So are Republicans going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

[Mxylplyx]

It's looking like Republicans have inexplicably decided that they have the American people on their side over this planned parenthood thing, and are gearing up for yet another budget showdown with a shutdown at stake. Have they learned nothing from the previous shutdown debacle, or the one before that during the Clinton years? If their reality bubble is anything like my facebook feed here in Alabama, I guess I can see how they form this perception, as the condemnation of planned parenthood would appear near universal.

Surely Boehner is smart enough not to let the crazies in his party lead them down the road to another political disaster, right?

ps. Before any defenders of this try to suggest that it would be democrats shutting down the government and not Republicans, do remember how well that argument played out last time during the Obamacare shutdown. Hint..nobody was buying it.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The GE is still 15 months away. The average American attention span is MUCH MUCH shorter so.....

 

[K1052]

The GE is still 15 months away. The average American attention span is MUCH MUCH shorter so.....

The people may have a short memory but business interests don't. They are becoming increasingly restless with how the GOP congressional majority is conducting themselves. Even the US Chamber of Commerce is looking to unseat incumbent GOP congressmen at this point its gotten so bad.

 

[theeedude]

This is what happens when you elect a party that hates government to govern.

 

[First]

I find the whole Planned Parenthood outrage odd; GOP will never convince women to give up their privacy rights, and faux outrage about legit fetal tissue harvesting may stoke the pro-life nutters who believe abortion is murder, but it just galvanizes/organizes the pro-choice left as much or more.

 

[Sonikku]

But 97% of what PP does is abortions.
Proof: A congressman said so!

 

[Newell Steamer]

Conservatives what to "prove" that the U.S. govt is worthless and needs to be done away with, so they can replace it with their own form of government - one that is selective in who it serves and who is allowed at the helm.

Conservatives clearly do not have an issue with a central entity dictating how people should live their lives; they do it themselves all the time.

 

[HTFOff]

This will not be divided along party lines like it was with the aca.

Long term, PP isn't going anywhere. However the outlook for PP receiving exorbitant sums of tax payer dollars looks dim. That will be nixed, inevitably. Certainly not with this president in the WH. But it is inevitable. And rightfully so.

In the meanwhile, hardline conservatives need to stop mucking shit up and turning this in to a referendum on abortion itself.

 

[theeedude]

A lot of low income women get their basic and preventative health care at PP. It's a great organization, and we should be increasing its funding, not cutting it. And certainly not shutting down the government to defund it because it facilitated their patients donating fetal tissue to life saving research.
How can you call yourself pro-life if you would rather this tissue be discarded than used to save lives?

 

[dank69]

Should have made this a poll, asking if conservatives think this is a good strategy, just for the lulz.

 

[Thump553]

It amazes me that GOP voters will consistently accept heavy altered and edited tapes as truth-just because they fit their world view-but will attack everyone else for even the slightest deviation. Remember all the crap CBS took for combining two tapes to show how GWB ducked the draft during Vietnam?

I guess to the GOP and their faithful everything is a partisan act, reality and truth be damned if they contradict it.

Personally I think another government shut down combined with a Trump nomination would be an ideal 1-2 punch. Go for it guys!!

 

[davmat787]

It amazes me that GOP voters will consistently accept heavy altered and edited tapes as truth-just because they fit their world view-but will attack everyone else for even the slightest deviation. Remember all the crap CBS took for combining two tapes to show how GWB ducked the draft during Vietnam?

I guess to the GOP and their faithful everything is a partisan act, reality and truth be damned if they contradict it.

Personally I think another government shut down combined with a Trump nomination would be an ideal 1-2 punch. Go for it guys!!

Confirmation bias... Everyone can be susceptible to it.

 

[Rustler]

wE REALLY WOULDNT MISS THE GOVERMENT ALL ESSENTIAL WOULD STILL RUN..........

 

[Screech]

Pretty sure the money that goes to PP ends up actually saving a lot of money elsewhere down the road (unwanted kids tend to result in government outlays in terms of food stamps, welfare, etc....), although its been a while since I've looked into the numbers admittedly. But this is the usual nonsense from congressional republicans, no surprise there.

 

[brycejones]

Pretty sure the money that goes to PP ends up actually saving a lot of money elsewhere down the road (unwanted kids tend to result in government outlays in terms of food stamps, welfare, etc....), although its been a while since I've looked into the numbers admittedly. But this is the usual nonsense from congressional republicans, no surprise there.

Well the focus is on the imaginary (opposition to birth control) or potential child (antiabortion) as sacred. Once the kid is out of the womb though they become a leach.

 

[Paratus]

Well if that happens it looks like the Wife and I will be off the first week in October. The last time we went and saw Gravity. This time I guess it will be The Martian.

 

[Screech]

Well the focus is on the imaginary (opposition to birth control) or potential child (antiabortion) as sacred. Once the kid is out of the womb though they become a leach.

Of course, but one of the arguments that usually is brought up by republicans amounts to "we should save money on this amoral something something government waste", which simply ends up being ironic. Better to spend $1 now than $10 later.

 

[theeedude]

Government money PP gets doesn't even get used for abortions.

 

[Atreus21]

Pretty sure the money that goes to PP ends up actually saving a lot of money elsewhere down the road (unwanted kids tend to result in government outlays in terms of food stamps, welfare, etc....), although its been a while since I've looked into the numbers admittedly. But this is the usual nonsense from congressional republicans, no surprise there.

Eugenics, baby. It's flippin' awesome.

 

[Screech]

Eugenics, baby. It's flippin' awesome.

Yeah, because there is only ever one ethnic group that is interested in birth control.
/rolleyes
[sarcasm if that is not obvious....]

 

[soundforbjt]

Well the focus is on the imaginary (opposition to birth control) or potential child (antiabortion) as sacred. Once the kid is out of the womb though they become a leach.

Yep, they wrap themselves up in the "Christian flag" until the kid is born, then go out of their way to cut programs designed to help the child & family survive.
How Christian of them.

 

[Atreus21]

Yeah, because there is only ever one ethnic group that is interested in birth control.
/rolleyes
[sarcasm if that is not obvious....]

Who said anything about ethnicity?

Your argument is that we should preemptively eliminate the disadvantaged.

That's eugenics.

 

[Atreus21]

Yep, they wrap themselves up in the "Christian flag" until the kid is born, then go out of their way to cut programs designed to help the child & family survive.
How Christian of them.

...whereas you guys want to kill the kid.

 

[Screech]

Who said anything about ethnicity?

Your argument is that we should preemptively eliminate the disadvantaged.

That's eugenics.

It isn't, but you already knew that. Cheers!

edit: my argument -- which is supported pretty much everywhere -- is that when people can choose when to start a family, things work out better for them in the future, which pretty much everyone knows. Not "lets kill all poor people".

 

[Atreus21]

It isn't, but you already knew that. Cheers!

Cheers, then.

The study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics)