Sick of ATT service? Operation Chokehold on Friday :)

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Pliablemoose

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And yet people still use them. The allure of the Jesus Phone is just too much I suppose.

That's the other thing, ATT's exclusive iPhone contract expires in June, the iPhone will likely be available on other carriers ofter June, if Apple puts in the radio for TMobile (pretty easy to do, versus adding CDMA) ATT's in some deep shit, and that's one of the reasons they've been on the defensive lately...

We may see a TMobile compatible iPhone in 2010, and we'll see a Verizon iPhone likely towards the end of 2010 or early 2011.
 

garritynet

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Hmm.....so you think ATT charges too much for their service? And you also think that they should spend their profits and marketing budget on increasing their network's, which spans the entire United States, bandwidth? And you want them to do this on the grounds that people will be willing to pay more, in our current economy, for better service? Or do you think they should do it for free? Especially when the vast majority**people bitching on the internet does not equal majority** of their customers are just fine with the service they have now? And they should scrap their much cheaper, much-more-effective-at-generating-income-marketing to fund this little project? Sweet.

I think everyone is mad because ATT would rather run a sucessful, smart business than chase the performance crown for the minority of their customers who can't understand the limitations of 3g and the cost of replacing the infrastructure. I mean when you're doing as well as they are right now, any one complaining is obviously in the minority. I think ATT is keeping their profits high so confidence in their company remain high so their stocks remain high. When the status quo changes, i.e. confidence in the economy recovers/the iPhone is no longer exclusive/Verizion starts rolling out 4g, expect an announcement from ATT about their 4g plans.


The iPhone, heavily subsidized by AT&T, accounted for 1.9 million activations in the quarter -- 40% of them were new AT&T customers. However, the AT&T subsidies cost the telecom some $450 million in profits in the quarter. That isn't necessarily bad news, though, as AT&T expects to get all that back and more to boot as data-hungry iPhone users continue to sign up for more and more data.

If 1.9 million new iPhone users cost 450 million in subsidies then the iPhone cost ATT about $237 per and cost you $99 (I am just going to use this since 94% of iPhones are 8gb models). So the total cost is about $336 for the device.

Then there is the cost of service.

Their individual plans cost the same as non-iPhone plans and are competitive with other carriers. Their data cost twice as much and you have to have it. That nets them an additional $300. So in the end you are paying about $400 for your iPhone and then the cost of service. Which is the best service. And cost the same as everyone else service. Also $400 is cheaper than the cheapest NIB current gen 8gb iPhone you can find. So basically you are paying a fair rate for your phone and you can't get better service anywhere else. But your still mad?
 
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Pliablemoose

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But your still mad?

I'm a TMobile customer, have been for years. I currently have a subsidy contract through them, and need to renew and sell the phones on eBay (I have a family plan with 3 lines of service, 2 using iPhones, I use a G1)

I buy my phones off eBay, etc... haven't used a subsidized phone in years.
 

jersiq

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That's the other thing, ATT's exclusive iPhone contract expires in June, the iPhone will likely be available on other carriers ofter June, if Apple puts in the radio for TMobile (pretty easy to do, versus adding CDMA) ATT's in some deep shit, and that's one of the reasons they've been on the defensive lately...

We may see a TMobile compatible iPhone in 2010, and we'll see a Verizon iPhone likely towards the end of 2010 or early 2011.

It's amazing how you think T-Mobile will do well with a large influx of new customers.
 

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and grandma sure as shit doesn't need any 3G.

Seriously... MOST people don't need 3G. Most people don't even know what 3G means. I think more people would be confused by the Verizon ads (to believe that the AT&T map represents ALL of AT&T's coverage) than would be confused by AT&T's ads.
 
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http://www.cultofmac.com/att-responds-to-fake-steves-operation-chokehold/23509

Let's talk a bit about what ATT has been up to lately:

1.) Attempted to sue Verizon's ads off TV & the net

2.) Ranked as the WORST carrier by Consumer Reports

3.) Put out those misleading ads to confuse your grandma about EDGE VS 3G service

4.) Claimed the iPhone was responsible because of bad engineering (funny how no where else in the world do iPhones cause dropped calls and how other phones have problems with dropped calls)

Yeah, ATT's a real class act...

