Should states ban trans athletes from competing?

[Brovane]

If someone wants to change their "gender", fine. But the surgeries and hormone therapy should be illegal until they are at least an adult (18).

Would you count pubertal blockers as hormone therapy?

 

[fskimospy]

Why would it matter? You think it's okay for children to be manipulated if it's not a majority of the time?
You're either incredibly niave or in total denial that any transwoman athlete that was already competing as a male who decides to identify as a woman and then competes in women athletics didn't do so purely for the competitive edge.

What is your basis for this? As he requested can you provide a single, solitary example where parents pushed their kid to identify as transgender to gain a sports advantage?

 

[Zor Prime]

Let's kick back with popcorn and watch former dudes crush the body and spirit out of girls. Too bad Suzie, you should have originally been born a guy you whiny little thing, stop crying! Your dreams lol you stupid girl your dreams don't matter there's people on the Internet saying Bobette should be competing with you. Sucks to be you. STOP CRYING OMG. Lulz /s

 

[fskimospy]

It is so fucking weird about how much people care about something that will almost certainly never affect them or anyone they know in even the slightest way.

 

[TheVrolok]

It is so fucking weird about how much people care about something that will almost certainly never affect them or anyone they know in even the slightest way.

It certainly is, but it's in keeping with the same type of emotional decision making that encompasses almost all decision making that seems to come from this particular subset of people.

 

[Greenman]

We all know blackangst is against civil rights. He is against gay rights and female rights as well (ex. abortion). I am not even sure how he even got married, although I do have a theory. He probably went on a vacation to India, went to some farm village there, and threw money and wine at a frothing greedy mouth of some farmer for their daughter. That is the only way I can think he could have a wife.

You're a deeply disturbed little man.

 

[Greenman]

It is so fucking weird about how much people care about something that will almost certainly never affect them or anyone they know in even the slightest way.

It's not even a little bit odd. Most people don't like cheaters. This is why there are rules about performance enhancing drugs in most sports.
It's weird that anyone thinks allowing men to compete against women in sports is fair. Even with hormones and castration trans men still have the physical structure of a man. That's not prejudice, it's not fear or hate, it's just fact.

 

[Brovane]

It's not even a little bit odd. Most people don't like cheaters. This is why there are rules about performance enhancing drugs in most sports.
It's weird that anyone thinks allowing men to compete against women in sports is fair. Even with hormones and castration trans men still have the physical structure of a man. That's not prejudice, it's not fear or hate, it's just fact.

Yet Lia Thomas still got beat by a lot of cisgender woman in the 200 and 100 yard freestyles at the NCAA DIV1 Championship and that is just a fact.

 

[Greenman]

Yet Lia Thomas still got beat by a lot of cisgender woman in the 200 and 100 yard freestyles at the NCAA DIV1 Championship and that is just a fact.

Everyone already knows that Lia wasn't all that good competing against men.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not even a little bit odd. Most people don't like cheaters. This is why there are rules about performance enhancing drugs in most sports.
It's weird that anyone thinks allowing men to compete against women in sports is fair. Even with hormones and castration trans men still have the physical structure of a man. That's not prejudice, it's not fear or hate, it's just fact.

No, it’s super weird that people are concerning themselves so highly with the regulations regarding children’s sports that will likely never affect their lives in any way.

I’m not saying it’s fear or hate, (although for plenty of people I’m sure it is) I’m saying it’s fucking stupid. Like, the Utah legislature passed the sort of ban you’re talking about, only to find out it affected ONE person. Lol.

I see people on here constantly complain about how the government isn’t solving real problems. Well, threads like this show why that is. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

 

[fskimospy]

Guys I heard a kid in little league down the street is using a spitball. Better call the government in to take this cheater down.

lol.

 

[ivwshane]

It’s funny how some people call it cheating and then when someone else points to a particular instance that shows they were no better than anyone else, well suddenly it’s because that person just wasn’t very good.

It’s not fact it’s just stunted emotional growth and poor logical thinking.

Still waiting for anyone to show this is an issue of any significance and not culture war propaganda.

 

[Greenman]

No, it’s super weird that people are concerning themselves so highly with the regulations regarding children’s sports that will likely never affect their lives in any way.

I’m not saying it’s fear or hate, (although for plenty of people I’m sure it is) I’m saying it’s fucking stupid. Like, the Utah legislature passed the sort of ban you’re talking about, only to find out it affected ONE person. Lol.

