So, does the 7950GX2 count as a single card solution?

[mancunian]

Are you two STILL f#cking arguing?

:roll:

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: mancunian
Are you two STILL f#cking arguing?

:roll:

I can't do it anywhere else, he's ignoring my PM's.

 

[BFG10K]

or do you MEAN to say something else with your "pipeline section"? very much like your "driver path" (which turns out to be data path), you simply don't have the knowledge to reason the internals of a CPU. The fact you are here to argue with your extremely limited techincal terms is laughable.

Stop clutching at straws and playing semantic games and answer the questions.

hardware DOES NOT "depend" on software to operate

We're still wating for answers to:

[*]Why a 7950 needs SLI to work when a real single card doesn't.

[*]Why a 7950 can do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA.

[*]Why a 7950 needs to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with.

[*]How to enable HT on a non-HT processor.

[*]How we play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA with a basic VGA driver.


Answer the questions instead of trolling and constantly parroting your "hardware has nothing to do with software" mantra.

Answer the questions beggerking.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

contradicts this one:

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

And this statement,

do you even know what "!=" stands for? it stands for "not equal"

as I have said to you many time already, research before you make a fault accusation/claim/refute.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079
This statement,

NV might as well tweaked SLI to see 3 GPUs, and transmitt 2/3 data to 1 GPU and 1/3 to the other GPU.

contradicts this statement

My point is , it doesn't matter how software sees the hardware, the hardware's physical property determine what it is.

because there isn't physically 3 GPU's on the 7950, so why would "NV tweak SLI to see 3 GPUs"?

how do these 2 statements contradict? I said, NV might as well tweaked SLI to see 3 GPUs, it won't matter to hardware because software does not determine hardware's physical property. it does not matter how many GPUs software "sees" or slices data to, hardware works as it is regardless of how software sees it as.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

or do you MEAN to say something else with your "pipeline section"? very much like your "driver path" (which turns out to be data path), you simply don't have the knowledge to reason the internals of a CPU. The fact you are here to argue with your extremely limited techincal terms is laughable.

Stop clutching at straws and playing semantic games and answer the questions.

why should I explain to you the detail when you can't even use technical terms correctly?

so you havn't answer my question.. did you mean to say "pipeline stages"? or did you mean something else with "pipeline section" ?

answer this question then I'll answer yours.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Back to the burger analogy.

Now a Burger king ?Bacon Double Cheese Burger? has two burgers in it stacked on top of each other, where as McDonalds ?Big Mac? has two burgers but a piece of bun between the two burgers, yet both come in a single package and are refered to as a single burger.

Are these both classed as one burger, or is say the Big Mac classed as two burgers due to the fact it has a bit of bun in the middle, much like the SLI bridge.

As the Burger king Bacon Double Cheeseburger doesn?t use a bit of bun between the burgers (SLI Bridge) I would conclude it is one Burger (one graphics card)

Bacon Double Cheese burger = One Burger = 7900 GTX.

McDonalds Big Mac = Two Burger = 7950GX2

/thread

That is an interesting analogy. I would agree that the 7950GX2 is a single card solution.

Now on topic of this thread

If it only uses 1 PCI-Ex 16 slot it should be classified as a single card solution.

SLI technology is needed to get 2 GPU's to work together, but a GPU isn't a video card.

SLI can be used to enabled 2 discreet video cards to work together, meaning a 2x 7900 GTX or a 2 GPU's to work together like the Gigabyte 6600 GT Dual or 7950 GX2.


or

 

[josh6079]

I'll show you once again,

Originally posted by: josh6079
Also, this statement, one that is probably the most relevant:

Originally posted by: beggerking
Yes. 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup

again contradicts this statement:

This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

Enough of me answering your ramblings, I've answered your questions about the data path and about what comments of yours I believed to be contradicting. Now it's time for you to enlighten me. If you think I don't know what I am talking about then teach me. I'm interested in this god-like driver/hardware knowledge of yours and I want to know some specifics. Tell me these things:

1) If a 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup, then why is a single card "anyway you spin it"?

2) Why does a 7950 need SLI to work when a real single card doesn't?

3) Why can the 7950 do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA?

4) Why does the 7950 need to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with?

5) How do you enable HT on an A64 even with an emulator?

6) How can you play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA without installing the proper software (aka drivers).

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

contradicts this one:

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

And this statement,

do you even know what "!=" stands for? it stands for "not equal"

as I have said to you many time already, research before you make a fault accusation/claim/refute.

Enough of me answering your ramblings, I've answered your questions about the data path and about what comments of yours I believed to be contradicting.

how does above contradicting to you? or do you admit you accused me wrongly because of your lack of knowledge in such a simple notation as "!=" ?

 

[josh6079]

Google "!=" and tell me what you find.

1) If a 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup, then why is a single card "anyway you spin it"?

2) Why does a 7950 need SLI to work when a real single card doesn't?

3) Why can the 7950 do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA?

4) Why does the 7950 need to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with?

