Slow driver in fast lane

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
Yield to passing vehicles

Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall safely move to the right-hand side of the highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle after an audible signal or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

Well, that's cool. I'm always glad to see the rules as such.
Nothing is said about lane requirement( ie can't be in the "Fast Lane"), Passing on the right is permitted, or having to allow speeders to force me into unsafe actions.

I guess we may have a different definition of what constitutes when it's safe to move to the right.
If you're behind me, you'll have to defer to mine.
You'll just have to go around if you're in such a hurry and if you don't let me pull over safely

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I guess we may have a different definition of what constitutes when it's safe to move to the right.
If you're behind me, you'll have to defer to mine.
You'll just have to go around if you're in such a hurry and if you don't let me pull over safely

I think you're getting me confused with the original poster who was in such a hurry. He is using the same avatar as I am , but that's not me.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
This is from your Very First Post....

I was coming home right now and was doing a good 80 mph or so and a car was in front me doing about 65 speed limit....

Is there still something I missed about you breaking the speed limit? Or do you get a special permit to do 80???

Yes, there is something you missed... such as the name of the poster. Check it out, that wasn't me.

LOL, You're right.... all you speeders look like red taillights to me....
<maxwell smart> sorry about that.....</maxwell smart>

<Pulling over to take a nap......

 

[Marshallj]

lol, that's alright... don't worry about it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: cmv
It would be really cool if police forces had the occasional "piss poor driver day" where they only ticked people who tailgate, don't use their turn signals, fail to make complete stops, drive slow in the left lane, etc. That would really make my day!

Yeah I know...

The other day I almost witnessed an accident. The guy was in the middle lane and I guess realized that he wanted to take the exit to the right. Instead of continuing on and turning around when he got the chance, he instead STOPPED in the middle lane on the highway and held up traffic while he waited until he could cut over and take the exit.

I have seen this happen on I-85 in Atlanta with a posted speed limit of 65MPH. Idiots actually stopping in the middle lane because they realized they were going to pass the Jimmy Carter exit. They could simply get back to Jimmy Carter via the next exit that you can actually see from that exit they are so close. These are the kind of people that need to be ticketed and educated badly.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Lithium381
[on the money! while maybe not the law, some people just aren't courtious of other people on the road

Exactly.

Some people are self-centered and they justify it in their own mind to hold up traffic behind them. They say to themselves "I'm doing the speed limit and NOBODY should pass me".

Unfortunately for them that's not the law, and they can be pulled over if they obstruct traffic like that.

you're not obstructing traffic driving the speed limit. you have to be driving significantly slower than the speed limit to be obstructing traffic.

State law (RCW 46.61.100) specifies that drivers are to return to their original lanes after passing another vehicle, except when preparing to make a left turn or when the driver is traveling faster than the general flow.

A violation can bring a $71 ticket.

You'll also be adding to the general frustration of other motorists or state troopers who want or need to get around you.

I have to look and see if Georgia has such a law, if they do it is certainly not enforced. There are drivers doing less than the speed limit in the left lane all the time especially Tractor Trailers now. Semi drivers used to be the best drivers and now most of the time they are the worst. My own personal study finds it is mainly Semi's causing the major traffic log jams during rush hours now. If there was a way to encourage Semi's to take a break during rush hour traffic would be a heck of a lot better.

By the Way - The original Poster that was doing 80 in the left lane coming up behind the lady doing the 65 speed limit is also a reason we have so many wrecks. Someone give this guy a ticket and a lesson. The lady hanging out in the left lane is not right but doing 80 out there is a lot worse.

 

[rufruf44]

In Colorado you can get cited for blocking faster traffic in the left lane.

 

[rh71]

I couldn't find the law in NY that states the "Passing Lane" is strictly for passing and not cruising. I've seen sections of highways (Palisades Pkwy for one) with signs up, but not anywhere else. I'd like to know if this law/rule applies for all highways in NY, because it sure as hell isn't exemplified on any of them. LIE, Southern State, Belt Pkwy... all high volume traffic and ALL lanes are used in the same manner.

I wish I could find the law saying what Marshall thinks is true for NY also... but I don't think one exists. Again, I take it upon myself to use all lanes available to get around slow traffic. If you're going to use high beams on someone, do it from afar first. I'd take that better than someone who tailgated me first before doing it.

