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If these people don't understand or support freedom of speech, you should burn all the flags you can till they do

That makes no sense at all
You can go discuss your fear of Muslims with a Muslim
A Muslim understands you have nothing to do with the LRA
You seem to feel that I have a fear of Muslims. I do not. I simply recognize that a vastly higher percentage of Muslims are terrorists and a vastly higher percentage of terrorists are Muslims. That does not mean that I believe the majority of Muslims are terrorists, it simply means I am too smart to pretend there is not an imbalance. Seeking out a Muslim to discuss this imbalance would be as insulting as seeking out a black person to discuss why blacks are disproportionately criminal, as both would implicitly connect the person I seek out to the problem I see. (i.e. "Why are you guys . . .") I do not believe in guilt by association; one person is not responsible for another person's misdeeds.
 
Just curious, have you budged from some of your whacked out ideas or are your ideas all based in sanity and logic?

You come across as a textbook progressive. Your ideas and beliefs are the only logical ideas and beliefs and as such all people must embrace your ideas and beliefs. Anyone who doesn't deserves ridicule and derision.

I understand why you feel this way, I really do. I understand because I went through the same phase in my life. A phase where I was the only one with correct thoughts, where I was the only one that 'knew' and everyone else were imbecile's that barely deserved to walk on the same Earth I walked on.

But that all changed when I stopped thinking like a teenager.

You preach tolerance in a very intolerant manner.
lol Well said.
 
lol Well said.

Except nothing he said there applied to me.
I'm 51, raised 3 kids and starting on the grand babies now.
I've always been involved in my community, have been leader of dozens of men on jobs, settled union disputes, and have hundreds of friends from every walk of life.
I don't have an enemy in the world
 
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Except nothing he said there applied to me.
I'm 51, raised 3 kids and starting on the grand babies now.
I've always been involved in my community, have been leader of dozens of men on jobs, settled union disputes, and have hundreds of friends from every walk of life.
I don't have an enemy in the world

Fess up Earl. We were both trampling that Amurican flag just the other day.

The outrageous 'left', always desecrating the holy cloth.

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The scale I require? Terrorist acts committed by non Muslims around the world over the last week

I misunderstood you then. I do not know of any this week. They have happened though. Christians in Africa attacked Muslims not too long ago.

Is your point that currently Muslims make up the majority of religious terrorism?
 
I misunderstood you then. I do not know of any this week. They have happened though. Christians in Africa attacked Muslims not too long ago.

Is your point that currently Muslims make up the majority of religious terrorism?

No, my point is that hundreds of terrorist acts happen that you never hear about.
Your media is only focused on those that only affect you/can be used as propaganda, and only ones that the US has designated as terrorists. Btw the US does not consider the Taliban a terror org, where you counting Taliban attacks as terrorist acts?
Your claim that Muslims commit most terrorist acts is pretty iffy, and then is lessen even more when you want to cut them down to just religious terrorist acts
 
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No, my point is that hundreds of terrorist acts happen that you never hear about.
Your media is only focused on those that only affect you/can be used as propaganda, and only ones that the US has designated as terrorists. Btw the US does not consider the Taliban a terror org, where you counting Taliban attacks as terrorist acts?
Your claim that Muslims commit most terrorist acts is pretty iffy, and then is lessen even more when you want to cut them down to just religious terrorist acts

I think you might be a little dumb. A terrorist attack can be done by any group. Also just because the US go does not consider the Taliban a terrorist group does not mean they are not.

Last, when muslim terrorists do terrorism, they do it in the name of Islam. A Muslim can do a terrorist attack and it not be in the name of Islam. When you compare religious terrorism, Muslims make up the majority. The majority of "terrorism" is not done by Muslims. I chose my words carefully for a reason. Muslims don't need all terrorism done by Muslims to be counted as Islamic terrorism. Not because of any other reason than its incorrect to do so.

Can you name any this week?
 
I think you might be a little dumb. A terrorist attack can be done by any group.

I just asked you to list terrorist acts done by non-Muslims, like say The Jewish Defense League. That's kind of dumb of you to think I need to know terror acts can be done by any group

Also just because the US go does not consider the Taliban a terrorist group does not mean they are not.

Ya, that's why I stated "Your media is only focused on those that only affect you/can be used as propaganda, and only ones that the US has designated as terrorists"
I'm Canadian, we consider the Taliban terrorists

Last, when muslim terrorists do terrorism, they do it in the name of Islam.

Osama bin Laden said 911 was done because

U.S. support of Israel[43][44]
Support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia
Support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya
Pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests
Support of Indian "oppression against Muslims" in Kashmir
The presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia[45][46]
The sanctions against Iraq[47]

A Muslim can do a terrorist attack and it not be in the name of Islam.