5) How do you enable HT on an A64 even with an emulator?

6) How can you play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA without installing the proper software (aka drivers).

 

[BFG10K]

why should I explain to you the detail

Because you're incapable of doing so.

so you havn't answer my question.. did you mean to say "pipeline stages"? or did you mean something else with "pipeline section"?

You know exactly what I mean, you're simply arguing irrelevant tangents to detract from the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

You also constantly contradict yourself and you're incapable of forming legitimate English sentences.

Answer the questions and stop trolling:


[*]Why a 7950 needs SLI to work when a real single card doesn't ("hardware has nothing to do with software").

[*]Why a 7950 can do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA.

[*]Why a 7950 needs to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with ("hardware has nothing to do with software").

[*]How to enable HT on a non-HT processor.

[*]How we play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA with a basic VGA driver ("hardware has nothing to do with software").

 

[Ulfhednar]

I think my saline analogy is the best one when it comes to the 7950GX2: -

If you use contact lenses, you will be aware that saline solution is used for disinfecting and lubrication between the eye and the contact lens. Saline solution (the 7950GX2) is made up of salt and water (ie. the expansion board and add-on board of the 7950GX2, which I have already proven are connected via a PCI-E slot, meaning it uses two of them in total.)

People are saying that "you cannot use the two cards in a 7950GX2 independently," well duh, it's the same reason that you cannot use either salt or water under your contact lenses either as you would just end up with a sore fvcking eye and possibly an infection. So, unless saline is not made up of salt and water in the world these fanboys live in, the 7950GX2 is a "solution" of two cards that require eachother to work.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

contradicts this one:

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

Enough of me answering your ramblings, I've answered your questions about the data path and about what comments of yours I believed to be contradicting.

how does above contradicting to you? or do you admit you accused me wrongly because of your lack of knowledge in such a simple notation as "!=" ? answer the question

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

contradicts this one:

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

Enough of me answering your ramblings, I've answered your questions about the data path and about what comments of yours I believed to be contradicting.

how does above contradicting to you? or do you admit you accused me wrongly because of your lack of knowledge in such a simple notation as "!=" ? answer the question

I mistook your "!=" as another one of your prominent typos and thought you meant "2 GPUS! =2 cards". It's not like you could have researched something like that to begin with. Google "!=" and tell me what you find.

That does not mean that this is not a contradicting statement, one that has the most relevancy and (obviously, for reasons very known) the one you keep avoiding:

Originally posted by: josh6079
I'll show you once again,

Originally posted by: josh6079
Also, this statement, one that is probably the most relevant:

Originally posted by: beggerking
Yes. 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup

again contradicts this statement:

This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

So now that I have answered yet another question of yours, its time for you to tell me the following:

1) If a 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup, then why is a single card "anyway you spin it"?

2) Why does a 7950 need SLI to work when a real single card doesn't?

3) Why can the 7950 do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA?

4) Why does the 7950 need to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with?

5) How do you enable HT on an A64 even with an emulator?

6) How can you play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA without installing the proper software (aka drivers).

answer the questions

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why should I explain to you the detail

Because you're incapable of doing so.

the fact is, you don't even know what you are talking about..

BFG:"driver path"
BFG:"pipeline section"

both are non-existant terms.

so you havn't answer my question.. did you mean to say "pipeline stages"? or did you mean something else with "pipeline section"?

You know exactly what I mean, you're simply arguing irrelevant tangents to detract from the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

you still havn't answered my question. I will not answer yours until you answered mine.

did you mean to say "pipeline stages" and admit you were wrong? or did you mean something else with "pipeline section"?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is a single card solution anyway you spin it.

contradicts this one:

2 GPUS != 2 cards.

Enough of me answering your ramblings, I've answered your questions about the data path and about what comments of yours I believed to be contradicting.

how does above contradicting to you? or do you admit you accused me wrongly because of your lack of knowledge in such a simple notation as "!=" ? answer the question

I mistook your "!=" as another one of your prominent typos and thought you meant "2 GPUS! =2 cards". It's not like you could have researched something like that to begin with. Google "!=" and tell me what you find.

So you were wrong...
so you accused me based on your lack of knowledge. Why didn't you ask if you don't know "!=" and cannot find it on Google? didn't I ask you to thoroughly research before you post?
you can't find it in a search engine because search engines also use it to refine searches.

 

[josh6079]

1) If a 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup, then why is a single card "anyway you spin it"?

2) Why does a 7950 need SLI to work when a real single card doesn't?

3) Why can the 7950 do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA?

4) Why does the 7950 need to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with?

5) How do you enable HT on an A64 even with an emulator?

6) How can you play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA without installing the proper software (aka drivers).

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079
1) If a 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup, then why is a single card "anyway you spin it"?

Basically a SLI setup on a single card, AKA dualcore.

2) Why does a 7950 need SLI to work when a real single card doesn't?

