Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

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fskimospy

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And why would it be so hard to say "yes I met with them as part of this or that committees program"

As a note, other Armed Services Committee members are saying that meeting with foreign diplomats is not a normal part of ASC duties. Usually the Foreign Relations Committee does that. I don't know enough about that committee to say either way, but it appears his excuse of doing other Senate related business is at least questionable.

Also, does anyone think it is likely that the Russian ambassador meets with one of the primary campaign surrogates for a campaign they are explicitly attempting to help and nothing about the election is discussed? It's possible, but not likely.
 
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As a note, other Armed Services Committee members are saying that meeting with foreign diplomats is not a normal part of ASC duties. Usually the Foreign Relations Committee does that. I don't know enough about that committee to say either way, but it appears his excuse of doing other Senate related business is at least questionable.

Also, does anyone think it is likely that the Russian ambassador meets with one of the primary campaign surrogates for a campaign they are explicitly attempting to help and nothing about the election is discussed? It's possible, but not likely.

I want to add a known recruiter for spy's/espionage too
 

Pens1566

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As a note, other Armed Services Committee members are saying that meeting with foreign diplomats is not a normal part of ASC duties. Usually the Foreign Relations Committee does that. I don't know enough about that committee to say either way, but it appears his excuse of doing other Senate related business is at least questionable.

Also, does anyone think it is likely that the Russian ambassador meets with one of the primary campaign surrogates for a campaign they are explicitly attempting to help and nothing about the election is discussed? It's possible, but not likely.

The reporters from one of the papers (WaPo?) have reached out to the members of that committee and none of them have met with the ambassador.
 

Jaskalas

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Sean Hannity rushes headlong unto the breach.
No, Attorney General Jeff Sessions DID NOT Lie Under Oath
"I never met with any Russian officials to discuss issues of the campaign," Sessions said. "I have no idea what this allegation is about. It is false."

Leahy wrote. "Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?” (emphasis added)

"No," Sessions responded.

They are sticking to that context. Let partisanship ensue?
 

zinfamous

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Would it help if you knew that the meeting took place as part of Sessions duties as a member of the Armed Services Committee?

What we have here is yet another attempt by the media to be the first out of the gate with a story. A story in which words, and phrases were left out in order to sway opinions in a direction desired by the media. It's sometimes referred to as fake news. Maybe you've heard that term before?

Sessions met the Ambassador the first time at an event where other Ambassadors were present. Note the word met, not met with. The second time was in his office as part of his duties as a member of Congress. Sessions was asked about “possible contacts between members of President Trump’s campaign and representatives of Moscow.” and he answered truthfully. If Dems are butt hurt because in hindsight they feel they should have asked a different question then maybe they can start a committee to look into rolling back time so that past mistakes could be corrected. I'm sure it will be successful because the intent will be sincere regardless of the outcome.

Some Democrats in Congress have already been swayed because they are less than bright individuals and are also being very vocal and putting their idiocy on display. Anyone here that wants to jump on board with them should consider running for Congress. The pay, the work schedule and most of all the bennies are pretty awesome and they'd fit right in.

So, perjury before Congress is no big deal? Or, well, except:

lying about a hummer: state crime!
lying about conversations with a foreign actor knowingly and actively-engaging in influencing our election process: Nothing to see!

You guys are so transparent that I'm surprised that you have enough mass to depress the keys on your keyboards.
 

fskimospy

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Sean Hannity rushes headlong unto the breach.
No, Attorney General Jeff Sessions DID NOT Lie Under Oath
"I never met with any Russian officials to discuss issues of the campaign," Sessions said. "I have no idea what this allegation is about. It is false."

Leahy wrote. "Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?” (emphasis added)

"No," Sessions responded.

They are sticking to that context. Let partisanship ensue?

From your quote Hannity appears to be ignoring Sessions's clearly false statement in response to Franken's question and is focusing on his written response to Lehey's question. His written response may also be a lie, but from what we know now only his statement to Franken is obviously false.

I for one am totally shocked that Sean Hannity would lie about something.
 

zinfamous

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Russia is the new Benghazi. I approve.

Russia!

difference here, is that this is actually real. Show me some actual evidence that Hillary is, in any way, responsible for Bengazi. You know, evidence. Not some cocked-up passion play of what you want to believe. Don't give me any long-winded connections preying on meaningless emotions and crying angry mothers.

Give me evidence. Show me something. Stop being a brainless puppet.
 

K1052

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Kind of amazing that Sessions has fallen into the exact same hole that Flynn did. After watching the exchange with Franken a few times I'm definitely of the opinion that he lied under oath in his confirmation hearing by way of the broad and absolute answer he gave. He should recuse himself of any investigation re: Russia and the FBI should investigate his testimony to congress and possibly refer the case for prosecution.
 

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And why would it be so hard to say "yes I met with them as part of this or that committees program"

Because he wasn't being asked about his duties as a US Senator on the Armed Forces Committee. I think it's very well known that he meets with Russian officials as a US Senator. One could venture to say it's part of his job.
 

brandonbull

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Well, aside from his verbal testimony, he answered a written question from Sen. Leahy that he hadn't met with any russians. No semantics of what role he was in. Also, kind of hard to frame a meeting with the ambassador at the republican convention as "senator duty". Interesting to see how he paid to be in Cleveland if that's the case.