I see people on here constantly complain about how the government isn’t solving real problems. Well, threads like this show why that is. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

Government shouldn't be involved, but the organizations that should be managing this won't act.
To me this is nothing more than men dominating women. I have no respect for them at all.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Government shouldn't be involved, but the organizations that should be managing this won't act.
To me this is nothing more than men dominating women. I have no respect for them at all.

Is it even a problem in the first place? And why is government the solution?Why are conservatives so adamant that this is an issue even worthy of attention in the first place?

There are countless other areas that demand the government's attention.

 

[fskimospy]

Government shouldn't be involved, but the organizations that should be managing this won't act.
To me this is nothing more than men dominating women. I have no respect for them at all.

Men dominating women through that single person in Utah. Lol.

 

[Greenman]

Men dominating women through that single person in Utah. Lol.

It's disingenuous to pretend that this is only about Utah. You're better than this.

 

[fskimospy]

It's disingenuous to pretend that this is only about Utah. You're better than this.

Absolutely not. It’s to show the ludicrously small numbers.

 

[nickqt]

Government shouldn't be involved, but the organizations that should be managing this won't act.
To me this is nothing more than men dominating women. I have no respect for them at all.

So you are against men dominating women in sports, but you believe that abortion should be illegal. Funny.

 

[MrSquished]

It's disingenuous to pretend that this is only about Utah. You're better than this.

It's such a miniscule problem for it to be this giant issue to conservatives. It's pure politics by the nasty right.

I asked you before, show us all this prevalent trans people ruining sports that needs all this attention and you never will.

Because you're not better than this.

 

[EduCat]

Is it even a problem in the first place? And why is government the solution?Why are conservatives so adamant that this is an issue even worthy of attention in the first place?

There are countless other areas that demand the government's attention.

Normal peeps are prob afraid to get jumped on by the fringe that are so very vocal. Normal people want everyone to be treated well and have love in their lives but realize pitting adult males vs females isn't a great idea. There are many girls/women who train hard to be the best.

Guys I heard a kid in little league down the street is using a spitball. Better call the government in to take this cheater down.

lol.

You been saying a lot of dumbass shit lately yikes!

 

[EduCat]

It's such a miniscule problem for it to be this giant issue to conservatives. It's pure politics by the nasty right.

I asked you before, show us all this prevalent trans people ruining sports that needs all this attention and you never will.

Because you're not better than this.

It is not just a conservative issue, lmao.

 

[fskimospy]

Normal peeps are prob afraid to get jumped on by the fringe that are so very vocal. Normal people want everyone to be treated well and have love in their lives but realize pitting adult males vs females isn't a great idea. There are many girls/women who train hard to be the best.



You been saying a lot of dumbass shit lately yikes!

Yikes!

 

[Captante]

Jane you ignorant slut!

 

[DaaQ]

I thinks extremely sad and selfish to see parents promoting the idea only for their kid to compete better in sports for scholarships and attention.

I highly doubt the scholarship aspect.
Most parents put their kids into sports whether the kid wants to play the sport or not. I would wager it is particularly high in primary and middle schools.

Whats best for the individual should be the choice of the individual without being coerced or manipulated into a decision. The decision to undergo a change should be only under the direct consent of that person and when they are an adult.

I know you're talking about the change, but this also should apply to whether the child wants to play a sport. My wife's niece's son, was enrolled into little league baseball by the ex husband that lives an hour and a half away, and hasn't went to one game or practice yet afaik.

It's not even a little bit odd. Most people don't like cheaters. This is why there are rules about performance enhancing drugs in most sports.
It's weird that anyone thinks allowing men to compete against women in sports is fair. Even with hormones and castration trans men still have the physical structure of a man. That's not prejudice, it's not fear or hate, it's just fact.

Only real difference is in the pelvic bones.

What is the physical structure of a man? Because there are plenty of non trans males and females that would be whooped silly by the opposite gender.

Also, I assume we are all hearing this big nothing because of your typical sports. Because they get monetized and then the powers that be separate out by divisions. Back in the day there were plenty of girl skaters that were better than guy skaters. But alas, we only pay attention to the big 4 plus some additional Olympics stuff.

 

[Captante]

Only real difference is in the pelvic bones.

orly?

"A study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had an average of 26 lbs. (12 kilograms) more skeletal muscle mass than women. Women also exhibited about 40 percent less upper-body strength and 33 percent less lower-body strength, on average, the study found.Dec 7, 2015"


Once you get past roughly second grade-age males are overwhelmingly larger, faster and stronger (on average) and it isn't even slightly debatable... or close.