So, does the 7950GX2 count as a single card solution?

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Rangoric
Heck, if there is a flaw in NVidia's control panel its now a hardware flaw, not a software flaw.

please distinguish a software flaw vs a hardware flaw.

hardware flaw = ______________?
software flaw = _______________?

my def:

hardware flaw = Pentium CPU bug
software flaw = if (x=1) then {do something}

*giggles* You lose.

you said "my Mobo is a software OCer". its a software on your mb( hardware), not a part of OS. Therefore, your hardware manufacturer is still responsible for it, hence its still a flaw in hardware.

Self contradiction. If the bios had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then to you its a hardware flaw instead of a software flaw, due only to the source of that software.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: josh6079
beggerking, is your idea of a driver working correctly for it to pop up an error message to you?

If its a case where the driver shouldn't work (as in ATI dirvers for Nvidia cards), then I would think that a pop up message saying it won't work is the driver working right. Thats a very elegant method of letting the user know what is wrong and why it won't do anything else.

But thats from the software perspective. Hardware wise, that driver doesn't work with that hardware.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Rangoric
Heck, if there is a flaw in NVidia's control panel its now a hardware flaw, not a software flaw.

please distinguish a software flaw vs a hardware flaw.

hardware flaw = ______________?
software flaw = _______________?

my def:

hardware flaw = Pentium CPU bug
software flaw = if (x=1) then {do something}

*giggles* You lose.

you said "my Mobo is a software OCer". its a software on your mb( hardware), not a part of OS. Therefore, your hardware manufacturer is still responsible for it, hence its still a flaw in hardware.

Self contradiction. If the bios had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then to you its a hardware flaw instead of a software flaw, due only to the source of that software.

if ANY program running under your OS had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then its a software flaw.

even within bios, its still a software flaw in your graphic card, which is a hardware. Its not related to your OC software which runs under your OS.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079
beggerking, is your idea of a driver working correctly for it to pop up an error message to you?

Yes.

is your idea of a driver working correctly for it to NOT pop up an error message to you (even when hardware is not installed)?

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: beggerking
if ANY program running under your OS had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then its a software flaw.

even within bios, its still a software flaw in your graphic card, which is a hardware. Its not related to your OC software which runs under your OS.

Edit: NM, you haven't corrected your self contradiction, there is no reason for me to reply.
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However, OC software is in the bios. This is the 3rd time I've said it, at least.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: beggerking
if ANY program running under your OS had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then its a software flaw.

even within bios, its still a software flaw in your graphic card, which is a hardware. Its not related to your OC software which runs under your OS.

Edit: NM, you haven't corrected your self contradiction, there is no reason for me to reply.
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However, OC software is in the bios. This is the 3rd time I've said it, at least.

so, isn't that a hardware flaw to you?
The same goes for monitor burn itself out, its a hardware flaw.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: josh6079
beggerking, is your idea of a driver working correctly for it to pop up an error message to you?

If its a case where the driver shouldn't work (as in ATI dirvers for Nvidia cards), then I would think that a pop up message saying it won't work is the driver working right. Thats a very elegant method of letting the user know what is wrong and why it won't do anything else.

But thats from the software perspective. Hardware wise, that driver doesn't work with that hardware.

Sorry, perhaps I should rephrase.

The fact that a driver cannot access a part of its ability because of improper hardware is, to me, a state of disability. If hardware is indeed constricting the driver from performing all of its tasks, then it just goes to show that software can be impacted by hardware, and hardware can be impacted by software.

beggerking, do you agree that in order to compare the 7950GX2 to an X1900 you would have to utilize both the hardware and the software available in that comparison?

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Rangoric
Heck, if there is a flaw in NVidia's control panel its now a hardware flaw, not a software flaw.

please distinguish a software flaw vs a hardware flaw.

hardware flaw = ______________?
software flaw = _______________?

my def:

hardware flaw = Pentium CPU bug
software flaw = if (x=1) then {do something}

Here is my def:

Hardware flaw=not performing to it's specifications i.e. ram not being able to run at advertised speeds and timings.
software flaw=not performing to it's specifications i.e. BF2 randomly crashing even though all of the hardware and software required to play it is there.

 

[BFG10K]

NOT the software OCer Rangoric was talking about

Who cares? You claimed the software can't damage hardware which is false given the BIOS can overclock and overvolt and it's software.

hardware flaw = Pentium CPU bug
software flaw = if (x=1) then {do something}

But the Pentium FPU bug wasn't exposed unless the software [if (x=1) then {do floating-point operation(s)}] so therefore your own reasoning would claim the Pentium FPU bug is actually a software problem.

so are you saying your driver can run without OS?

How the hell did you get this from his reply? He said absolutely nothing of the sort. Stop concocting strawman arguments or alternatively don't respond if you can't comprehend the quotes you're replying to.

if ANY program running under your OS had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then its a software flaw.

So by your own definition the Pentium FPU bug is a software flaw.

so, isn't that a hardware flaw to you?

How is it a hardware flaw if the BIOS software is the one doing the overclocking?

Your flip-flops are beyond ridiculous and your arguments lack any kind of reasoning or cohesion.

 

[Keysplayr]

You guys of course must know by now that beggarking is just playing this out, right?
The hole is dug and he probably knows this and just continuing with it just to have the last word and annoy? Possibly? When his almost every post seems to contradict one he made before, this all becomes quite obvious, even it he turns a blind eye to his contradictions.

