so i got a DUI...

[DainBramaged]

Well, it looks like all of the little kiddies finally got out of bed. Plenty of name-calling and irrational logic going on it what started off as an intelligent discussion. I'll start with thepd since he decided to begin his conversation with name calling.

Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

Okay, so you admit that some people can probably drive fine at .10 but then you say that that doesn't matter? That's a pretty idiotic statement in itself. It is not against the law to drive with alcohol in your system. It is against the law to drive while drunk. That's why, typically speaking, field sobriety tests are more accurate of an indicator than breath tests since an old alcoholic could pass it while @ .12 more easily than your mom could stone cold sober.

Try to use logic when engaging in a big-boy coversation.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

How the hell do you know if your under .08. You can't it is retard to have a law that it is impossible to know if you are breaking it.

Then you must be an idiot, and anyone else who says they don't know if they're over the limit is one, too.
There have been charts for freaking YEARS that show how much alcohol you can consume each hour and still be safely under the limit or not.
My guess is, these charts probably were slanted to the lower side, meaning that you could actually exceed their amounts slightly and still be okay.
So when someone actually does exceed the safe amount to drink and still be under the limit, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THEM NOT KNOWING IT.

Again, if you don't know when you've exceeded a safe amount to drink and drive legally, or at least that you're close, you are a Class A, registered-with-papers, DUMBASS.

So you agree that the charts are wrong but claim people are dumbass if they don't know they have gone over the limit.

No, not at all. I'm only guessing that the charts might be tilted in favor of the safe side.
Everyone should take them at face value....which means that if they do have a margin of error, then you are an extra-special dumbass for not knowing you exceeded your safe amount.
But keep trying to twist what I said around if it suits you.

BTW, the chart I linked assumed that each drink had 1 ounce of 100-proof alcohol. So if you find your body weight on there, and stick to what it says you can drink, but you're only drinking say, 70-proof, then you should be well under the limit.
Again, it's very easy to remember, and there is no excuse for "not knowing" how much you can drink and still be legal.

And if you even THINK that you might not be under the legal limit, then you shouldn't drive, PERIOD.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Well, it looks like all of the little kiddies finally got out of bed. Plenty of name-calling and irrational logic going on it what started off as an intelligent discussion. I'll start with thepd since he decided to begin his conversation with name calling.

Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

Okay, so you admit that some people can probably drive fine at .10 but then you say that that doesn't matter? That's a pretty idiotic statement in itself. It is not against the law to drive with alcohol in your system. It is against the law to drive while drunk. That's why, typically speaking, field sobriety tests are more accurate of an indicator than breath tests since an old alcoholic could pass it while @ .12 more easily than your mom could stone cold sober.

Try to use logic when engaging in a big-boy coversation.

It's irrelevant whether an "old alcoholic", as you put it, can pass a field sobriety test or not.....he/she is still impaired, and should not be behind the wheel. Just because you drink regularly enough that you can walk and talk like you're sober, does not mean you are sober.
If your BAC is at the .12 you mentioned, YOU ARE IMPAIRED. Field sobriety tests don't measure reaction time. That's what usually causes people who are just over the limit to have accidents.
Some folks are absolutely hammered at .08, and some are not...but all are impaired, at least slightly.
And since there's no way to tell who is still okay to drive at that level, then nobody should be able to.
If it keeps one drunken lightweight off the road, then it's worth it.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Well, it looks like all of the little kiddies finally got out of bed. Plenty of name-calling and irrational logic going on it what started off as an intelligent discussion. I'll start with thepd since he decided to begin his conversation with name calling.

Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

Okay, so you admit that some people can probably drive fine at .10 but then you say that that doesn't matter? That's a pretty idiotic statement in itself. It is not against the law to drive with alcohol in your system. It is against the law to drive while drunk. That's why, typically speaking, field sobriety tests are more accurate of an indicator than breath tests since an old alcoholic could pass it while @ .12 more easily than your mom could stone cold sober.

Try to use logic when engaging in a big-boy coversation.

If it keeps one drunken lightweight off the road, then it's worth it.

Basically, I would agree. My only problem comes when someone gets fscked over even though they really weren't impaired.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Well, it looks like all of the little kiddies finally got out of bed. Plenty of name-calling and irrational logic going on it what started off as an intelligent discussion. I'll start with thepd since he decided to begin his conversation with name calling.

Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

Okay, so you admit that some people can probably drive fine at .10 but then you say that that doesn't matter? That's a pretty idiotic statement in itself. It is not against the law to drive with alcohol in your system. It is against the law to drive while drunk. That's why, typically speaking, field sobriety tests are more accurate of an indicator than breath tests since an old alcoholic could pass it while @ .12 more easily than your mom could stone cold sober.

Try to use logic when engaging in a big-boy coversation.

If it keeps one drunken lightweight off the road, then it's worth it.

Basically, I would agree. My only problem comes when someone gets fscked over even though they really weren't impaired.

Well, the only way I can see someone getting fvcked over is getting rung up on a DUI charge when under the limit.
This happened to a friend of mine....he got stopped, passed all the tests, blew less than .08, said something smart-assed to the chick cop, and she hauled his ass downtown and charged him with DUI.
Of course, his lawyer made mincemeat of her on the stand, and he was acquitted, but he still had to go through all that crap.

But that really was a result of a PMS'ey female cop, and not the legal limit being too low.

 

[EvilYoda]

I'm confused...I just saw this thread and noticed that the OP hasn't posted in it since the first post...why would he say this and then go away? Granted, i'm sure he has more pressing matters to deal with currently.

At least it spurred a nice conversation

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I'm confused...I just saw this thread and noticed that the OP hasn't posted in it since the first post...why would he say this and then go away? Granted, i'm sure he has more pressing matters to deal with currently.

At least it spurred a nice conversation

If I had to guess then I would say that he wanted people to know what he had done, sorta to fess up to the crime, but he didn't want to be part of the predictably childish comments that were sure to be made.

 

[Rogodin2]

With my DUI I blew a .11.

This was back in 2002.

Circumstance.

The power grid went down (Ellensburg) and I wanted to go check my coffee shop (about 10 blocks away. I had been drinking-I had drank 9 longneck budweisers. My wife (at the time was home with me-along with two guests from NY-and I just told her I was leaving to check on the shop). For measure I was 6'6" 260lbs at the time-and I'd drank beer (starting on the farm)-almost every day.

I checked the store and returned home - it was around 8:00PM. Since the grid was down there were no stop lights and as I returned on Main everyone on the Main street was procedding slowly through intersections-it was the cross street traffic that stopped and waited for an opening to merge. On 8th ave (the street infront of the college) it was the same thing-but four lanes.

One half block before my house-as I was in the right lane-I went through the intersection with a car on the left stopped. As I moved through the intersection at 20mph I was t-boned directly on the drivers side by a rav4. My Saab was spun 360degrees and was completely totalled. A cop was 3 blocks back and was the first on the scene. The crash threw off my glasses so I blind and trying to exit my car. I climbed out the passanger side (with my home 200 feet away) and just as I stepped onto the street the cop was there and questioned me-he smelled beer on my breath (he was short and came up close because he thought I may had been injured). He was a sympathetic man because he postponed my breathalizer by an hour.

I ended up with a decent (state appointed) lawyer who made a deal with PA that if I didn't commit any infractions within 3 years the DUI charge would be erased from my record.

It's been 4-but I still drink a sparks on the way home.

Is there a moral to this story?

Rogo

 

[Icepick]

I wouldn't sweat it. I've known a couple of people who have had multiple DWIs and not seen jail time. DUI's are handled even less severely than DWI's IRC.

 

[Hyperlite]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Well, it looks like all of the little kiddies finally got out of bed. Plenty of name-calling and irrational logic going on it what started off as an intelligent discussion. I'll start with thepd since he decided to begin his conversation with name calling.

Originally posted by: thepd7
OP is an idiot, Dain is an idiot, and alkemyst is an idiot.

Dain: alcohol affects you. You don't need a study to tell you that. ANY alcohol affects your body. The reason the limit stands at .08 is because some people are too impaired to drive properly at .08. Can some people drive fine at .08, even .10? Probably, but that doesn't matter.

You know the ****** law, you know how many drinks you have had. I drink and I wait until I am sure that I am below .08 to drive. It is a very simple concept. Don't bitch about MADD because you can't follow a simple law.

Okay, so you admit that some people can probably drive fine at .10 but then you say that that doesn't matter? That's a pretty idiotic statement in itself. It is not against the law to drive with alcohol in your system. It is against the law to drive while drunk. That's why, typically speaking, field sobriety tests are more accurate of an indicator than breath tests since an old alcoholic could pass it while @ .12 more easily than your mom could stone cold sober.