Dropped calls is both a problem of the firmware AND the network. Initially a lot of dropped calls were because of the 2.0 OS. They fixed that but that was enough to put a dent in the iPhone. People just kept screaming dropped calls. I believe the dropped calls aren't as bad from what I notice now, and yes I hear dropped call reports on HoFo for other networks too. I do realize a large portion comes from AT&T simply because I get dropped calls on other phones too.... but a lot of the iPhone haters whining about dropped calls are really just taking stuff from the 2.0 firmware when there were significant issues there that were later resolved in 2.1.
 

zerocool84

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Dropped calls is both a problem of the firmware AND the network. Initially a lot of dropped calls were because of the 2.0 OS. They fixed that but that was enough to put a dent in the iPhone. People just kept screaming dropped calls. I believe the dropped calls aren't as bad from what I notice now, and yes I hear dropped call reports on HoFo for other networks too. I do realize a large portion comes from AT&T simply because I get dropped calls on other phones too.... but a lot of the iPhone haters whining about dropped calls are really just taking stuff from the 2.0 firmware when there were significant issues there that were later resolved in 2.1.

Well they wouldn't complain about it if it wasn't happening any more. I know too many people here in LA with tons of dropped calls and no service. Hell I know many people that have a Sprint or Verizon Mifi cus of AT&T's poor reliability.
 

Bateluer

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I think this will be amusing to watch. I dislike AT&T, but, honestly, its going just going to make them scream against their customers and try to raise data rates.
 

Pliablemoose

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It's amazing how you think T-Mobile will do well with a large influx of new customers.

LOL, I never said that, it'd kill them too.

And an update, the idea is gaining some momentum :)

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/12/15/fake-steve-declares-operation-chokehold-on-att/?mod=yahoo_hs

Supposedly ATT has given special training to it's CSR's and have canned excuses already made up for Friday, they've arranged to have back up CSR's on standby too.

Also, ATT network expenditures are down by 30% over the last 2 years, and data revenue is up 80%.
 
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Firsttime

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This is why I don't use a smart phone. There is more then enough WiFi in my life to go without one.
 

BoomerD

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I ROFL at people who believe shit like this will really make a difference to the corporations.
"Overload AT&T's system on Friday"
"Don't buy gasoline on Tuesday"

Stupid ideas that sound good if you don't really think about them, but if even the average person applies a bit of thought to the ideas, they fall on their faces.

We were with the same carrier from the early 90's...our first phone was a "bag phone" that we bought separately from the service. It was illegal back then to bundle phones and service. That was AirTouch cellular. Then, IIRC, they were called something else for a short time, then AT&T, then Cingular, now back to AT&T.
The service did improve greatly over the years, but IMO, never lived up to the hype and commercials.
We made a drive from Kahleeforneeya to Wisconsin a few years ago. "More bars in more areas?" Only if you're talking about places that sell beer and cocktails. Our cell service sucked for about 1/3 of the trip. (anywhere away from the major interstates in many states, there was little or no signal at all)

Are any of the other carries any better overall? I doubt it.
 

Pliablemoose

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AT&T: Chokehold is “irresponsible and pointless”

That’s what they told Cult of Mac in a statement tonight, and all I can say in response is, Um, have you read this blog before? Irresponsible and pointless are pretty much all we do around here.
But yes, we feel chastened. Frankly, we should be ashamed of ourselves.
Then again, at least we didn’t rake in $40 billion in revenues and $10 billion in profit over the past nine months by selling a wireless network that doesn’t work right.

