Should Asthmatics Suffer and Die to "Save the Ozone?"

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Looks like your girlfriend has been excluded through natural selection. I would avoid procreation as to avoid producing inferior offspring.

Actually, her asthma didn't present until after she was 30, dipsh!t

So you can go fsck yourself and consider yourself very lucky you didn't say such a thing to my face.

You on the rag, Bro?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Looks like your girlfriend has been excluded through natural selection. I would avoid procreation as to avoid producing inferior offspring.

Actually, her asthma didn't present until after she was 30, dipsh!t

So you can go fsck yourself and consider yourself very lucky you didn't say such a thing to my face.

QFT I've seen Amused with his shirt off...you don't want to mess around with him. He's like a deranged Captain Kirk when you get him going.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Looks like your girlfriend has been excluded through natural selection. I would avoid procreation as to avoid producing inferior offspring.

Actually, her asthma didn't present until after she was 30, dipsh!t

So you can go fsck yourself and consider yourself very lucky you didn't say such a thing to my face.

You on the rag, Bro?

Do you think it's OK to tell a guy that someone he cares for very much should die?

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Looks like your girlfriend has been excluded through natural selection. I would avoid procreation as to avoid producing inferior offspring.

Actually, her asthma didn't present until after she was 30, dipsh!t

So you can go fsck yourself and consider yourself very lucky you didn't say such a thing to my face.

You on the rag, Bro?

Do you think it's OK to tell a guy that someone he cares for very much should die?

No but this is the internet. I guess I am used to all the comments.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Looks like your girlfriend has been excluded through natural selection. I would avoid procreation as to avoid producing inferior offspring.

Actually, her asthma didn't present until after she was 30, dipsh!t

So you can go fsck yourself and consider yourself very lucky you didn't say such a thing to my face.

QFT I've seen Amused with his shirt off...you don't want to mess around with him. He's like a deranged Captain Kirk when you get him going.

He don't scare me! mainly because he lives so far away from me.

 

[Praxis1452]

Albuterol is albuterol. I bet other alternatives will be found. IT's only a propellant... or am I wrong?

This happens in 2009. Alternatives will be found by then if complaints are made and their is demand. Demand is key and complaints only help to notify the companies.

Anyway in regards to the drug companies I bet some drug companies are backing these "authoritairian socialists" as you call them amused. They will give them money in exchange for "helping to protect the enviroment". I don't see how that couldn't happen.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Albuterol is albuterol. I bet other alternatives will be found. IT's only a propellant... or am I wrong?

This happens in 2009. Alternatives will be found by then if complaints are made and their is demand. Demand is key and complaints only help to notify the companies.

Anyway in regards to the drug companies I bet some drug companies are backing these "authoritairian socialists" as you call them amused. They will give them money in exchange for "helping to protect the enviroment". I don't see how that couldn't happen.

The delivery system is the key here. And the new inhalers are crap. Read the message board link I posted.

 

[kosstamogen]

This is bullshit if there's not a comparable replacement then albuterol should not be phased out. I know there are alot of asthma sufferer's out there and I will personally let everyone I know to complain about this.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: kosstamogen
This is bullshit if there's not a comparable replacement then albuterol should not be phased out. I know there are alot of asthma sufferer's out there and I will personally let everyone I know to complain about this.

Albuterol is not being phased out. It is the propellant that is being phased out since it contains CFCs. Allegedly, the new propellant is not as good as the older, CFC propellant.

 

[torpid]

Advair is not a "replacement" for albuterol. I hope people realize that. Advair is a maintenance / long term drug and not an emergency drug. However, if it isn't working you can always up the dosage.

I don't think albuterol really "sprays" deep into the lungs. You are supposed to hold it at a distance from your mouth anyway and breath in. I think the issue is that the powdered forms aren't adequately atomized. I'm sure someone will eventually come up with a "pocket nebulizer". And they'll only charge $400 per 60 uses for it. Those nebulizers are several orders of magnitude more effective than the CFC spray anyway.

The FDA should not be able to lift the exemption without forcing generics to be available / patents to be void. I already have a $250/month advair prescription. Now I have to worry about a ludicrously expensive albuterol thing too...

