Serious question about mormons

[Abe Froman]

Have a look at the Mormon Name Generator...

http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/mormon/

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Abe Froman
Have a look at the Mormon Name Generator...

http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/mormon/

Nightrain Lane Magarren...

 

[ReiAyanami]

as far as i know, Mormonism is the only Christian religion which believes people of other religions can still goto heaven

much like in Buddhism, where one can achieve enlightenment/nirvana without necessarily being Buddhist

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
as far as i know, Mormonism is the only Christian religion which believes people of other religions can still goto heaven

much like in Buddhism, where one can achieve enlightenment/nirvana without necessarily being Buddhist

In Christianity those that have not heard the word of God can still get in, those that told the Jehova's witnesses to get the hell off their porch are going to hell...

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Yax
So being a not so devoted christian, I haven't been going to church, but lately, I've been thinking about which church would be good and of all the church goers that I've met, I think the mormans have some of the nicest people. I'm thinking about giving that church a try.

I do have one question. Some people don't like mormans. I'm curious as to your reasons. Oh, please don't flame. If you're an athiest, then I already know your reason so you don't need to lecture me about how they're trying to push their beliefs onto you. I'm just interested in people who do go to church. What are some of the goods and bads?

I'd suggest you read the following information:

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

ROFL

Joseph Smith died not as a martyr, but in a gun battle in which he fired a number of shots. He was in jail at the time, under arrest for having ordered the destruction of a Nauvoo newspaper which dared to print an exposure (which was true) of his secret sexual liaisons. At that time he had announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States, set up a secret government, and secretly had himself crowned "King of the Kingdom of God."

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Yax
So being a not so devoted christian, I haven't been going to church, but lately, I've been thinking about which church would be good and of all the church goers that I've met, I think the mormans have some of the nicest people. I'm thinking about giving that church a try.

I do have one question. Some people don't like mormans. I'm curious as to your reasons. Oh, please don't flame. If you're an athiest, then I already know your reason so you don't need to lecture me about how they're trying to push their beliefs onto you. I'm just interested in people who do go to church. What are some of the goods and bads?

I'd suggest you read the following information:

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

ROFL

Joseph Smith died not as a martyr, but in a gun battle in which he fired a number of shots. He was in jail at the time, under arrest for having ordered the destruction of a Nauvoo newspaper which dared to print an exposure (which was true) of his secret sexual liaisons. At that time he had announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States, set up a secret government, and secretly had himself crowned "King of the Kingdom of God."

David Koresh Sr?

 

[aircooled]

Do you know how uncomfortable it is to ride a bike in black slacks, white dress shirt while wearing a skinny tie?

 

[JDub02]

OP, where do you live? Perhaps one of us could suggest a good church for you to check out.

 

[Falloutboy]

the religion is quite odd... and unfortionatly I live in mormonville myself and while I like my job and the area about a 1/3 to half the town is mormon.

granted its not utah by any means but the mormons still have alot of control in the city, although that is changing with the amount of people moving up from phx and california. but I do miss phx its very hard to find a good non-religous girl here.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
the religion is quite odd... and unfortionatly I live in mormonville myself and while I like my job and the area about a 1/3 to half the town is mormon.

granted its not utah by any means but the mormons still have alot of control in the city, although that is changing with the amount of people moving up from phx and california. but I do miss phx its very hard to find a good non-religous girl here.

I don't see that it is any more or less odd than any other religion.

 

[Schrodinger]

Reasons I don't like mormons. These come from a mormon I know/knew:

- He thought swearing was absolutely horrendous and evil. One word. At age 30 he would start SCREAMING in our class when someone dropped a word or two in a joke (AMONGST THEMSELVES no less..not even involving him). He would make it a point to be overly arsehole about it and come tell us or he would tell the lab instructors (LOL)

- He (and his religion) put too much emphasis on the family structure. He told me flat out they believe the only way to heaven is having many children. I about fell off my chair laughing. Him and his unemployed ass along with his wife and SIX (yes 6) children lived with his parents. They were STILL popping them out with no sign of slow down the last time I talked to him.

- He believes his wife should not be able to work and that all women should stay at home to raise children and do homeschooling (both of which I'm not too fond of).

- According to mormonism alcohol, caffeine, nicotine...hell any drug is evil and you will burn for eternity.

- Their "God" just came off too mean and hateful from what he explained.

- He was hypocritical in many ways. Just one of those high and mighty people do what I say not as I do. He would talk behind peoples backs, get into arguments...confrontational. I dislike people like that WHEN he poses as a religious almighty.

- He failed to acknowledge the original mormon branch that believed in polygamy. If you can't even follow the rules of your church then how are you going to tell me how to live?

