Shooting at art festival in Texas

[Orignal Earl]

Did, I don't see anything justifying bombing a marathon. It's not like someone drew a picture of a dude from 1500 years ago.

Of course you didn't find anything justifying bombing a marathon. There is nothing, that's why we call them terrorists

 

[ch33zw1z]

Do you have conversations like this in real life? Do people look at you awkwardly when you say things like this?

1. No, I haven't met a single person IRL who would actually call the Boston Marathon Bombings justified. You're the closest to it.

2. No, see above.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course you didn't find anything justifying bombing a marathon. There is nothing, that's why we call them terrorists

So wtf are you doing replying to me.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm a lapsed raised in the Midwest German Lutheran.

I want all these Evangelistic upstart newbie Protestant Right Wing guys to get off my lawn, he he.

Teasing a bit.

:whiste:

😉

 

[Orignal Earl]

So wtf are you doing replying to me.

I replied to this comment of yours

Do you defend that as quality reaction, in which the insult was our mere existence on this planet. Or was it our different way of living?

That's what a message board is about

 

[ch33zw1z]

Cool, I'm still waiting for answers to the other questions.

I really am curious when it comes to the moderate Muslim's views are on such topics.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Cool, I'm still waiting for answers to the other questions.

I really am curious when it comes to the moderate Muslim's views are on such topics.

Well, they are all just stupid questions.
It's too bad you have never had a chance to meet a Muslim and discuss your fears with him
I'm sure you are surrounded by them, but you must not get out enough in your community to come across them.
If you did, you would find out they are just normal everyday good people

 

[realibrad]

Well, they are all just stupid questions.
It's too bad you have never had a chance to meet a Muslim and discuss your fears with him
I'm sure you are surrounded by them, but you must not get out enough in your community to come across them.
If you did, you would find out they are just normal everyday good people

You mean to say normal or typical Muslims right? Its an empirical fact that Muslims make up the majority of religious terrorist attacks, so inherently not "all" are normal every day good people right?

 

[Orignal Earl]

You mean to say normal or typical Muslims right? Its an empirical fact that Muslims make up the majority of religious terrorist attacks, so inherently not "all" are normal every day good people right?

Not all people of any group you choose are good people, that's just common sense right?
Why do you even want to jump to terrorist activities when talking about Muslims?
Why not talk about the millions of Muslims living perfectly peaceful lives around you

Religious terrorism is a really complicated topic. Just because a terrorist act is done by a Muslim doesn't mean it was religious just like when it's committed by a Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_terrorism

 

[nickqt]

You mean to say normal or typical Muslims right? Its an empirical fact that Muslims make up the majority of religious terrorist attacks, so inherently not "all" are normal every day good people right?

Not all people are normal every day good people.

Your point?

 

[werepossum]

"you guys"? Don't recall ever having trampled on an American flag so, piss off?

btw, Geller and Wilder have absolutely no respect for the free speech of anyone other than themselves and their supporters. These are people who, for example, wish to ban the Koran. Free speech supporters? Yeah, right.

Lefties in general, even if not you in particular. Don't find a lot of flag burning in the GOP or Libertarian circles.

As I always say we need to fix the people and make them adapt, not the religion itself.

I bet the shooters were ever a truly religious people, they were just a title with nothing else to do.

Was there anybody behind them goofing up their minds? That is the real question to be answered, in which we don't have an answer.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the Islamic faith (or other faiths, such as Christianity as practiced by the Lord's Army in Africa) in general, I meant the personal religion of those who are committing the violence.

The wacky ideal is thinking that posting cartoons of Mo here on this board is somehow defending freedom

Do you really believe that by constantly offending people they will get used to it and stop getting offended?

I can point out several posters here who haven't budged an inch with some of their whacked out ideas, no matter the amount of reasoning, facts, ridiculing, etc they have received for a decade now

lol Yeah, smart people know that real defence of freedom is allowing absolutely nothing that might possibly incite a Muslim to violence while subsidizing similar attacks against Christianity.

Dumbass, there is and should be no right to not be offended. If you never encounter anything that offends you, then you are not living in a free society.

EDIT: And as far as meeting a Muslim and discussing our fears with him, why on Earth would we do that? Should Muslims seek me out to discuss the Lord's Resistance Army and its atrocities?

 

[nickqt]

Lefties in general, even if not you in particular. Don't find a lot of flag burning in the GOP or Libertarian circles.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the Islamic faith (or other faiths, such as Christianity as practiced by the Lord's Army in Africa) in general, I meant the personal religion of those who are committing the violence.


lol Yeah, smart people know that real defence of freedom is allowing absolutely nothing that might possibly incite a Muslim to violence while subsidizing similar attacks against Christianity.

Dumbass, there is and should be no right to not be offended. If you never encounter anything that offends you, then you are not living in a free society.

EDIT: And as far as meeting a Muslim and discussing our fears with him, why on Earth would we do that? Should Muslims seek me out to discuss the Lord's Resistance Army and its atrocities?

Righties in Texas like talking about seceding (again). And many of them choose a Gadsden flag over the American flag, and get paranoid about the Federales in their states, either upholding Federal law like with KKKliven Bundy, or Federales running training exercises. Because FEMA camps.

Also: the American flag is a colored piece of cloth that acts as a symbol. Burning it is a First Amendment right of speech, just like making fun of <insert sky wizard here>.

I'd never burn an American flag...unless the government made it illegal.

 

[werepossum]

I'm a lapsed raised in the Midwest German Lutheran.

I want all these Evangelistic upstart newbie Protestant Right Wing guys to get off my lawn, he he.

Teasing a bit.

:whiste:

😉

Yard hooligans, America's silent epidemic.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Lefties in general, even if not you in particular. Don't find a lot of flag burning in the GOP or Libertarian circles.

If these people don't understand or support freedom of speech, you should burn all the flags you can till they do

EDIT: And as far as meeting a Muslim and discussing our fears with him, why on Earth would we do that? Should Muslims seek me out to discuss the Lord's Resistance Army and its atrocities?

That makes no sense at all
You can go discuss your fear of Muslims with a Muslim
A Muslim understands you have nothing to do with the LRA

 

[boomerang]

I can point out several posters here who haven't budged an inch with some of their whacked out ideas, no matter the amount of reasoning, facts, ridiculing, etc they have received for a decade now

Just curious, have you budged from some of your whacked out ideas or are your ideas all based in sanity and logic?

You come across as a textbook progressive. Your ideas and beliefs are the only logical ideas and beliefs and as such all people must embrace your ideas and beliefs. Anyone who doesn't deserves ridicule and derision.

I understand why you feel this way, I really do. I understand because I went through the same phase in my life. A phase where I was the only one with correct thoughts, where I was the only one that 'knew' and everyone else were imbecile's that barely deserved to walk on the same Earth I walked on.

But that all changed when I stopped thinking like a teenager.

You preach tolerance in a very intolerant manner.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Just curious, have you budged from some of your whacked out ideas or are your ideas all based in sanity and logic?

You come across as a textbook progressive. Your ideas and beliefs are the only logical ideas and beliefs and as such all people must embrace your ideas and beliefs. Anyone who doesn't deserves ridicule and derision.

I understand why you feel this way, I really do. I understand because I went through the same phase in my life. A phase where I was the only one with correct thoughts, where I was the only one that 'knew' and everyone else were imbecile's that barely deserved to walk on the same Earth I walked on.

But that all changed when I stopped thinking like a teenager.

You preach tolerance in a very intolerant manner.

I try to learn new things and change everyday,
I live my life

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Righties in Texas like talking about seceding (again).

LMAO!!!! I haven't heard any talk/seen any articles concerning any major secession movement, can you cite some credible sources?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well, they are all just stupid questions.
It's too bad you have never had a chance to meet a Muslim and discuss your fears with him
I'm sure you are surrounded by them, but you must not get out enough in your community to come across them.
If you did, you would find out they are just normal everyday good people

Thanks for not helping anyone.

Can't answer the questions, so they must be stupid.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Thanks for not helping anyone.

Can't answer the questions, so they must be stupid.

Cool, I'm still waiting for answers to the other questions.

I really am curious when it comes to the moderate Muslim's views are on such topics.

You had just stated you didn't want my replies, you wanted a moderate Muslims views.
That's why I suggested going and talking to one

 

[ch33zw1z]

You had just stated you didn't want my replies, you wanted a moderate Muslims views.
That's why I suggested going and talking to one

I asked why you were replying to me.

What's up with you Earl, what's your goal here? I mean, you act like you know, but don't provide answers.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I asked why you were replying to me.

What's up with you Earl, what's your goal here? I mean, you act like you know, but don't provide answers.

I'm just sitting here, shooting the shit with you
I don't know everything, all I can discuss is what I have learned from my experiences with Muslims and reading up on Islam

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm just sitting here, shooting the shit with you
I don't know everything, all I can discuss is what I have learned from my experiences with Muslims and reading up on Islam

From what I can tell, the vast majority of Muslims don't condone heinous acts. What we need in our country is a go between for the moderate Christians and moderate Muslims. The sensible people who can work together to educate more people.