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: Ylen13
I hate when people don't understand that the reason fast lane is called that way is that it?s the lane were people like to go fast. I was coming home right now and was doing a good 80 mph or so and a car was in front me doing about 65 speed limit. So I flashed my headlights so she would notice me and move. Guess what she didn't, forcing me not only to slow down to 65 in order to avoid hitting the car as I couldn?t change lane at that second as a car was next to me on the other lane and that car could have change lane with no problem and also forcing me change lanes just so I can get around it.. I am petty sure you know who was driving, if you guess it was a female you are correct. It was a young girl maybe would say 19 or 20 and she didn't understand why I even flashed. Don't the driving school teach people that when you are in a fast lane you better be going the speed the traffic is going in that lane?

<sarcasm>If I happen to be in the left lane and someone comes up behind me flashing their lights, I slow down. Here in East Texas, that's the universal sign for police ahead, and I don't want to get a ticket.</sarcasm>

Nothing irritates me more on the highway than having someone get up behind me and start flashing their high beams in my rearview mirror, especially if I'm already going 5-10 mph over the posted limit.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you're not obstructing traffic driving the speed limit. you have to be driving significantly slower than the speed limit to be obstructing traffic.

You're missing the point. You are not allowed to drive in the passing lane at all, no matter what speed you're going. That lane is for passing only.

Nobody is justified to cruise along in the passing lane.

Another NJ resident here confirming the law that left lane is for PASSING ONLY. There are as many signs saying this on NJ highways as there are speed limit signs.

Bottom line is this:
- If I'm speeding then I AM breaking the law.
- If you're cruising in the left lane then YOU ARE breaking the law - irrespective of your speed.

I'm aware this law is particularly highlighted in NJ and other states do not have such laws or enforcement. Which is why you will find NJ drivers tend to give way easily but out of state drivers tend to pigheadedly hog the left lane (pet NJ peeve).

Which is also why it is easier to drive fast on NJ roads as the left lane is usually speeding uniformly.

And for those of you who say speed kills - speed does NOT kill. There are enough studies that confirm this - even some done by the National Transportation Safety Board but were kept low key because the powers that be wanted to retain speed limits for other political reasons.

Bad driving kills.

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: KC5AV

Originally posted by: Ylen13
I hate when people don't understand that the reason fast lane is called that way is that it?s the lane were people like to go fast. I was coming home right now and was doing a good 80 mph or so and a car was in front me doing about 65 speed limit. So I flashed my headlights so she would notice me and move. Guess what she didn't, forcing me not only to slow down to 65 in order to avoid hitting the car as I couldn?t change lane at that second as a car was next to me on the other lane and that car could have change lane with no problem and also forcing me change lanes just so I can get around it.. I am petty sure you know who was driving, if you guess it was a female you are correct. It was a young girl maybe would say 19 or 20 and she didn't understand why I even flashed. Don't the driving school teach people that when you are in a fast lane you better be going the speed the traffic is going in that lane?

<sarcasm>If I happen to be in the left lane and someone comes up behind me flashing their lights, I slow down. Here in East Texas, that's the universal sign for police ahead, and I don't want to get a ticket.</sarcasm>

Nothing irritates me more on the highway than having someone get up behind me and start flashing their high beams in my rearview mirror, especially if I'm already going 5-10 mph over the posted limit.

How about when somebody pulls up behind you and the lights are multicolored and maybe accompanied by a siren?

Proof to me the other day that there is no "fast lane." If you want to call the left lane your own personal autobahn, you're nothing more than a road hazard. And you will be pulled over. Maybe you'll get away with it 99.9% of the time, but rest assured, you will be pulled over.

That said, it's generally courteous to let speeders speed... but let me give you an example. I get pulled over for doing around 20mph over the speed limit. This lowers my tolerance to personal speeding. Later the same day, the truck on the right is doing 45 mph. I don't want to do 45 mph, so I accelerate to 60 and get in the passing lane. As I do, the truck accelerates. Soon, we're driving side-by-side. Moron doing 90 gets behind me and starts flashing his lights, honking, and waving for me to get over. How rude. I begin looking up the road... oh there he is. Highway road patrol. Technically it will be illegal for me to accelerate to pass the truck at this point, so I slow down and change lanes back to the right. Moron behind me passes, waving a certain finger and staring at me while he passes around both me and the truck, accelerates to ~90mph, and gets pulled over.

Serves him right, in my opinion, and while it was kind of sneaky to find a cop before getting over, I really don't see a problem with the way I handled the situation. I don't refuse to speed because I don't like driving or can't drive fast. I refuse because it's illegal, and as they said in the Matrix, "[I've] been down that road. [ I ] know where it leads. And I know [ I ] don't want to go there."