And at least we’re not saying one thing in our advertising (unlimited!) and another thing when we talk to investors at Wall Street conferences.
As for Chokehold, people keep asking me if I think it will succeed. My answer is that it already has. Have you seen the coverage of this thing? It’s all over Twitter. Tonight it hit the Wall Street Journal. Who knew there was so much anger out there? As far as I’m concerned, it’s mission accomplished.
I think the reason people are so angry goes beyond AT&T and the iPhone. I think the anger stems from the fact that we’re living in the United States, which used to be considered a First World country, and yet we’re dealing with a wireless system that feels like something you’d find in Port-au-Prince during hurricane season. In fact the developing world is racing past us, building out new wireless networks while we’re stuck with this POS legacy infrastructure run by POS legacy behemoths that either can’t or won’t bring it up to snuff.
I mean, consider this fact:
AT&T, a huge wireless provider in the United States, cannot reliably connect calls in New York City.
How can this be?
But AT&T has a much bigger problem on its hands. The problem is that the wireless data explosion is just beginning. This 3% of AT&T users who are supposedly accounting for 40% of bandwidth use? Pretty soon that 3% is going to become 30%.
The whole point of having these mobile devices is to consume data. This is not just about the iPhone. There’s the Droid, and the Pre, and soon there will be the Nexus One and a zillion other Android phones. Plus all the tablets. This is the future. We are going to carry these devices and use them as our televisions, our radios, our newspapers.
The appetite for bandwidth will be insatiable. The network operators that will prosper will be the ones that can keep up with the demand. The ones who don’t will get left behind. Sure, for now companies like AT&T can hang on to customers with exploitative contracts and exclusivity deals. But at some point, and I think it will be soon, the network operators will have to compete, for real, based on quality of service.
The fact that AT&T is already bonking, here in the first five minutes of a 60-minute game, is terrifying. It’s their own fault, of course. Go look at their financial statements and open up the Financial Operations and Statistics Summary and look at capital expenditures over the past eight quarters. I’m no math whiz, but it looks like capex has gone down by about 30% over the time period. Scroll down a bit to the Wireless section and check out data revenues — they’re up 80% over the same period.
Irresponsible? Pointless? Yes, that sounds familiar.
 
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I can't wait to see this fizzle out and see the people hyping it try to bury it like it never happened. It's going to be Ron Paul's presidential bid all over again.
 

thescreensavers

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ATT customers are stuck with ATT with their phones because we have 2 different versions of 3G service here.

2 major carriers offer 3G TMobile & ATT, and their networks aren't compatible.

Europe>US cell networks.

You forgot about Verizon? Their whole network is 3g. Tmobile cant compete with ATT or VZW, most of the time its ATT vs VZW hence the new commercials
 

TruePaige

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You forgot about Verizon? Their whole network is 3g. Tmobile cant compete with ATT or VZW, most of the time its ATT vs VZW hence the new commercials

Perhaps he meant to say GSM as T-Mobile and AT&T both have GSM networks that are incompatible. This means someone with an AT&T phone can't just take their phone to T-Mobile and expect it to work, even if the phone is unlocked, in most cases.
 

Praxis1452

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I can't wait to see this fizzle out and see the people hyping it try to bury it like it never happened. It's going to be Ron Paul's presidential bid all over again.

I don't think anyone, even his supporters, thought he was going to win. But many sure like him. .
 

Steve

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Sure do love my $30/month Sprint SERO plan with unlimited data. I even managed to score free BIS for a year, and a brand new Curve for $100 from Craigslist. After that year, BIS will be $10/month.
 

SunSamurai

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Then get a different phone. This isn't rocket surgery, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to use the iPhone. I know many of the details of the situation because I listen to Californians moan about this every day on Buzz Out Loud podcast (to the point where I've stopped listening, this takes so much time up). First of all anyone who signs a 2 year contract to use a phone is a Category 5 Moron, secondly you don't have to use the Jesus Phone.

So, you are supporting a DDOS type attack on a mobile ISP...


Youre both dumb as a brick. If this were happening to you you would be none too happy about it. Or maybe you just like to take it up the ass without standing up for your rights? I can understand GodlessAstronomer, he is from a backwater nation so he doesn't have to understand how it works here. :)
 

SunSamurai

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I can't wait to see this fizzle out and see the people hyping it try to bury it like it never happened. It's going to be Ron Paul's presidential bid all over again.

You don't understand that either way, a point is made, or did this totally escape your quick wit and comprehension?


1. If their systems fuck up, they are going to be in a PR nightmare and possibly lawsuit nightmare for trying to sell what they do not have.
2. If nothing fucks up, then they are going to be in a PR nightmare when they try and explain away that what they said that started all this, was complete and utter bullshit.