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Should this cop have been charged?

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if you guys really want to get technical with the term "self defense" what he did was clearly self defense. he was attacked, he retaliated and put a stop to the attacker. self defense. though i agree he shouldn't have kicked her in the head, but she shouldn't have struck(or tried to) the officer either. squash as far as i'm concerned.
 
bfdd said:
if you guys really want to get technical with the term "self defense" what he did was clearly self defense. he was attacked, he retaliated and put a stop to the attacker. self defense. though i agree he shouldn't have kicked her in the head, but she shouldn't have struck(or tried to) the officer either. squash as far as i'm concerned.
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He retaliated, he didn't defend himself, after her attack he attacked her.
 
HAL9000 said:
He retaliated, he didn't defend himself, after her attack he attacked her.
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self defense is the retaliation against attack. so yes he did, she attacked, he retaliated, attacker was squashed. problem solved. i'm not saying what he did was the right thing to do in the situation, i just don't see much issue with it. she attacked him, she shouldn't have done that. if someone tries to strike me and they succeed or miss, i'm still striking them back. this is what is known in the real world as "self defense".

please don't give me this "she was subdued shit either", if she was how did she throw a kick?
 
bfdd said:
self defense is the retaliation against attack. so yes he did, she attacked, he retaliated, attacker was squashed. problem solved. i'm not saying what he did was the right thing to do in the situation, i just don't see much issue with it. she attacked him, she shouldn't have done that. if someone tries to strike me and they succeed or miss, i'm still striking them back. this is what is known in the real world as "self defense".

please don't give me this "she was subdued shit either", if she was how did she throw a kick?
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What he did was an offensive action not a defensive action.
 
HAL9000 said:
What he did was an offensive action not a defensive action.
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defense is in retaliation to attack. she attacked him by trying to strike him with her leg. he retaliated with a strike of his own to her face, a strike to end the struggle or potential struggle and shift power back into his hands from his attacker. that is what occurred, your idiotic emotional brain doesn't have any ability to rationally think about things so please just exit this argument.

the cops reaction to attack was a little excessive given the circumstances, but clearly it was nothing less than what his attacker had wished upon him so like I said it's a squash. move along.
 
bfdd said:
defense is in retaliation to attack. she attacked him by trying to strike him with her leg. he retaliated with a strike of his own to her face, a strike to end the struggle or potential struggle and shift power back into his hands from his attacker. that is what occurred, your idiotic emotional brain doesn't have any ability to rationally think about things so please just exit this argument.

the cops reaction to attack was a little excessive given the circumstances, but clearly it was nothing less than what his attacker had wished upon him so like I said it's a squash. move along.
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He kicked a woman in the head who was sat on the ground and handcuffed, because she tried to trip him up.

He was provoked, but he still attacked her, what he did didn't assist him in defending himself from her.
 
HAL9000 said:
He kicked a woman in the head who was sat on the ground and handcuffed, because she tried to trip him up.

He was provoked, but he still attacked her, what he did didn't assist him in defending himself from her.
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She attacked him, he retaliated, issue squashed. I do not see the problem? She attacked him yes? You acknowledge that this woman attacked him? If so then his response would be what? A retaliation in DEFENSE of an ATTACK. He SUBDUED her further, which was obviously needed because she struck out at him(not sure if successfully), by striking her in the face. There were other options available to him, but he didn't take them and I don't really care either way. I see it as equal, she tried to kick him he kicked her, squash. If I tried to hit you, would you not try to hit me? If I spit in your face, would you not spit in my face?

Turning the other cheek is nice and all, but when you're already getting arrested for being an unruly wise and beautiful woman you cannot expect it. She was already being disorderly, she was restrained and subdued and further tried to be disorderly. She shouldn't have done that. I do not much care for LEOs, but I know better than to cause problems with them. They're idiots just like I am, maybe more so because I'm not douchey enough to want such a position of power.
 
bfdd said:
She attacked him, he retaliated, issue squashed. I do not see the problem? She attacked him yes? You acknowledge that this woman attacked him? If so then his response would be what? A retaliation in DEFENSE of an ATTACK. He SUBDUED her further, which was obviously needed because she struck out at him(not sure if successfully), by striking her in the face. There were other options available to him, but he didn't take them and I don't really care either way. I see it as equal, she tried to kick him he kicked her, squash. If I tried to hit you, would you not try to hit me? If I spit in your face, would you not spit in my face?