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Ylen13, I mean this in the most loving and caring way....

You are a dumbass.

 

[dmcowen674]

Bad driving kills.

Amen

It's uneducated Bad Drivers. Very few people ever go through any kind of training or rules of the road anymore. Rules of the road have gone out the window and needs to be brought back.

They just started this year in Georgia that you have to take the driving test on the actual road and not a parking lot with cones.

 

[OutHouse]

dude you arent on the autobahn, and there is no such thing as a "fast lane" its the posted speed limit lane. I normally go about 10 mph over when i drive the left lane and if some moron flashes me to move over i slow down.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Ylen13

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Marshallj
They are required by law to get out of your way if they're in the left lane and you are trying to pass them. If you're speeding, then it's the police's job to pull you over. But other drivers should never take it upon themselves to intentionally hold you up or "teach you a lesson".

No, they are required to operate their vehicle in a safe manner. I do not have any responsibility to enable you to engage in Road Racing on public highways. If you're tailgating me after speeding up on my ass, you'll be the one going around. Because chance s are you won't give someone the time to make a safe lane change. It is not illegal to pass on the right in CA., so pass on it if you're in such a hurry. It is not mandatory to yield for someone exceeding the speed limit who is not properly displaying emergency vehicle warning lights. Blinking your lights as a signal to pass is only a legitimate signal in Germany on the Autobahn. It has NO LEGAL basis in CA. The only "blinking light" signal that is dictated is the one to dim one's headlights.
If you worry about how you drive and not about what someone's intentions may or may not be, you'll be better off, IMO.
I didn't realize you could determine that they were intentionally trying hold you up by the back of someone's car....

What an arrogant comment.....

It?s not hard to tell when the person is doing intentionally or not. Usually after you flash your lights and in my case it was getting dark and my flashing was pretty visible the driver will move when it safe and that is all I am asking. I wouldn?t want her/him to change lanes and cause an accident just so I can pass. However when they are looking in the mirror and continue driving without changing lanes even do they see you behind them, then its pretty easy to say they are doing it intentionally.

I tend to drive faster than the majority of people so I use the left lane to pass more than most. However, there are occasions when I am blocking the left lane for people who want to go faster than me. If they reach my bumper quickly (hitting their brakes at the last second) and then ride it until I move over, then I will not move over. In fact I will probably slow down to make their life more difficult.

I have no tolerance for someone riding my bumper and putting us both in a situation where an accident is likely.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Ylen13

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Marshallj
They are required by law to get out of your way if they're in the left lane and you are trying to pass them. If you're speeding, then it's the police's job to pull you over. But other drivers should never take it upon themselves to intentionally hold you up or "teach you a lesson".

No, they are required to operate their vehicle in a safe manner. I do not have any responsibility to enable you to engage in Road Racing on public highways. If you're tailgating me after speeding up on my ass, you'll be the one going around. Because chance s are you won't give someone the time to make a safe lane change. It is not illegal to pass on the right in CA., so pass on it if you're in such a hurry. It is not mandatory to yield for someone exceeding the speed limit who is not properly displaying emergency vehicle warning lights. Blinking your lights as a signal to pass is only a legitimate signal in Germany on the Autobahn. It has NO LEGAL basis in CA. The only "blinking light" signal that is dictated is the one to dim one's headlights.
If you worry about how you drive and not about what someone's intentions may or may not be, you'll be better off, IMO.
I didn't realize you could determine that they were intentionally trying hold you up by the back of someone's car....

What an arrogant comment.....

It?s not hard to tell when the person is doing intentionally or not. Usually after you flash your lights and in my case it was getting dark and my flashing was pretty visible the driver will move when it safe and that is all I am asking. I wouldn?t want her/him to change lanes and cause an accident just so I can pass. However when they are looking in the mirror and continue driving without changing lanes even do they see you behind them, then its pretty easy to say they are doing it intentionally.

I tend to drive faster than the majority of people so I use the left lane to pass more than most. However, there are occasions when I am blocking the left lane for people who want to go faster than me. If they reach my bumper quickly (hitting their brakes at the last second) and then ride it until I move over, then I will not move over. In fact I will probably slow down to make their life more difficult.

I have no tolerance for someone riding my bumper and putting us both in a situation where an accident is likely.