What did you just say above?

I chose my words carefully for a reason.

I think you need a lot more practice
 
define better reaction. Is that attacking the person or persons who insulted you? Maybe some barbaric fits of rage thrown in there too.

What about the Boston Marathon Bombing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings

Do you defend that as quality reaction, in which the insult was our mere existence on this planet. Or was it our different way of living?

In your opinion, what actions and/or reactions should I expect out of someone who identifies them self as a Muslim when they're offended
No of course, perhaps proper words weren't found but sure I meant the kind way of reaction to insults.

We had some harsh-judged incidents in the early Islamic history, but there also been a dozens of stories teaching tolerance and forgiveness for generations to come. Although, and to be honest, much more emphasize has been put on the Muslims-to-Muslims relation.


Marathon bombings? the perpetrators were the first victims of it, years of propaganda and has taken it's toll on them to do such a stupid crime, terrorizing a safe nation and endangering the existence of millions of Muslims living safely over there.

She exercised her free speech, it's her right. I'm the last person you'll see on here defending Christians, but I will always defend a USA citizen's right to free speech. I don't see where she reacted to anything with violence.

Muslim USA citizens are free to protest events such as this in a peaceful way. Muslim USA citizens are free to insult Christians in a peaceful way as well. What goes around...comes around.
And I just used that right to insult her 🙂

Again and again, I wish the US media would always keep reminding US Muslim-citizens of their rights.
 
I just asked you to list terrorist acts done by non-Muslims, like say The Jewish Defense League. That's kind of dumb of you to think I need to know terror acts can be done by any group



Ya, that's why I stated "Your media is only focused on those that only affect you/can be used as propaganda, and only ones that the US has designated as terrorists"
I'm Canadian, we consider the Taliban terrorists



Osama bin Laden said 911 was done because

U.S. support of Israel[43][44]
Support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia
Support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya
Pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests
Support of Indian "oppression against Muslims" in Kashmir
The presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia[45][46]
The sanctions against Iraq[47]



What did you just say above?



I think you need a lot more practice


You are so bent on taking everything I say from this assumed US position, that its making you misunderstand.

Islamic terrorism is only Islamic terrorism if the terrorism was done in the name of Islam. If a Muslim commits an act of terror, and it was not done in the name of Islam, its not an Islamic terrorist event.
 
Just to clarify, but are you saying freedom of speech is better for a non-religious nation, or that the government rules should be non-religious?
Once you rule by logic, science and democracy then you should fight your way to keep that right at full force all the times, no matter what the circumstances are.
Otherwise, you risk being cheated and the truth to be hidden forever by your government, and later on the transparent democratic role could eventually be lost forever.

But in a perfect religious government, I'm totally ok with predetermined limits of speech freedom on the religious matters. What I exactly mean is, we really have had to limit the number of Islamic doctrines whereas everyone setting the rules out of his head, distorting the laws and believes, and later he might wage a war against the other group.

Guess, however, the pure Islamic government how many years it lasted after the Prophet death? Thirty years (the four Caliphates age), that's all what I completely recognize as a fully honest and completely truthful Islamic ruling.


This I vehemently disagree with. The US is not saint (zing), but it is far better than many of the Islamic societies.

Here is a PEW poll that helps explain my position.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01...ddle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/

The number not on the never side is far too many. Same thing goes with honor killings and other punishments. Remember, I am talking about societies and not governments. That is a much bigger and longer convo.
Religion aside, sure the US as a nation could be considered overall better than any other Islamic nation out there. However, I still find the Western societies are truly lacking in many aspects like in some ethical and solidarity issues.


That poll seriously didn't surprise me at all, as the Islamic nations are full of propaganda against the West that kept fed to us by some scholars and governments, about how the West has been fighting "Islam" and Islamic nations and are in control of our countries. Hell, I even heard the Israeli occupation is considered a religious war by a few.
Now I'm not debating the US role in the corruption of this region, but suffice to say that some of the voters were letting the oppression to cover their minds and vote against the humanity.

As for Gaza, you may keep them outside the equation, as a nation who been betrayed many times in each aggression against them, and are still under a siege by Arabic parties before Israel itself.
Trust me, to feel being betrayed by the world, especially the current hypocrite Islamic nations, is something that would blow the mind out of our heads.

The problem with religion in my view, is that it assumes a lot of answers, and fills in the gaps. That causes some pretty shitty justifications for people. If/when you feel your god has been offended, you are almost unbound in any action you take, because you are defending the most important thing ever. That is not a Islam issue, that is a religion issue. I will defend your right to believe and practice your religion, so far as it does not infringe on others rights. If you want to be apart of a religion, that is fine. But, if someone wants to stop free speech because it offends, they should not be able to legally. Granted, what many are now doing is going outside of the law, and there is little you can do about that other than prosecute.

