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Should the words ni--er/n-gga be universally punishable?
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jdoggg12
Platinum Member
If you havent noticed, the word is pretty much banned already... for whites. This poll is asking if it should be universally punishable, despite your skin color. If there IS NO PUNISHMENT then make that TRUE FOR ALL RACES!
This isn't about whether the word is bad, its not about whether the word should be banned... its about holding ALL RACES accountable for any punishment ONE race gets for saying/using it
moshquerade
No Lifer
i'm not so sure you meant universally punishable, but the person who says it should be chastised no matter what their race, creed, color, sex, etc.
imported_bum
Golden Member
Actually, under the law it does.
FoBoT
No Lifer
you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater
Note: this isn't directed just at you.
Everyone is still allowed to say anything, and that's the way it should stay. However if you deliberately set out to offend a group of people, there will be repercussions when you succeed. That's the way of the world, it's not changeable, and I wouldn't change if I could.
This entire argument is total BS seeing how there is not and never has been any rule against racist slurs. This isn't Germany where you go to jail if you deny the holocaust. If you feel your speech is being restricted by not being able to slur others, go the f*ck ahead and say it and please just stop the incessant whining. Go in your basement and scream it, go out in times square and scream it, nobody gives a damn. You won't even get fired, because nobody cares about you. However if you scream something offensive directly to a group, you have no control over how that person will react. This is another universal rule that is not confined to n****r. Deal with it.
Are people really whining because you can't have a world without repercussions? Where's your threads about not being able to kick babies, and shoot anyone you don't like. At least there are laws stopping you from doing that stuff. There is nothing preventing you from being a racist asshole if it's important to you. Apparently people are too chickenshit to go ahead and exercise their right to be offensive, because they're scared of the repercussions. So instead they want everyone to have the same limitations as them, totally ignoring the fact that those people get away with it because they're not offending many people.
mugs
Lifer
Who cares what the words are? What matters is how you use it, your intent.
When a black guy calls his friend his "n-gga," he's not using it in a hateful way.
When the Grand Poo-bah of the KKK refers to black people has "n-ggers" it's pretty clear that he's using it in a hateful way.
When Michael Richards repeats "You're a n-gger" about 15 times, who the hell knows what he was thinking. Bad attempt at a joke? Maybe? Hateful? I don't know.
When a black guy calls his friend his "n-gga," he's not using it in a hateful way.
When the Grand Poo-bah of the KKK refers to black people has "n-ggers" it's pretty clear that he's using it in a hateful way.
When Michael Richards repeats "You're a n-gger" about 15 times, who the hell knows what he was thinking. Bad attempt at a joke? Maybe? Hateful? I don't know.
No.
Those words are more complicated than ATOT makes them out to be. It's not a black and white issue (pun intended) where words have one single context and universal meaning so stop pretending like it does.
Among your friends and family members, you use certain language, have inside jokes and rib each other about things you know you can get away with because you guys have that certain connection.
This is the same principle that some people adhere to, but on a larger scale. Certain groups of people feel they bond together whether it be sex, religion and in this case, race. Let it be and stop whining at the fact that you can't use a racial slur in the same context others can.
Those words are more complicated than ATOT makes them out to be. It's not a black and white issue (pun intended) where words have one single context and universal meaning so stop pretending like it does.
Among your friends and family members, you use certain language, have inside jokes and rib each other about things you know you can get away with because you guys have that certain connection.
This is the same principle that some people adhere to, but on a larger scale. Certain groups of people feel they bond together whether it be sex, religion and in this case, race. Let it be and stop whining at the fact that you can't use a racial slur in the same context others can.
meltdown75
Lifer
:thumbsup:
FoBoT
No Lifer
more research , i guess OWH has been overruled since then, i think this reflects changes of thinking in the US from the beginning of the century to 1969
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
Raduque
Lifer
Yes, OK, that's all well and good. But if a white or other non-black calls his friends (of any color, but blacks are usually the most offended) "n_gga", he'll get punished in some way. What the OP is asking, is why is it OK that a black person can call his friends "n_gga" and it be OK, but a white person can't do the same?
pontifex
Lifer
no is talking about banning the word. no one is talking about removing the freedom of speech.
here's an example: I'm white. I have a radio show. I call someone a n****r over the airwaves. I get in trouble by 90% of the nation. I'm supposedly a bad person.
example 2: you're a black. you're on the radio too. you call soemone a n****r over the airwaves. no one even blinks an eyelid.
why? if a word is offensive to the black population, why do they continue to use it themselves?
or to go one step further, why is a black man allowed to be racist against a white man? isn't that racism? isn't racism wrong?
why are only white people getting fined and blasted for it?
again, this is mostly about people who say this over the media, whether is radio, tv, or newspaper.
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