7950 doesn't need SLI to work. the OS is the one that needs SLI to improve performance.
answer me this : do you consider dualcore CPU as I single CPU?

3) Why can the 7950 do SLI AA despite your own admission that single cards can't do SLI AA?

because there are >1 GPU involved. Each GPU does part of the work.

4) Why does the 7950 need to disable SLI to power two monitors when a real single card doesn't even have the concept of SLI to begin with?

bolded part indicates you don't truly understand what SLI software does; its data scheduling.
SLI mode means each GPU render half of the screen. If you don't mind half screen on each of your 2 monitors then you are welcome to hack the driver for that.

5) How do you enable HT on an A64 even with an emulator?

you need to learn to write a program. many source that can help are available online. Google for it.

6) How can you play 3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA without installing the proper software (aka drivers).

[/quote]
well, your videocard will still "post" correctly. doesn't it? that means your videocard(physically) will still work.


"3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA" are all software aka data, which is send to the videocard to be output to monitor.


in all, to re-state my point:
it doesn't matter how software sees the hardware, the hardware's physical property determine what it is. AKA software has nothing to do with hardware.

 

[RichUK]

Beggerking: I really don?t see how you can correlate an SLI setup to a dual core

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Beggerking: I really don?t see how you can correlate an SLI setup to a dual core

2 CPU core on 1 socket = dualcore

2 GPU on 1 card/PCI-e slot = 7950gx2

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Beggerking: I really don?t see how you can correlate an SLI setup to a dual core

I guess you can correalte in this manner.

In comparison to Presler the SLI technology is analagous to the Arbiter Control Logic which allows the 2 cores to work together.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: RichUK
Beggerking: I really don?t see how you can correlate an SLI setup to a dual core

2 CPU core on 1 socket = dualcore

2 GPU on 1 card/PCI-e slot = 7950gx2

Dual core, means two processing cores on one single die, on one single pin/lan/ball grid array etc. So there is no correlation between Dual core and SLI.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: RichUK
Beggerking: I really don?t see how you can correlate an SLI setup to a dual core

2 CPU core on 1 socket = dualcore

2 GPU on 1 card/PCI-e slot = 7950gx2

Dual core, means two processing cores on one single die, on one single pin/lan/ball grid array etc. So there is no correlation between Dual core and SLI.

but within the core, there is a connection between the cores with a shared data lane.
which is analogous to 7950, a bridge between the 2 gpus with a shared data lane.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: RichUK
Beggerking: I really don?t see how you can correlate an SLI setup to a dual core

I guess you can correalte in this manner.

In comparison to Presler the SLI technology is analagous to the Arbiter Control Logic which allows the 2 cores to work together.

Touché, its true as the Presler and Smithfield processors were just two presscot/cedermill processors on one socket. But this would be one single package i.e. one socket rather than two.

I suppose different peoples definitions could be argued till the cows come home.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking
Basically a SLI setup on a single card, AKA dualcore.

SLI is a dual card feature. Why does this single card have it?

7950 doesn't need SLI to work. the OS is the one that needs SLI to improve performance.

Yes, the 7950 can physically still get electricity to it without having a driver installed (it will still turn on). That was never the debate, unless you think Nvidia made the GX2 with the sole intention to power on a card in safe mode. The point is, why do you have to have those SLI profiles activated to get that performance increase whereas a single card doesn't have to do anything but install a driver? If it is a single card "anyway you spin it", there should be no dependency on SLI.

because there are >1 GPU involved. Each GPU does part of the work.

I agree, but that doesn't answer the question. If the 7950GX2 is truly a single card, it wouldn't be able to do SLI AA.

bolded part indicates you don't truly understand what SLI software does; its data scheduling.
SLI mode means each GPU render half of the screen

And? I know that SLI distributes the data to both GPU's. You are not necessarily correct in that one GPU does one half of the screen while the other GPU does the other half. If you want, SLI can do AFR, AFR2, and SLIAA. The option you mentioned is known as split-screen rendering and is just one of the possible scenarios. The question here remains unanswered as well since split-screen rendering has nothing to do with how a desktop is kept from being displayed on two monitors when using SLI.

you need to learn to write a program. many source that can help are available online. Google for it.

LOL! You still deem it possible!! You even admitted yourself that even with an emulator the "A64 doesn't have the ability to put aside stalled instructions" and therefor cannot do HT.

well, your videocard will still "post" correctly. doesn't it? that means your videocard(physically) will still work.

It will post, but not play games, nor run shaders, nor AF/AA, etc which was what the question was. Without the drivers, the hardware is disfunctional (meaning, it isn't doing what Nvidia desinged it to do with games). Yes, it can still turn on and feed electricity through itself correctly, but that's about it.

"3D games, enable SLI, run shaders and/or run AF + AA" are all software aka data, which is send to the videocard to be output to monitor.

Correct, however that isn't the same type of "data" as a normal VGA driver can impose. It is a bit more complex and requires special instructions from within the software itself to be executed properly to the correct, corresponding hardware.