Should this cop have been charged?

[CZroe]

Anyway, more on topic: The hit looked very retaliatory, though I am inclined to say that it is justified in that her restraints weren't enough to deter her from attacking and, thus, she needed more force/discouragement.

 

[waggy]

he is not delving out punishment.

he is incapacitating a suspect who is out to do continued harm.

if you do not believe police should be able to stop a person from continued harm of others... then you don't believe police should carry a gun.. or a baton... or a stun gun..

after all... the suspect shooting at you should stop once you ask him nicely to come quietly, right?

your post is idiotic.

she was in handcuffs. she tried to kick him all he had to do was step back. IF she tried something while getting her in the car or such then yeah do what is needed.

When he kicked her she was sitting on the ground in handcuffs.. his kick was not needed.

should he be fired or charged? no. but yes it should go on his record and yes a small punishment is in order.

 

[slayer202]

what's your main account, op?

 

[guyver01]

she was in handcuffs. she tried to kick him all he had to do was step back. IF she tried something while getting her in the car or such then yeah do what is needed.

When he kicked her she was sitting on the ground in handcuffs.. his kick was not needed.

and thus the problem with sites like 'live leak'...

you do not see ANY of the before video... or know anything that occurred before.

based on other articles..

In the video, Levesque moves her leg to apparently try to kick Krawetz, who said when it happened, he was getting ready to look inside her purse for identification. Krawetz said she told him not to touch her purse, and a few moments later, he kicks her.

Levesque was originally removed from the bar for behavior that showed "little regard for those around her," according to testimony.

and what happened POST kick? was she knocked out? did she continue to writhe around kicking? that would answer alot too?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

What a lot of cops gets wrong is the way they approach or talk to the people especially when he wants to arrest them. In my seven plus years I never had to use handcuffs nor assault anyone except on one occasion where a DUI headbutted me when I asked for his keys to take him home. But did I beat the crap out of him? No Just choked till he calmed down and gave him a sleeping place till the next morning.

Even some of the hardest of criminals and gun slingers. Treat them like a human not pig because we all are human and deserve that. You normally get more cooperation that way. Disrespect me and I will disrespect them as well. Once they are at a police station their in your back yard. They know that.

Hitting a person handcuffed is like beating your kids for fun. Hes restrained. You got training how to restraint suspects plus theres things like Tazers and pepper spray. Use those rather as hitting one with the fist can get you into more hotwater than spraying them senseless with pepper spray or sending thousands of volts through them

 

[airdata]

your post is idiotic.

she was in handcuffs. she tried to kick him all he had to do was step back. IF she tried something while getting her in the car or such then yeah do what is needed.

When he kicked her she was sitting on the ground in handcuffs.. his kick was not needed.

should he be fired or charged? no. but yes it should go on his record and yes a small punishment is in order.

I agree with most of your post.

Perhaps they should put him on paid vacation. That seems to be one of the most popular LEO punishments.

and thus the problem with sites like 'live leak'...

you do not see ANY of the before video... or know anything that occurred before.

based on other articles..

Context isn't very relevant here... she's cuffed, sitting on the ground, and in america a head kick isn't appropriate action for a guy carrying a badge and gun.

 

[waggy]

and thus the problem with sites like 'live leak'...

you do not see ANY of the before video... or know anything that occurred before.

based on other articles..

yes and that's why she was arrested. NONE of that matters when it comes to the kick in the back of the head.


yes she slapped a guy and tried to trip the officer t hen tried to kick him again. AT that point she was in handcuffs. all he had to do was step back instead he kicked a handcuffed person in the back of the head.

 

[guyver01]

he kicked a handcuffed person in the back of the head.

and what happened post kick?

was it hard enough to knock her unconcious?
or was it just a tap that she continue kicking and writing around on the ground?

 

[waggy]

Anyway, more on topic: The hit looked very retaliatory, though I am inclined to say that it is justified in that her restraints weren't enough to deter her from attacking and, thus, she needed more force/discouragement.

shackle her. even if force was used.

kicking her in the back of the head i would list as assault.

 

[waggy]

and what happened post kick?

was it hard enough to knock her unconcious?
or was it just a tap that she continue kicking and writing around on the ground?

that don't matter either. She was handcuffed and sitting on the ground. he could have taken a step back (and tacked on another count of assault on her). instead he retalitated and kicked her in the back of the head.

 

[kyrax12]

This is why police don't want you video taping them. He should absolutely be charged and disciplined.

A weak kick (possible miss) to the legs doesn't warrant a head kick when she's already cuffed...

