Should the words ni--er/n-gga be universally punishable?

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: jhbball
Another typical ATOT reverse racism/double standard thread. I love white people.

Seriously, all I hear on ATOT now is whine whine whine. I see a lot more of the reverse racism card now than the actual race card!

when do I get to play the religion card?

You can't yet. I have temporarily disabled it with my Pat Robertson enchantment card.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: jhbball
Another typical ATOT reverse racism/double standard thread. I love white people.

Seriously, all I hear on ATOT now is whine whine whine. I see a lot more of the reverse racism card now than the actual race card!

This isn't about reverse racism... it's about punishing equally or not at all.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: pontifex
to the people who say, no, why do you say no?

why is one person allowed to say it but another person isn't?

Note: this isn't directed just at you.

Everyone is still allowed to say anything, and that's the way it should stay. However if you deliberately set out to offend a group of people, there will be repercussions when you succeed. That's the way of the world, it's not changeable, and I wouldn't change if I could.

This entire argument is total BS seeing how there is not and never has been any rule against racist slurs. This isn't Germany where you go to jail if you deny the holocaust. If you feel your speech is being restricted by not being able to slur others, go the f*ck ahead and say it and please just stop the incessant whining. Go in your basement and scream it, go out in times square and scream it, nobody gives a damn. You won't even get fired, because nobody cares about you. However if you scream something offensive directly to a group, you have no control over how that person will react. This is another universal rule that is not confined to n****r. Deal with it.

Are people really whining because you can't have a world without repercussions? Where's your threads about not being able to kick babies, and shoot anyone you don't like. At least there are laws stopping you from doing that stuff. There is nothing preventing you from being a racist asshole if it's important to you. Apparently people are too chickenshit to go ahead and exercise their right to be offensive, because they're scared of the repercussions. So instead they want everyone to have the same limitations as them, totally ignoring the fact that those people get away with it because they're not offending many people.

no is talking about banning the word. no one is talking about removing the freedom of speech.

here's an example: I'm white. I have a radio show. I call someone a n****r over the airwaves. I get in trouble by 90% of the nation. I'm supposedly a bad person.

example 2: you're a black. you're on the radio too. you call soemone a n****r over the airwaves. no one even blinks an eyelid.

why? if a word is offensive to the black population, why do they continue to use it themselves?

or to go one step further, why is a black man allowed to be racist against a white man? isn't that racism? isn't racism wrong?

why are only white people getting fined and blasted for it?

again, this is mostly about people who say this over the media, whether is radio, tv, or newspaper.

Example #2: You didn't offend anyone, therefore nobody complained, therefore you kept your job. It's not the use of the word n***a that got the person in example number 1 kicked off, it's the people he offended that campaigned to get him off the air. The DJ in example number 1 knew he was going to offend people and said the word anyway. It's a pretty simple difference to understand, yet people making your argument always pretend they don't get it.

The fcc doesn't monitor every broadcast by every dj. They only hear about the stuff that people complain about. Since nobody ever called in to complain about the dj in example number 2, he never got fined. As I stated before this issue is only about being offensive and the repercussions for your actions.

I'm not going one step farther because that's not what this thread is about.

 

[SZLiao214]

If anyone is getting punished then everyone should.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: jhbball
Another typical ATOT reverse racism/double standard thread. I love white people.

Seriously, all I hear on ATOT now is whine whine whine. I see a lot more of the reverse racism card now than the actual race card!

This isn't about reverse racism... it's about punishing equally or not at all.

This is about reverse racism. You are pointing out an observation that you deem as a double standard based on race. You want to use a racial slur with your friends, but feel you cannot due to your skin color.

I have pointed out reasons why you should not in my earlier posts.

 

[Superwormy]

It shouldn't be punishable *at all* as it violates free speech. Get over it, it's only a freakin' word.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
No.

Those words are more complicated than ATOT makes them out to be. It's not a black and white issue (pun intended) where words have one single context and universal meaning so stop pretending like it does.

Among your friends and family members, you use certain language, have inside jokes and rib each other about things you know you can get away with because you guys have that certain connection.

This is the same principle that some people adhere to, but on a larger scale. Certain groups of people feel they bond together whether it be sex, religion and in this case, race. Let it be and stop whining at the fact that you can't use a racial slur in the same context others can.

Exactly. Intent is what matters, not the race of the person saying them. It's not racist if a white, black, or Asian says "******" if he means it as a term of endearment.

It should be clear to everyone that "What you been doin' with that white girl ni**er" is not the same as "What's up my ******?". But, a lot of ATOTers like to play the if-they-can-say-it-why-can't-I game.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Only if people stop calling us whites. We need to get more PC around here. I'm sick of being called white. It's bad enough I have to tan to be socially accepted in todays anti-white society.