 

[Orignal Earl]

From what I can tell, the vast majority of Muslims don't condone heinous acts. What we need in our country is a go between for the moderate Christians and moderate Muslims. The sensible people who can work together to educate more people.

The moderate Christians and Muslims are already getting along great.
You could probably google yourself up plenty of examples.
The only thing that hits American news I suppose is the stories of the extremist examples of both groups
A buddy of mine may show up today, he's a trucker and just as redneck as me, if he does I'll get a pic. John Deere hat, lumber jack jacket etc

 

[realibrad]

I'm already aware that the US shouldn't be considered a Christian country, despite them being the overwhelming majority. But again, I consider most are Christians only by the title, exactly as a huge part of the Muslims community these days.

As for bringing the Quran judgment, it was just a fyi note why it does anger the Islamic community, otherwise it's a meaningless for you of course.

Now I'd completely agree it's better for a generally non-religious nation, however, it's also noted and well addressed that a complete freedom of speech could eventually lead into atheism. That's why religions came to regulate and somehow restrict your thoughts to a degree.

Just to clarify, but are you saying freedom of speech is better for a non-religious nation, or that the government rules should be non-religious?

As for freedom of speech leading to atheism, maybe. I do agree that religious people have, however, used the government to keep this country far more religious than it otherwise would have been.

Nevertheless, it's not only religion which determine the freedom scope, there is also the constitution which serve to keep the nation function in addition to protect and serve the governors interests, as is the case in most of the Arabic countries for example.

Agree that those in power would like to say in power, for better or for worse.

I disagree that Western societies be considered overall better than Islamic ones.
Trust me in this, but each side have some qualities that the other lacks.
Short examples are such as respect, equality, and everybody minding his own business in the the Western one. While in fact, I found that we're more of a simple people, we trust each other more than you guys do, also solidarity presumably higher in Islamic nations (generally speaking).

This I vehemently disagree with. The US is not saint (zing), but it is far better than many of the Islamic societies.

Here is a PEW poll that helps explain my position.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01...ddle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/

The number not on the never side is far too many. Same thing goes with honor killings and other punishments. Remember, I am talking about societies and not governments. That is a much bigger and longer convo.

You would, I'm sure of this. Bus as "we" goes, history and present circumstances tells otherwise. Well, that is a long story for another time.


I prefer you rather replace "Western societies" with American one. As you're already aware about the prohibition of denying or mere questioning the 6-million figure in a lot of Western countries.
And here is a great point that must be emphasized; whenever I open Amazon and see the huge selection of books sold about every single possible topic, even those that talk bad about the US presidents, 9/11, holocaust and other matters, then you guys really have the right to defend your freedoms. Simply it might be not available as such in any other place in the world.

I know why they do it, but they are wrong for doing it, so we agree there.

Of course many wouldn't be able to acknowledge a religions or particularly Islamic view, since he never truly experienced to be religious in the first place. I'd say this is a main source of difference, if you can't acknowledge religions as a serious viewpoint then I'm at a huge disadvantage here.


Anyway, you have affected my mind on some points, although the gap would sure be still there between theory and practice.

I acknowledge religion as a viewpoint. I think the difference is that I don't consider it to be a valid viewpoint. You might have meant that and it was just a language barrier. You speak almost as well as I do, and I only know English 😛 .

The problem with religion in my view, is that it assumes a lot of answers, and fills in the gaps. That causes some pretty shitty justifications for people. If/when you feel your god has been offended, you are almost unbound in any action you take, because you are defending the most important thing ever. That is not a Islam issue, that is a religion issue. I will defend your right to believe and practice your religion, so far as it does not infringe on others rights. If you want to be apart of a religion, that is fine. But, if someone wants to stop free speech because it offends, they should not be able to legally. Granted, what many are now doing is going outside of the law, and there is little you can do about that other than prosecute.

Freedom>Security. That is a very bold statement, and I hope that I would have the courage to stick to that.

 

[realibrad]

Not all people of any group you choose are good people, that's just common sense right?
Why do you even want to jump to terrorist activities when talking about Muslims?
Why not talk about the millions of Muslims living perfectly peaceful lives around you

Religious terrorism is a really complicated topic. Just because a terrorist act is done by a Muslim doesn't mean it was religious just like when it's committed by a Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_terrorism

I am not sure if you meant your statement as an absolute, but that is what you made when you said...

If you did, you would find out they are just normal everyday good people

The problem with your statement is that its inherently conflicting. Muslims are just like everyone else, except that disproportionately make up religious terrorists. That is not a political statement, that is an empirical statement. The cause for that might be political, but the outcome is not.

Your point was that Muslims are no different, and yet they measurably are. That is why I asked my question.