- He failed to acknowledge when the mormons slaughtered countless people during their treck to claim Utah. Mountain Meadows Massacre? Oh shush..that didn't happen!

- Constantly bragged about missionaries to convert people. They would help villages in other countries so long as the people would convert. No thanks. My family has and does donate without strings attached the way it should be.

- He relied too much on his religion that was less than 200 years old.

 

[MechJinx]

This thread is funny. The number of inaccuracies about the mormon religion being portrayed as true is quite humorous. Before you start bashing a religion (any religion), make sure you have your facts straight, which most of the time means you should talk to members of the religion to get the story straight instead of reading material opposed to the religion or ex-members of the religion. Wow, for a group of people who always consider themselves to be quite educated, many people are showing their ignorance quite well in this thread. Please continue, I need a good laugh today.
*shakes head*
/pulls out a chair, some drinks, and settles in for a good time

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
And didn't these plates miraculously disappear or something?

I don't like them because they are just as bad as Jehova's witnesses. I don't come to your house and try and convert you, what gives them the privileges to do this to me?

Plus, the whole my body is my temple and I can't pollute it crap....

Sorry, but God did not say you could not drink coffee and soda.

Not to mention that each Mormom is required to make a 2 year pilgrimage out in the world where all they do is try and convert others...

<---raised Southern Baptist, now agnostic

Well they are right about coffee/soda/alchol. It is not good for your body to have.

No the Mormon does not require each member to take the pilgrimage. IT is up the the persone to decide if they are "called".

While i disagree with many things the Mormon church does and beleives. I do not think it is wrong or bad to join. Actually any of the churches are good to join. The beliefes and morele teaching is something that everyone should try and fallow.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: MechJinx
This thread is funny. The number of inaccuracies about the mormon religion being portrayed as true is quite humorous. Before you start bashing a religion (any religion), make sure you have your facts straight, which most of the time means you should talk to members of the religion to get the story straight instead of reading material opposed to the religion or ex-members of the religion. Wow, for a group of people who always consider themselves to be quite educated, many people are showing their ignorance quite well in this thread. Please continue, I need a good laugh today.
*shakes head*
/pulls out a chair, some drinks, and settles in for a good time

<---takes your chair and hands you the mic

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: MechJinx
This thread is funny. The number of inaccuracies about the mormon religion being portrayed as true is quite humorous. Before you start bashing a religion (any religion), make sure you have your facts straight, which most of the time means you should talk to members of the religion to get the story straight instead of reading material opposed to the religion or ex-members of the religion. Wow, for a group of people who always consider themselves to be quite educated, many people are showing their ignorance quite well in this thread. Please continue, I need a good laugh today.
*shakes head*
/pulls out a chair, some drinks, and settles in for a good time

One of the primary problems with your suggestion is that the vast majority of members don't even know what the church actually believes and are often in disbelief when confronted with actual proof. This is one of the principle reasons the church has a policy of excommunication on anything that doesn't present the church in a good light EVEN if the material is completely true.

The link I posted earlier is completely factual and contains a good list of things that ordinary members don't talk about/don't know and what you should know before you join.

 

[Stark]

so utah is home to the mormen?

If Mormons put Joseph Smith's teachings in the same "inspired thinking" category where most Christians place the writings of Luther, Calvin, Bonhoeffer, C.S. Lewis, etc, instead of calling it scripture, most Christians would have a much easier time with their Church.

I think mormons are some of the coolest people I know. And they take their religion more seriously than 90% of the "Christians" out there. I also think Joe Smith either 1. made up a bunch of stuff to get a following (L. Ron Hubbard style) or 2. really had some sort of experience in a cave that had nothing to do with revelation from the real God of Abraham (Mohammed). Because of that, I would never consider joining their church.

I'm reading "How Wide the Divide" right now and it's shedding a lot of the misconceptions I've held about Mormons. They still believe the same foundational truths as most mainline Christians, and have been persecuted despite it.

DNA research is starting to show that Smith was completely wrong in his "scriptural" history of the settlement of the Americas, and supposedly a lot of educated Mormons are starting to re-evaluate his stuff because of it.

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: DT4K
I'd suggest you learn how to spell it before you think about becoming one.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Nitemare
And didn't these plates miraculously disappear or something?

I don't like them because they are just as bad as Jehova's witnesses. I don't come to your house and try and convert you, what gives them the privileges to do this to me?

Plus, the whole my body is my temple and I can't pollute it crap....

Sorry, but God did not say you could not drink coffee and soda.

Not to mention that each Mormom is required to make a 2 year pilgrimage out in the world where all they do is try and convert others...