I'm assuming you're from America. Do you really believe for a second that America is anti-white? If so you have obviously never been outside of your neighborhood.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
But, a lot of ATOTers like to play the if-they-can-say-it-why-can't-I game.

The thread is about organizations who punish for saying the word. IMO they should punish all or none at all. It's ridiculous for a school/company to say "you can't say that b/c you're white, you're getting suspended." That will only foster a holier-than-thou attitude by those allowed to use the word. You either allow it or you do not.

In the example about the black/white radio DJ, sure, no one may complain when the black guy says it. But if you punish the white guy, you should from then on disallow ANYONE from using the offending word. The context of the word doesn't matter b/c things can always be taken out of context (like 80% of the quotes which people rebut on here).

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
But, a lot of ATOTers like to play the if-they-can-say-it-why-can't-I game.

The thread is about organizations who punish for saying the word. IMO they should punish all or none at all. It's ridiculous for a school/company to say "you can't say that b/c you're white, you're getting suspended." That will only foster a holier-than-thou attitude by those allowed to use the word. You either allow it or you do not.

In the example about the black/white radio DJ, sure, no one may complain when the black guy says it. But if you punish the white guy, you should from then on disallow ANYONE from using the offending word. The context of the word doesn't matter b/c things can always be taken out of context (like 80% of the quotes which people rebut on here).

There shouldn't be any media censorship to begin with. The fact that we have "decency" laws demonstrates how little free speech actually means to our society.

In any case, the "n word" is censored on the radio.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I honestly couldn't care less what people say. Even on TV/radio. Make fun of every race, sexual orientation, and gender. I don't care.

 

[BoomerD]

NO! As offensive as the word is, (even though it's a bastardization of the spanish word for black..negra) we believe in the principle of freedom of speech in this country. We have the right to say anything we so choose, regardless of how stupid or offensive. Do businesses have the right to fire you for saying it? Absolutely, because as employers, they have the right to (at least partially) control your behavior/actions, PLUS, the laws against harrassment make them liable for YOUR actions...It doesn't belong in schools either, because EVERYONE is entitled to a harrassment-free learning environment. There are other exceptions to "free speech", such as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater, for good reason, but, if I were stupid enough to use that term at an Oakland Raider game, (it'd either be my funeral, or maybe the most painful day of my life) I have the right to do so...
Freedom of speech, (even offensive, disrespectful, & totally hateful ) should NOT be punishable by any laws.
We hold Freedom of speech as one of our CORE freedoms, and the Bill of Rights says:
"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

That says it all for me.

 

[meltdown75]

Anyone dropping N-bombs should have to do so in the company of several rather large angry black men and learn the hard way that if you have nothing good to say you should shut the ****** up.

 

[BoomerD]

My comments apply to ANY kind of offensive words/comments...racial, religious, whatever. While you may get your "attitude adjusted" by the person you're addressing them to, (understandably so) you should have the LEGAL right to say them...

 

[Darkstar757]

Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

And it's okay for you to stereotype why?

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

Are you kidding me?!?!! You are what is wrong with this country!!!!!

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

Sweet, can I get free money too? Whites haven't been too polite to Asian people over the years either.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

Well duh, because you didn't earn it...reparations are a stupid idea...want to be compensated for the slave years? Go collect from the ones who captured them and sold them.
No, I don't condone slavery, but then again, WE are not responsible for the wrongs in history. If we're gonna start that, then ALL of youse get the hell off my land. (my kin STILL lives on reservations)...You're ALL squatters...

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

Are you kidding me?!?!! You are what is wrong with this country!!!!!

Many people with old wealth got it from slavery. Who deserves the money?

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

Well duh, because you didn't earn it...reparations are a stupid idea...want to be compensated for the slave years? Go collect from the ones who captured them and sold them.
No, I don't condone slavery, but then again, WE are not responsible for the wrongs in history. If we're gonna start that, then ALL of youse get the hell off my land. (my kin STILL lives on reservations)...You're ALL squatters...

You are going to have one hell of fight with that one.

 

[ViviTheMage]

negative

 

[Darkstar757]

I swear you guys are such easy bait its nuts.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
I swear you guys are such easy bait its nuts.

If I made a comment about your Grand Daddy leaving you some crack rocks, would you think it was okay?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well since we are on the topic of equality. Why dont you give me half of that trust fund that your Grand Daddy gave your father from free slave labor.

Considering that my ancestors were still living in Europe when all of that stuff was happening in the USA, I don't think I owe you anything. Take your begging elsewhere.