Try to use logic when engaging in a big-boy coversation.

If it keeps one drunken lightweight off the road, then it's worth it.

Basically, I would agree. My only problem comes when someone gets fscked over even though they really weren't impaired.

The problem with that is the law can't differentiate in that manner. The limits are set where they are as a safety net. The fact is, some people are impared at the legal limit, and thats why its the limit.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
I'm curious, what did you blow?

A breathalyzer, duh...

Don't drink and drive. Hopefully you learned something. I've lost too many friends because they or someone else decided that they weren't impaired...

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Aimster
I hope you go to jail.

People who drink and drive are the most selfish individuals on the Earth. They think they are so important and nobody else matters.

Bubba will show you just how important you are

Showing off your ignorance, again, I see. Selfish? At best, maybe somewhat irresponsible. If he got caught at .010 or .012, I'd have no problem with it as long as he could handle himself well. Intoxication limits are artificially low because the insurance companies buy off politicians.

Lay off the self-righteous rhetoric and try to be constructive for once.

I think not.

If you are going to drink then don't drive.
Simple as that.

No it's not.

Regardless of what you think.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Aimster
I hope you go to jail.

People who drink and drive are the most selfish individuals on the Earth. They think they are so important and nobody else matters.

Bubba will show you just how important you are

Showing off your ignorance, again, I see. Selfish? At best, maybe somewhat irresponsible. If he got caught at .010 or .012, I'd have no problem with it as long as he could handle himself well. Intoxication limits are artificially low because the insurance companies buy off politicians.

Lay off the self-righteous rhetoric and try to be constructive for once.

I think not.

If you are going to drink then don't drive.
Simple as that.

No it's not.

Regardless of what you think.

Then don't cry to ATOT about DUIs. You know the rules as they stand before you take your first drink... even before you get in your car to go out drinking. Don't get mad at anyone but yourself for choosing to ignore them.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: greatfool66

.08 for a big chubby guy might still allow them to safely operate a motor vehicle, while .08 for a person with little meat on their bones that might run every day would tear them up.

Actually this is incorrect. From studies I've seen having a higher body fat % makes one more susceptible to becoming intoxicated.[/quote]

Either way, it still shows that you can't go by a standardized number.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think not.

If you are going to drink then don't drive.
Simple as that.

No it's not.

Regardless of what you think.

It's pretty damn close to that. If you're having more than a drink or two, you need to either not drive or give yourself a pretty substantial amount of time before you get behind the wheel -- probably about long enough that your BAC is below the legal limit again. You always have another option than getting behind the wheel while you're impaired.

Are there people who are not significantly impaired at something like .10? Probably. But there are also people who could probably pass a field sobriety test at that BAC but should definitely not be behind the wheel. It would be one thing if drunk driving and deaths from it were rare -- but at the rate it happens in the US, I'm more in favor of dragging drunk drivers into the street and shooting them than easing up the laws.

Yes, other forms of impairment (talking on phones, being overtired, etc.) are also dangerous -- and I think that distracted/tired driving should be enforced more stringently too.

 

[bwatson283]

work your ass off! My brother got one in December and it has cost him a freaking arm and a leg.

 

[Rogodin2]

I'm more in favor of dragging drunk drivers into the street and shooting them than easing up the laws.

Have you ever been to a Victim Impact Pannel?

Rogo

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
With my DUI I blew a .11.

This was back in 2002.

Circumstance.
<snip>
Is there a moral to this story?

Rogo

My dad got two like that. He was an alcoholic, but did not have an issue himself with driving. He got hit by two other drunks.
One was bad, he was turning into his driveway towing a boat, and he got rear ended so bad it knocked the boat off the trailer into a ditch and wrapped the trailer around his car before the tungue snapped off.
The upshot? He was forced into inpatient treatment, was ready to quit, and did so.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: greatfool66

.08 for a big chubby guy might still allow them to safely operate a motor vehicle, while .08 for a person with little meat on their bones that might run every day would tear them up.

Actually this is incorrect. From studies I've seen having a higher body fat % makes one more susceptible to becoming intoxicated.