If you really think that's self defense guyver, I'm not sure there's any hope for you. Self defense goes out the window when she's cuffed and on the ground. I'd agree she should get something like resisting arrest. But a head kick can cause injury, a weak kick while sitting down... please.

Bottom line is that the officer made a heat of the moment inappropriate reaction that happens to be assault. He shouldn't have touched her for the equivalent of a 5 year old kicking his shin.

this.. I can't see why people would be supporting the cop's action.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

and what happened post kick?

was it hard enough to knock her unconcious?
or was it just a tap that she continue kicking and writing around on the ground?

Still he used his feet to kick her. Its not part of restraining protocol.
Then she was already restrained. He's been trained in hand and wrist pressure techniques as well as other grips like choking. Why did he not use that. Same with the Tonfa(Batton). Theres grappling manoevres with it to restraint a person without bloodshed and serious injuries. Wrist drag quickly into the Cells/Vehicle under 3 seconds

 

[guyver01]

Same with the Tonfa(Batton).

are you saying he shoulda beat her with a stick instead?

 

[BoomerD]

I saw nothing all that wrong with what the cop did. She asked to get her ass kicked...although IMO he DID go a bit overboard...

Of course, I grew up in an era when the cops would have taken their batons to her for that...those fucking "billy clubs" HURT like a mofo...(yes, from personal experience) MUCH worse than a mild kick to the back of the head...

"Civil rights" violation not found...Since the cop is being charged with assault, apparently the district attorney sees it differently than I do however...and there's a very good chance he's going to be convicted.

 

[pontifex]

This. Like it or not, LEOs should be held to a higher standard, which means not retaliating at a handcuffed woman sticking her leg out by kicking her in the face.


Disgusting, although the outcome is not surprising.

lol, sticking her leg out.she intentionally kicked the officer

 

[Howard]

if i was her i would sue the shit out of the dept for deliberating headaches, neck-pain, depression and violating my civil rights. that tape is worth a gold mine.

Did you mean debilitating? Or that she now gets headaches when she thinks too hard?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

are you saying he shoulda beat her with a stick instead?

No. The main purpose of the Tonfa/Batton is grapling techniques. Beating baseball style to the head or body you see on TV does not get taught at any Police training . Grips in restraining a person does. The arm drag. You can twist his arm in behind him with it. The only hit they show with it is a fwd push into the stomach area where you control the front of the batton with your one hand. Thats it. That crap you see on tv is unlawful.

 

[TheVrolok]

I don't know the letter of the law and what he should be charged with; but what he did was completely unacceptable and he should be disciplined or charged with something as seen fit by the judge.

 

[Reasonable Doubt]

what's your main account, op?

This is the only account I have.

 

[SandEagle]

I saw nothing all that wrong with what the cop did.

snip....old man rant....

Boomer, I didn't know you were Afghanistani. :awe:

 

[Broheim]

Agreed, especially the highlighted. A lot of cops don't bother with self-restraint because they don't need to, they get away with it 99% of the time.

Even in this modern age, they get away with it more times then naught because so many are afraid to videotape them, or will delete whatever is being recorded as soon as the officer asks them too. Which would be basically be 100% of the time if the officer sees that he/she is being recorded

the problem with videotaping cops was all too clear with a viral video a couple of days ago (uploaded by a local newspaper if I remember right), the video showed a cop planting evidence in a suspects car.
but when the police released the full video it was quite clear that the cop did not plant the evidence and that the first video had simply been edited to make the cop look bad and cause an uproar.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

What's the difference between a British and an Iraqi soldier?

Don't know?

Welcome to the United States Air Force, son!

 

[pontifex]

that don't matter either. She was handcuffed and sitting on the ground. he could have taken a step back (and tacked on another count of assault on her). instead he retalitated and kicked her in the back of the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaOxEtpyDQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dqpHbRJ_uU

 

[3chordcharlie]

I think the problem is not allowing people who are under arrest to have their guns.

If she had her gun, when he kicked her in the head, she could have shot him, and then everything would be okay.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

the problem with videotaping cops was all too clear with a viral video a couple of days ago (uploaded by a local newspaper if I remember right), the video showed a cop planting evidence in a suspects car.
but when the police released the full video it was quite clear that the cop did not plant the evidence and that the first video had simply been edited to make the cop look bad and cause an uproar.

Dont see the purpose of planting evidence as you can just arrest him and go lie in the court that you got it on his possesion. They do it here a lot with the drug arrests. They throw the stuff in the bushes when they see you. So you go find it arrest him and say in your statement it was in his possesion. He knows it was his and you know it was his. So why complicate things