Turning the other cheek is nice and all, but when you're already getting arrested for being an unruly wise and beautiful woman you cannot expect it. She was already being disorderly, she was restrained and subdued and further tried to be disorderly. She shouldn't have done that. I do not much care for LEOs, but I know better than to cause problems with them. They're idiots just like I am, maybe more so because I'm not douchey enough to want such a position of power.
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Yeah, he would have been justified shooting her too. She attacked him, he had every right to cap her ass.
 
bfdd said:
self defense is the retaliation against attack.
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That is not the definition of self defense. He could have literally taken a step back and diffused the situation without force. He could have restrained her in other ways. That was retaliation pure and simple. Cops are not allowed to retaliate.
 
KK said:
Yeah, he would have been justified shooting her too. She attacked him, he had every right to cap her ass.
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no he doesn't, she wasn't a mortal threat to his life. please don't blow what i'm saying out of proportion. if she had tried to shoot him then sure, i'd agree. but she tried to kick/trip him and he reacted in kind. The Golden Rule, do unto others. if this bitch didn't want to get kicked, why did she kick the cop?

none of you can answer that question. that's all im asking, i do not disagree that there were better ways to handle the situation, more preferable ways, but i do not see what he did to be so out of line. he acted with equal force/intent from what i can make out in the video as his attacker.
 
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bfdd said:
none of you can answer that question. that's all im asking, i do not disagree that there were better ways to handle the situation, more preferable ways, but i do not see what he did to be so out of line. he acted with equal force/intent from what i can make out in the video as his attacker.
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Because cops don't get to hit someone just because they deserve it. That's not the legal or moral standard that police are held to in this country. Her deserving it is really irrelevant.
 
the DRIZZLE said:
Because cops don't get to hit someone just because they deserve it. That's not the legal or moral standard that police are held to in this country. Her deserving it is really irrelevant.
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If you attack an officer, they are allowed to strike you back. You have to be kidding me if you think otherwise.
 
bfdd said:
If you attack an officer, they are allowed to strike you back. You have to be kidding me if you think otherwise.
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They are allowed to put a cap in your ass too. Quit saying that they can't do that. They can do whatever the fuck they want.
 
Anyone who thinks this cop was in the right is an idiot. Sure, it's great seeing such a beligerant man/woman get a little street justice, but cops aren't given badges and guns to dole out street justice. As several others have mentioned, cops are not the judge, jury, and executioner, and his response to her "kick" (if you can even call it that) was entirely retaliatory and anyone with a brain knows it. There's no issue of him "defending" himself or "preventive additional resistance." Cops deal with this shit all the time without having to resort to kicking a woman at the base of her skull. If you're a cop and you need to escalate this incident to that, you're a pretty shitty cop and received pretty shitty training.

This is assault with a deadly weapon, plain and simple, and I think he deserves far more than just a couple paid days off.
 
Should the officer have been "charged"? Based on the video, absolutely.

Whether the officer should be convicted is an entirely separate question and is properly up to the jury. As I do not have the full information available to the jury, I will not attempt to step into their shoes.

ZV
 
Zenmervolt said:
Should the officer have been "charged"? Based on the video, absolutely.

Whether the officer should be convicted is an entirely separate question and is properly up to the jury. As I do not have the full information available to the jury, I will not attempt to step into their shoes.

ZV
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Cop takes his chances with judge rather than jury



LINCOLN, R.I. - A suspended Lincoln police officer accused of assaulting a woman at Twin River casino went before a judge on Wednesday. In court, Edward Krawetz waived his right to a jury trial. The case will now be decided on by a judge.
 
guyver01 said:
she wasn;t kicked in the face... it was the back of the head.

her "physical integrity and safety" is not in danger.

a single disabling kick does not endanger her safety or her 'physical integrity'

if he kept kicking her over and over and over... then yes, both could be in danger...
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Well trolled.
 
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