Freedom>Security. That is a very bold statement, and I hope that I would have the courage to stick to that.
I'm bound to admit that you pretty hit a nail here. Especially since we're living in a modern, scientific and technological era, I believe tolerance-standards must be set high by the religious groups against others who seriously consider discussing the various religious matters.
 
You are so bent on taking everything I say from this assumed US position, that its making you misunderstand.

Islamic terrorism is only Islamic terrorism if the terrorism was done in the name of Islam. If a Muslim commits an act of terror, and it was not done in the name of Islam, its not an Islamic terrorist event.

Here the problem is, we don't take those accusations seriously, no matter how bad they might be Islamic-looking terrorism.


Whose behind the financing of al Qaeda since two decades, that is the serious unanswered question, not whether al Qaeda are truly following the Islamic way or not.
 

This is why I think you are dumb.

Your claim that Muslims commit most terrorist acts is pretty iffy, and then is lessen even more when you want to cut them down to just religious terrorist acts

There, you seem to question why I would confine Islamic terrorist acts to Islamic terrorists, and then you seem to agree.

Also, I never said Muslims commit more terrorists acts.

What I said was...

The problem with your statement is that its inherently conflicting. Muslims are just like everyone else, except that disproportionately make up religious terrorists.

The fact that you read what I sad is pretty telling. I made very sure to say that Muslims make up the majority of religious terrorism. I did not say that Muslims make up the majority of terrorists, because that is not true.

If you are going to filter everything I say from this viewpoint of some conservative (I'm not btw) American, then you are going to look dumb.
 
You seem to feel that I have a fear of Muslims. I do not. I simply recognize that a vastly higher percentage of Muslims are terrorists and a vastly higher percentage of terrorists are Muslims. That does not mean that I believe the majority of Muslims are terrorists, it simply means I am too smart to pretend there is not an imbalance. Seeking out a Muslim to discuss this imbalance would be as insulting as seeking out a black person to discuss why blacks are disproportionately criminal, as both would implicitly connect the person I seek out to the problem I see. (i.e. "Why are you guys . . .") I do not believe in guilt by association; one person is not responsible for another person's misdeeds.

I think that is a common misconception. Here is the reality (or maybe not, I just looked up the first site that would contradict you).

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.

Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified):

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According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html
 
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I think that is a common misconception. Here is the reality (or maybe not, I just looked up the first site that would contradict you).





http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html

You realize that is only for the US right?

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Here is a more global picture

http://tonyblairfaithfoundation.org...t/global-terrorism-2013-dominated-four-groups

The prominence of four extremist groups is striking: ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda and the Taliban were responsible in 2013 for 66 per cent of all deaths from claimed terrorism incidents. These four groups are the most deadly terrorist groups in the last fifteen years, and have killed at least 25,000 people in a decade.
 
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I think that is a common misconception. Here is the reality (or maybe not, I just looked up the first site that would contradict you).





http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html
Frankly there was nothing on the scale of 911 by the other groups.


The prominence of four extremist groups is striking: ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda and the Taliban were responsible in 2013 for 66 per cent of all deaths from claimed terrorism incidents. These four groups are the most deadly terrorist groups in the last fifteen years, and have killed at least 25,000 people in a decade.
Taliban aside, the fact is all the rest are seriously questioned in their existence, funding and growth.


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Osama bin Laden said 911 was done because

U.S. support of Israel[43][44]
Support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia
Support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya
Pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests
Support of Indian "oppression against Muslims" in Kashmir
The presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia[45][46]
The sanctions against Iraq[47]

.....
Don't believe him for a second (although I admit we believed so, back in 2001).
I truly whish if someone could learn Arabic then read our books on the chapter of Jihad and it's great rewards (I know, it's now causing much trouble).
Never ever, not in this life or another, that a devout Muslim would vow his life for Jihad, only then to go kill thousands of innocents without any real ultimate objective, then later to hid himself for ten years while the war was raging in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

For us it's unbelievable story, while for the US it's just a mindless conspiracy theory.
 
The only thing that shows is that the FBI and DHS have become very good at profiling and stopping Jihadists compared to the rest of the world.

No. As a % of the population, Muslims make up very little. In the US, self identified Jews make up about 2% while Muslims make up .8%.

So, when you look BSholes graph, and you see that .8% of the population is doing 6% of terrorism, while 2% is doing 7% of terrorism, you see why Islamic terrorism is so low in the US. Its not really about the US being better at identifying Islamic terror over other types.
 
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