 

[Paddington]

Albuterol isn't banned. LOL. I work in the medical field and we have several patients that are on albuterol on my ward right now.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Isn't there a different way to administer Albuterol other than aerosols?

yes my son was given liquid albuterol.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Paddington
Albuterol isn't banned. LOL. I work in the medical field and we have several patients that are on albuterol on my ward right now.

It's banned as of 2008. Try to keep up.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1076/is_5_47/ai_n13811320

U.S. regulators have announced that albuterol inhalers containing chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) will be banned in the United States beginning in 2009. This type of asthma inhaler had previously been given "essential use" status, exempting it from a national CFC-production ban.


It's not 2009 yet.

who are these US regulators?? i would love to send a email expressing my love.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Paddington
Albuterol isn't banned. LOL. I work in the medical field and we have several patients that are on albuterol on my ward right now.

It's banned as of 2008. Try to keep up.

:disgust: are you stupid? Albuterol is NOT banned, its the propellent in the inhaler that is banned.

 

[43st]

That's why you have insurance, world's best system right here in the USA.

 

[kosstamogen]

Yes you are correct. I don't agree with phasing out anything unless the replacement is a better product for the patient than the original.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: torpid
I don't think albuterol really "sprays" deep into the lungs. You are supposed to hold it at a distance from your mouth anyway and breath in.

Actually, if you've ever used an inhaler, you would know that you put your mouth around the mouth piece and start taking a deep breath and then push the button to release the spray.

 

[Mr Pepper]

Originally posted by: 43st
That's why you have insurance, world's best system right here in the USA.

Funny you should mention that. My insurance does not cover the new expensive CFC replacement. The one they do cover has not been in stock at my pharmacy since I needed a refill over a month ago. So I have the choice to fork out the whole sum, or keep waiting.

I ended up just buying a $9 primatine mist at walmart for now. Great deal for me! Someone needs to go break some knee caps over at the FDA.

Also, if you have ever been about 20 feet under water and completely out of breath, you 'might' be able to understand what goes through someone's mind when they are having an athsma attack.

Show some respect please.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Paddington
Albuterol isn't banned. LOL. I work in the medical field and we have several patients that are on albuterol on my ward right now.

It's banned as of 2008. Try to keep up.

:disgust: are you stupid? Albuterol is NOT banned, its the propellent in the inhaler that is banned.

"Albuterol" in its generic form usually refers to the albuterol inhaler itself and not the generic drug. I apologize for not being specific. I guess because you are stupid you weren't able to infer the difference. As opposed to Paddington who flat out denied that there is any sort of ban at all.

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: torpid
I don't think albuterol really "sprays" deep into the lungs. You are supposed to hold it at a distance from your mouth anyway and breath in.

Actually, if you've ever used an inhaler, you would know that you put your mouth around the mouth piece and start taking a deep breath and then push the button to release the spray.

I use an inhaler and every doctor I've ever visited about asthma (granted, that is only 4 doctors) has told me not to hold the inhaler that close because it is less effective. Google would seem to confirm that you are supposed to hold it a couple of inches away for maximum effectiveness.

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: Mr Pepper

Originally posted by: 43st
That's why you have insurance, world's best system right here in the USA.

Funny you should mention that. My insurance does not cover the new expensive CFC replacement. The one they do cover has not been in stock at my pharmacy since I needed a refill over a month ago. So I have the choice to fork out the whole sum, or keep waiting.

I ended up just buying a $9 primatine mist at walmart for now. Great deal for me! Someone needs to go break some knee caps over at the FDA.

Also, if you have ever been about 20 feet under water and completely out of breath, you 'might' be able to understand what goes through someone's mind when they are having an athsma attack.

Show some respect please.

Most adult asthma patients are used to dealing with the anxiety that occurs during an attack, when you're desperately trying to find an inhaler. The demographic I really feel sorry for is little kids. When they get an attack, they get very nervous and confused, which inhibits them from correctly using an inhaler. Then, they start crying, which only aggravates the attack. Having a weaker inhaler means having a longer attack, and possibly resulting in damage to the lungs.

 

[JS80]

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