaPolice

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

How the hell do you know if your under .08. You can't it is retard to have a law that it is impossible to know if you are breaking it.

Each bar should have a breathlizer you can use at the door to check...then everyone can make sure they are legal to drive!
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Before this thread gets too self-righteous...keep in in mind that there have been studies that show driving while sleepy is as bad, and in some cases worse, than driving drunk. Keep that in mind while passing by on your high horse.

No, I'm not going to link to the studies...google them yourselves. It's bad enough I'm at work on a Sunday.

You are absolutely right which is why when I am really tired I pull over and take a 30 minutes nap in the back seat.
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

How the hell do you know if your under .08. You can't it is retard to have a law that it is impossible to know if you are breaking it.

You don't know if you drank alcohol and got behind the wheel of a motor vehicle? :confused: Quit trying to psychoanalyze the law. It exists, and for good reason. It's unfortunate that the conviction rate is so low, and the penalties aren't stiffer.

I still can't believe acemcmac and his sunrise post. :(
rose.gif
 

BoomerD

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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/driversafety/dsalcohol.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs72duichart.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs71thru76.htm

http://www.california-drunkdriving.org/

(from the 3rd link above)

"If you are convicted of driving with excessive BAC or while under the influence of either alcohol or drugs or both (DUI), you may be sentenced to serve up to six months in jail and to pay a fine between $390 and $1000 (plus about three times the fine in penalty assessments) the first time you are convicted. Your vehicle may be impounded and subject to storage fees.

On the first conviction the court will suspend your driving privilege for six months and require you to complete a DUI program before you can be reinstated. The length of the program may vary. If your BAC was .15% or higher and you already had a record of violations for other reasons or you refused to submit to a chemical test, the court may order you to complete a nine-month or longer program. If your BAC was .20% or higher and the court refers you to an enhanced DUI treatment program, your license will be suspended for 10 months."

 

IGBT

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.04 for safety sensitive transportation workers for over 10 years now. And that's off duty as well due to the fact they can be recalled to work at any time and must be avail.in the event of an emergency.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

How can you say that? Alkemyst went into great detail in his post and laid things out pretty factually.

 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

How the hell do you know if your under .08. You can't it is retard to have a law that it is impossible to know if you are breaking it.

You don't know if you drank alcohol and got behind the wheel of a motor vehicle? :confused: Quit trying to psychoanalyze the law. It exists, and for good reason. It's unfortunate that the conviction rate is so low, and the penalties aren't stiffer.

I still can't believe acemcmac and his sunrise post. :(
rose.gif

Drinking alcohol does not mean you are breaking the law.
 

thepd7

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I don't know my exact BAC and I don't have a breathelyzer (spelling?), but I know when I am near the limit. My rule is if I want to drive I don't have more than 2 drinks in the first hour and no more than 1 an hour afterwards. Since I am 6 foot 190, that will always put me under .08. Know your body, if you are 5 foot 100 that might not work for you. It is really pretty easy.
If I want to drink a lot I either:
a) drink at my place and have friends stay over so no one drives
b) take a cab to and from
c) drink and eat, wait 5-6 hours to drive.

Follow those 3 simple steps and it will be pretty simple to avoid any further DUIs.
 

Auryg

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Aimster
I am against DUI mainly because of this guy: acemcmac

If the driver who hit him was blowing whatever it is you all are calling illegal, but "low", would you say it was an "accident"?

It's crap like this from MADD that makes the DUI laws so ridiculous. Parading victims around doesn't make good public policy.

I believe I heard that 1/3 people will be in an accident caused by drunk driving.

Either that or is was something like 60% of all accidents are alcohol related.

Either way, it was suprising. I imagine most of the people who are defending the OP drink and drive themselves.