So he had a meeting with Russian officials at a convention? Where lots of people go and meet other people but not necessarily meet with.
 

fskimospy

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Because he wasn't being asked about his duties as a US Senator on the Armed Forces Committee. I think it's very well known that he meets with Russian officials as a US Senator. One could venture to say it's part of his job.

Neither the question by Franken or his response made any distinction between his duties as a Senator and his duties for the campaign. That's an attempt to justify a clearly false statement after the fact.

Also, it is not well known that he meets with Russian officials as a US Senator. Other members of the Armed Services Committee say that is not part of their job and they have not ever met with the Russian ambassador.
 

Jhhnn

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Kind of amazing that Sessions has fallen into the exact same hole that Flynn did. After watching the exchange with Franken a few times I'm definitely of the opinion that he lied under oath in his confirmation hearing by way of the broad and absolute answer he gave. He should recuse himself of any investigation re: Russia and the FBI should investigate his testimony to congress and possibly refer the case for prosecution.

Screw that. Sessions needs to resign to preserve the integrity of the office.
 
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Because he wasn't being asked about his duties as a US Senator on the Armed Forces Committee. I think it's very well known that he meets with Russian officials as a US Senator. One could venture to say it's part of his job.

Then why not say that? How could he not know this would cause questions. Wouldn't it have been better to say yes I spoke with Russians as part of my capacity in the committee.
 

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Neither the question by Franken or his response made any distinction between his duties as a Senator and his duties for the campaign. That's an attempt to justify a clearly false statement after the fact.

Also, it is not well known that he meets with Russian officials as a US Senator. Other members of the Armed Services Committee say that is not part of their job and they have not ever met with the Russian ambassador.


Why was Franken asking Sessions about possible contact with Russian officials? One day he woke and thought to himself that he really needs to know if Sessions has meet with Russian officials?
 

K1052

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Screw that. Sessions needs to resign to preserve the integrity of the office.

Absent most of the GOP caucus calling for that I think it's a low probability. Trump will be inclined to defend Sessions vigorously.
 

fskimospy

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Why was Franken asking Sessions about possible contact with Russian officials? One day he woke and thought to himself that he really needs to know if Sessions has meet with Russian officials?

Probably because of all the other shady business that we've uncovered about contacts between Russian officials and Trump. Regardless it doesn't matter why he asked the question, Session's response was false and he was under oath.
 

Jhhnn

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Why was Franken asking Sessions about possible contact with Russian officials? One day he woke and thought to himself that he really needs to know if Sessions has meet with Russian officials?

So what? Senators can ask any questions they please in a confirmation hearing.
 

Jhhnn

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Absent most of the GOP caucus calling for that I think it's a low probability. Trump will be inclined to defend Sessions vigorously.

Flynn went right under the bus. Why not Sessions?

Hell- Flynn didn't even lie.
 

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He won't resign, he's the only thing protecting Trump from being investigated at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to back off of recusing himself. Schumer is fantasizing about creating a panel of judges with Ryan? I don't think even he believes that's a possibility.
 

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So he had a meeting with Russian officials at a convention? Where lots of people go and meet other people but not necessarily meet with.

Yeah, totally normal for the head spy in the US of a foreign county to be meeting campaign members at the campaign convention.

/headdesk
 

K1052

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Flynn went right under the bus. Why not Sessions?

Hell- Flynn didn't even lie.

Nobody liked Flynn except for Trump and Bannon. He had few friends and no political capital. It was never going to take much to oust him...it just happened a lot sooner than anybody expected.

Flynn lied to the VP who then went on TV and repeated that lie to the American people. Worse still the fact that he did this was admitted to the president but not the VP until the WP cracked it wide open. The polticial math that Trump needed Pence a lot more than he needed Flynn was really lopsided.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Screw that. Sessions needs to resign to preserve the integrity of the office.


Same was said of Hillary and the response was "prove it". Well that was correct. Hillary should not have resigned until evidence of wrongdoing during investigation was found. If it was found that serious legal issues emerged she should have resigned. There were none and she didn't and that's exactly what should have happened and the same standard applied to Sessions or any public official, be it Obama or Bush or Trump- those you love and those you hate deserve an investigation when the situation warrants. Hell, that applies to you and me.

I don't like these people but the "Dreyfus must be imprisoned because we all know he dunnit" mentality? No. Have an independent investigation and determine facts, THEN act as they demand.
 

theeedude

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Sean Hannity rushes headlong unto the breach.
No, Attorney General Jeff Sessions DID NOT Lie Under Oath
"I never met with any Russian officials to discuss issues of the campaign," Sessions said. "I have no idea what this allegation is about. It is false."

Leahy wrote. "Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?” (emphasis added)

"No," Sessions responded.

They are sticking to that context. Let partisanship ensue?

So you think a Trump surrogate meets with Russian ambassador during the election, which Russia has an intense interest in, and they don't talk about the election? What do you think they discussed, the weather?