Yet if the lane was clear you could have gotten over. You are putting yourself at as much risk by trying to control their driving. Why not just get over if the lane is clear to your right? Holding them up could easily create a chain reaction if someone behind them was NOT paying attention. It is all relative my friend.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Citrix
dude you arent on the autobahn, and there is no such thing as a "fast lane" its the posted speed limit lane. I normally go about 10 mph over when i drive the left lane and if some moron flashes me to move over i slow down.

It isn't the "posted speed limit lane", it's the passing lane. You should not be cruising in that lane at all, regardless of your speed. It's used for passing someone and that's it. If someone is trying to pass you, that's the lane they should pass you in. You are not allowed to clog up that lane by cruising along in it, even if someone wasn't trying to pass you.

Get it? It's used for passing only.

 

[XZeroII]

Hey loser, the speed limit is 65, so why are you going 80 in the first place? Get over it.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Hey loser, the speed limit is 65, so why are you going 80 in the first place? Get over it.

Are you talking to me?

 

[Marshallj]

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Lithium381
[on the money! while maybe not the law, some people just aren't courtious of other people on the road

Exactly.

Some people are self-centered and they justify it in their own mind to hold up traffic behind them. They say to themselves "I'm doing the speed limit and NOBODY should pass me".

Unfortunately for them that's not the law, and they can be pulled over if they obstruct traffic like that.

you're not obstructing traffic driving the speed limit. you have to be driving significantly slower than the speed limit to be obstructing traffic.

State law (RCW 46.61.100) specifies that drivers are to return to their original lanes after passing another vehicle, except when preparing to make a left turn or when the driver is traveling faster than the general flow.

A violation can bring a $71 ticket.

You'll also be adding to the general frustration of other motorists or state troopers who want or need to get around you.

I have to look and see if Georgia has such a law, if they do it is certainly not enforced. There are drivers doing less than the speed limit in the left lane all the time especially Tractor Trailers now. Semi drivers used to be the best drivers and now most of the time they are the worst. My own personal study finds it is mainly Semi's causing the major traffic log jams during rush hours now. If there was a way to encourage Semi's to take a break during rush hour traffic would be a heck of a lot better.

By the Way - The original Poster that was doing 80 in the left lane coming up behind the lady doing the 65 speed limit is also a reason we have so many wrecks. Someone give this guy a ticket and a lesson. The lady hanging out in the left lane is not right but doing 80 out there is a lot worse.

Well I guess you never driven in Los Angeles. Allot of people here go much faster then speed limit. If you ever come to late drive on 118 and you will see most of the time most people will be doing 80+. Is it danger for me to drive 80,yes but its my risk to take and no reason for someone decide to be a citizen cop and hold me back just because I am breaking the law. Also yes I am breaking the law and taking chance of getting speeding ticket, but again it?s my risk to take. If someone don?t want to take that risk fine don?t take it but if possible stay out of my way (lane)

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Citrix
dude you arent on the autobahn, and there is no such thing as a "fast lane" its the posted speed limit lane. I normally go about 10 mph over when i drive the left lane and if some moron flashes me to move over i slow down.

It isn't the "posted speed limit lane", it's the passing lane. You should not be cruising in that lane at all, regardless of your speed. It's used for passing someone and that's it. If someone is trying to pass you, that's the lane they should pass you in. You are not allowed to clog up that lane by cruising along in it, even if someone wasn't trying to pass you.

Get it? It's used for passing only.

Actually it is dependant upon the state smartass. In Alabama trucks are supposed to the stay to the right and other vehicles are supposed to stay in the center or left lanes.

Law for AL

Secondly, the part about the trucks is LAW because there are signs that say trucks must be in the left lane. If you read the law it says a traffic control device/sign is the defacto protocol for that section of highway. Unless the sign says to stay out of the left lane there is NO restriction. It VARYS by state. I am sure GA, CA, TX and other states have different versions of laws. Don't you think so?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Actually it is dependant upon the state smartass. [/quote]

What's with the "smartass" comment? That was uncalled for. Address the point, do not attack the person.

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Millennium

Actually it is dependant upon the state smartass.

What's with the "smartass" comment? That was uncalled for. Address the point, do not attack the person.[/quote]

LOL, is this a reference to your young, opiniated thread

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Millennium

Actually it is dependant upon the state smartass.

What's with the "smartass" comment? That was uncalled for. Address the point, do not attack the person.[/quote]

The whole "Get it?" and the tone of the post. I did address your point but now you are dodging it.