Either way, it still shows that you can't go by a standardized number.[/quote]
Sure you can. .08 and over is legally impaired. End of story.
Doesn't matter if you can walk a line and touch your nose...your REACTIONS are impaired at and above that level. Maybe some folks' are impaired less than others, but they are impaired, nonetheless.
Again, just because you can walk, not piss yourself, and form complete sentences does NOT mean your reactions are not impaired.

My dad could drink more than anyone I've ever seen. He threw a party once, a pig picking. A guy that worked for him told me after that night "I spilled more liquor on the ground carrying his cup to him than most people could drink."
As a child, I rode home with him hundreds, literally hundreds of nights when he had consumed a FIFTH or more of whiskey, and he never even came close to having a wreck. I've been over 100mph with him drunk tons of times.
But there was barely any traffic back then, thankfully. As it is, I'm very lucky to be alive, looking back.
He could function just fine, and pass a field sobriety test just fine, even when hammered.
But we were just lucky. That's all. Lucky. His reactions were definitely way off.
Had no business behind the wheel. But he did it night after night, and got away with it.
Still doesn't make it right. I quit riding with him after I could drive myself.

Scary to think how many people used to be, and maybe still are, out there just like him....just waiting to become another DUI statistic.
Maybe there aren't as many because of the tougher laws we have now.

 

[Rogodin2]

tungue

It's tongue and I'm not your dad-thanks for the 'snip'

Rogo

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

I'm more in favor of dragging drunk drivers into the street and shooting them than easing up the laws.

Have you ever been to a Victim Impact Pannel?

Rogo

Anybody close to you killed by a drunk driver? I'm not real appreciative of the "zomg I'm fine at .15 the laws are crap" perspective. Sorry you're being inconvenienced.

Like I said, maybe if drunk driving-related deaths were at a fraction of their current levels. Slapping offenders on the wrist with some fines and a couple months without a license right up until they kill someone doesn't seem to be working consistently.

 

[skyking]

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

tungue

It's tongue and I'm not you're dad-thanks for the 'snip'

Rogo

Yeah, that did not look right as I typed it.
It was a fortuitous set of circumstances for me, since I really did not get to know him till he got sober.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think not.

If you are going to drink then don't drive.
Simple as that.

No it's not.

Regardless of what you think.

It's pretty damn close to that. If you're having more than a drink or two, you need to either not drive or give yourself a pretty substantial amount of time before you get behind the wheel -- probably about long enough that your BAC is below the legal limit again. You always have another option than getting behind the wheel while you're impaired.

Are there people who are not significantly impaired at something like .10? Probably. But there are also people who could probably pass a field sobriety test at that BAC but should definitely not be behind the wheel. It would be one thing if drunk driving and deaths from it were rare -- but at the rate it happens in the US, I'm more in favor of dragging drunk drivers into the street and shooting them than easing up the laws.

Yes, other forms of impairment (talking on phones, being overtired, etc.) are also dangerous -- and I think that distracted/tired driving should be enforced more stringently too.

Here's the thing: one or two drinks can easily put quite a few people over the limit. The charts out there are absolutely incorrect. Do you think you're too impaired to drive after 2 beers? I've definitely driven after having 2 beers. Was I over the limit? Who knows, I could have been, especially depending on when they choose to pull me over and make me blow. Was I impaired? Absolutely not. I could drive 50 miles perfectly straight and avoid deer jumping across my hometown roads.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Some cops tried to get one of my friends on a DUI while we were sleeping in his car after a party... he was completely sober at the time. He blew like a 0.03 and they still made him do a field test, etc. They made me sit on the curb behind the car so I look like I'm being arrested so something to the causal passer-by... not that were many at that time, but there were a few.

After all that... they tried to find 'reasonable cause' to search his car and our persons; we, of course, did not allow them to search our car or our persons. The cops got pissed off at us and threatened to hold us and 'wait for a search warrant' (at 4am on a Saturday morning... yeah right).

At this point, my friend and I were getting highly pissed off but kept our cool. So the cops 'let us go'... thank you so much jerk off's. So we get our junk together and drive off after the cops 'left'. Not a minute later, the cops are tailing us... WTF?! They followed us for about 5 minutes, my friend driving like 80 year old woman, until we pulled into a fast food joint that was open 24 hrs and decided to get some food.

I have met and dealt with a lot of really cool cops, then I've dealt with some real 'la douche' cops.