<---raised Southern Baptist, now agnostic

Well they are right about coffee/soda/alchol. It is not good for your body to have.

No the Mormon does not require each member to take the pilgrimage. IT is up the the persone to decide if they are "called".

While i disagree with many things the Mormon church does and beleives. I do not think it is wrong or bad to join. Actually any of the churches are good to join. The beliefes and morele teaching is something that everyone should try and fallow.

I'll stick with logic, and further my understanding of the world via education before this hocus-pocus, thank you very much.

 

[asm0deus]

mormons live longer on average statistically. most of them are higher quality people than the people posting in this thread. religion can make the difference between living a good life and living a great life.

pros
-----
hot chicks who want to get married
lots of people your age
the type of people who want to help others and make things better

cons
-----
lots of christians dont like them
they expect alot out of you
sitting through church WILL be boring if you have ADD (most of you do btw)

 

[Yax]

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: Mwilding
Pick a church based on its befielfs and teachings, not the personality of its congregation...

Teh winnar!

You know, when I was young, a minister once told me, don't put down any religion because no one truly knows which one God endorses. In the end, isn't it about the belief in God? So it would make sense to pick a church based on how you're treated in that church.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
Reasons I don't like mormons. These come from a mormon I know/knew:

- He thought swearing was absolutely horrendous and evil. One word. At age 30 he would start SCREAMING in our class when someone dropped a word or two in a joke (AMONGST THEMSELVES no less..not even involving him). He would make it a point to be overly arsehole about it and come tell us or he would tell the lab instructors (LOL)

- He (and his religion) put too much emphasis on the family structure. He told me flat out they believe the only way to heaven is having many children. I about fell off my chair laughing. Him and his unemployed ass along with his wife and SIX (yes 6) children lived with his parents. They were STILL popping them out with no sign of slow down the last time I talked to him.

- He believes his wife should not be able to work and that all women should stay at home to raise children and do homeschooling (both of which I'm not too fond of).

- According to mormonism alcohol, caffeine, nicotine...hell any drug is evil and you will burn for eternity.

- Their "God" just came off too mean and hateful from what he explained.

- He was hypocritical in many ways. Just one of those high and mighty people do what I say not as I do. He would talk behind peoples backs, get into arguments...confrontational. I dislike people like that WHEN he poses as a religious almighty.

- He failed to acknowledge the original mormon branch that believed in polygamy. If you can't even follow the rules of your church then how are you going to tell me how to live?

- He failed to acknowledge when the mormons slaughtered countless people during their treck to claim Utah. Mountain Meadows Massacre? Oh shush..that didn't happen!

- Constantly bragged about missionaries to convert people. They would help villages in other countries so long as the people would convert. No thanks. My family has and does donate without strings attached the way it should be.

- He relied too much on his religion that was less than 200 years old.

1) ok I know many people that think swearing is Evil. Thats not just a Mormon trait.

2) Yes the MOrmon church stresses family structure. Now how is that bad again? No they do not say you need to have as many children as possible. If that retard had 6 children while on walfare then that is his problem. It was NOT the church telling him to do it. Oh also homeschooling is not forced either. EDUCATION is though.

3) Alchol, Caffiene, and nicotine has been proven to bad for the body. Part of the Mormon church is treating you body as a gift from god. So not putting anything in it that is bad is part of that. Even if you do not believe in a religion still some good advice to fallow.

4) hate to tell you. But the new testament God is mean and vengeful. ex: flood, plauges, wars etc.

5) again you find people like this in any religion. Fallow the teaching not the members.

6) The orginal branch did allow it. BUT they do not anymore. they have even de-frocked people that do it.

7) Ok so that happened. But shall we discredit the catholic church because of the Crusades?

8) They help other countries. They try to get them to convert. IT is not a requirment for getting aid. but they will push it as hard as they can.

9) well if time frame is a issue then we should forget all other religions but say buddaism etc. they are faw older then christanity.



I went to the mormon church for a few years. I agree with a LOT they teach but didnt care for the overall church. IT just does not feel like a church it is more like a business. I disagreed with the no alchohole since the bible says Jesus turned water into wine.

But for many people it is good for them. Same as others can do without it. Either way i dont see the point of bashing something that is there to help poeple live there lives.

 

[MechJinx]

Originally posted by: FlyLice
Covenant is between Man and God. The Church is within your heart.

The Bible also warns of false prophets. The definition of false prophet is one who contacts God through an angel (or not directly with God Himself?). True prophets have direct contact with God. I believe Mormon was started by a guy (forget his name, too lazy to look up) who was contacted by an angel. Mohammed (of Islam) was also contacted by an angel, not directly with God.