 

[redbox]

He dug his hole pages ago true, but untill he admits that I expect the thread and the laughter to continue.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You guys of course must know by now that beggarking is just playing this out, right?

Agreed. His arguments have gone beyond ridiculous and I think it's safe to say he's being dense on purpose.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You guys of course must know by now that beggarking is just playing this out, right?

Agreed. His arguments have gone beyond ridiculous and I think it's safe to say he's being dense on purpose.

You know what's scary..... what if he isn't.....?

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
It's just two 7900 GO cards stuck together, it has a core and memory on each card, they're just stuck together and they use the same PCI-E slot because they're both running at 8x PCI-E thanks to the mobile architecture. It's not one card. :roll:

If it was one card, some genius please tell me why it needs two GPU coolers.

I've seen 2 fans on a single GPU, would you consider that 2 cards each with 1/2 GPU?? :roll:

This is one card because it doesn't require sli.

HAHAHAH I was just going back through the thread and found this gem! Thought you guys might like it.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is one card because it doesn't require sli.

So, beggerking, why did you say this:

Yes. 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup which beats any single GPU card.

An SLI setup that doesn't require SLI? Nice one begger, nice.

Any of your arguments don't matter anymore since EVGA themselves are declaring it two cards: Click

Note: the link is a flash advertisement that has two slides. One introduces the 7950's stats, and the other one says this:

Because GX2 Is Better Than One.

Anyways, would you agree that in order to compare the 7950GX2 to an X1900 you would have to utilize both the hardware and the software available in that comparison?

 

[tjpark1111]

well it ain't a single-card solution, but it's a single SLOT solution.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: josh6079
beggerking, is your idea of a driver working correctly for it to pop up an error message to you?

If its a case where the driver shouldn't work (as in ATI dirvers for Nvidia cards), then I would think that a pop up message saying it won't work is the driver working right. Thats a very elegant method of letting the user know what is wrong and why it won't do anything else.

But thats from the software perspective. Hardware wise, that driver doesn't work with that hardware.

Sorry, perhaps I should rephrase.

The fact that a driver cannot access a part of its ability because of improper hardware is, to me, a state of disability. If hardware is indeed constricting the driver from performing all of its tasks, then it just goes to show that software can be impacted by hardware, and hardware can be impacted by software.

beggerking, do you agree that in order to compare the 7950GX2 to an X1900 you would have to utilize both the hardware and the software available in that comparison?

so you are changing your words again? as when you were insisting the term "driver path".

 

[beggerking]

hardware flaw = Pentium CPU bug
software flaw = if (x=1) then {do something}

But the Pentium FPU bug wasn't exposed unless the software [if (x=1) then {do floating-point operation(s)}] so therefore your own reasoning would claim the Pentium FPU bug is actually a software problem.

do you even know why above example is an software flaw?
They aren't even related. Pentium bug is a bug in floating point operation, above code is using integer.
stop making up terms and pretend you know something when you obvious don't.

if ANY program running under your OS had "if (x=1) then {do something}" then its a software flaw.

So by your own definition the Pentium FPU bug is a software flaw.

see above

so, isn't that a hardware flaw to you?

How is it a hardware flaw if the BIOS software is the one doing the overclocking?

bios, is a part of hardware.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: beggerking
so you are changing your words again? as when you were insisting the term "driver path".

you just HAD to bump this thread, didn't you?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You guys of course must know by now that beggarking is just playing this out, right?
The hole is dug and he probably knows this and just continuing with it just to have the last word and annoy? Possibly? When his almost every post seems to contradict one he made before, this all becomes quite obvious, even it he turns a blind eye to his contradictions.

whatever keys. accusing me of contradicting myself without prove.

while Josh kept changing his words. whatever.

 

[ArchAngel777]

You have GOT to be kidding ME! This thread is still active? I left AT for an entire month, only to come back to this thread? This is ridiculous!

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
This is one card because it doesn't require sli.

So, beggerking, why did you say this:

Yes. 7950GX2 is basically a SLI setup which beats any single GPU card.

An SLI setup that doesn't require SLI? Nice one begger, nice.

Any of your arguments don't matter anymore since EVGA themselves are declaring it two cards: Click

doesn't require SLI chipset.
Big deal if EVGA claims it as 2 cards, they don't sell seperate "card". All review say its single card.

besides, EVGA claims its 2 GPU, not cards.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Oh, but you could sure "fool" it to right?

microsoft virtual PC.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: josh6079
beggerking, is your idea of a driver working correctly for it to pop up an error message to you?

If its a case where the driver shouldn't work (as in ATI dirvers for Nvidia cards), then I would think that a pop up message saying it won't work is the driver working right. Thats a very elegant method of letting the user know what is wrong and why it won't do anything else.

But thats from the software perspective. Hardware wise, that driver doesn't work with that hardware.

Sorry, perhaps I should rephrase.

The fact that a driver cannot access a part of its ability because of improper hardware is, to me, a state of disability. If hardware is indeed constricting the driver from performing all of its tasks, then it just goes to show that software can be impacted by hardware, and hardware can be impacted by software.

beggerking, do you agree that in order to compare the 7950GX2 to an X1900 you would have to utilize both the hardware and the software available in that comparison?

the driver software was designed to not access that part of code, not that is really cannot access it.

2nd bolded part. Once again, driver was designed to not perform the task, not constricted by hardware.

to answer your question: yes. we compare cards' max potential performance.

 

[josh6079]

Drop it already.