Since I was handed the mic, might as well start at the beginning and start fixing inaccuracies

Joseph Smith spoke with God and Jesus Christ. Hmmm, get your facts straight.
For reference, read the intro to the Book of Mormon or the Pearl of Great Price: Joseph Smith: History chapter 1:11-20

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Nitemare
And didn't these plates miraculously disappear or something?

I don't like them because they are just as bad as Jehova's witnesses. I don't come to your house and try and convert you, what gives them the privileges to do this to me?

Plus, the whole my body is my temple and I can't pollute it crap....

Sorry, but God did not say you could not drink coffee and soda.

Not to mention that each Mormom is required to make a 2 year pilgrimage out in the world where all they do is try and convert others...

<---raised Southern Baptist, now agnostic

Well they are right about coffee/soda/alchol. It is not good for your body to have.

No the Mormon does not require each member to take the pilgrimage. IT is up the the persone to decide if they are "called".

While i disagree with many things the Mormon church does and beleives. I do not think it is wrong or bad to join. Actually any of the churches are good to join. The beliefes and morele teaching is something that everyone should try and fallow.

I'll stick with logic, and further my understanding of the world via education before this hocus-pocus, thank you very much.

So the core beliefs (wich are pretty much the same as many bible based religions) are wrong? so the 10 commandments are outdated?

the main point of any religion (besides makeing money for the people in charge) is to give a person a set of guidlines to live there life.

But i agree you really do not need a religion for this. But trouble is to big a population of the world does.

 

[MechJinx]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Astonishing - choosing a religion because of the perception that people who follow it are "nice". Who cares what kinds of crazy sh!t they do - as long as the people are nice I say give it a go!

:roll:

To continue my time with the mic....

Hmmm, Been a member all of my life, care to ask me about the crazy stuff that I do, I'm one of the most boring, ordinary people I know. Guess I must be doing something wrong, wonder why I'm a member in good standing????

 

[Schrodinger]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
Reasons I don't like mormons. These come from a mormon I know/knew:

- He thought swearing was absolutely horrendous and evil. One word. At age 30 he would start SCREAMING in our class when someone dropped a word or two in a joke (AMONGST THEMSELVES no less..not even involving him). He would make it a point to be overly arsehole about it and come tell us or he would tell the lab instructors (LOL)

- He (and his religion) put too much emphasis on the family structure. He told me flat out they believe the only way to heaven is having many children. I about fell off my chair laughing. Him and his unemployed ass along with his wife and SIX (yes 6) children lived with his parents. They were STILL popping them out with no sign of slow down the last time I talked to him.

- He believes his wife should not be able to work and that all women should stay at home to raise children and do homeschooling (both of which I'm not too fond of).

- According to mormonism alcohol, caffeine, nicotine...hell any drug is evil and you will burn for eternity.

- Their "God" just came off too mean and hateful from what he explained.

- He was hypocritical in many ways. Just one of those high and mighty people do what I say not as I do. He would talk behind peoples backs, get into arguments...confrontational. I dislike people like that WHEN he poses as a religious almighty.

- He failed to acknowledge the original mormon branch that believed in polygamy. If you can't even follow the rules of your church then how are you going to tell me how to live?

- He failed to acknowledge when the mormons slaughtered countless people during their treck to claim Utah. Mountain Meadows Massacre? Oh shush..that didn't happen!

- Constantly bragged about missionaries to convert people. They would help villages in other countries so long as the people would convert. No thanks. My family has and does donate without strings attached the way it should be.

- He relied too much on his religion that was less than 200 years old.

1) ok I know many people that think swearing is Evil. Thats not just a Mormon trait.

2) Yes the MOrmon church stresses family structure. Now how is that bad again? No they do not say you need to have as many children as possible. If that retard had 6 children while on walfare then that is his problem. It was NOT the church telling him to do it. Oh also homeschooling is not forced either. EDUCATION is though.

3) Alchol, Caffiene, and nicotine has been proven to bad for the body. Part of the Mormon church is treating you body as a gift from god. So not putting anything in it that is bad is part of that. Even if you do not believe in a religion still some good advice to fallow.

4) hate to tell you. But the new testament God is mean and vengeful. ex: flood, plauges, wars etc.

5) again you find people like this in any religion. Fallow the teaching not the members.

6) The orginal branch did allow it. BUT they do not anymore. they have even de-frocked people that do it.

7) Ok so that happened. But shall we discredit the catholic church because of the Crusades?

8) They help other countries. They try to get them to convert. IT is not a requirment for getting aid. but they will push it as hard as they can.

9) well if time frame is a issue then we should forget all other religions but say buddaism etc. they are faw older then christanity.



I went to the mormon church for a few years. I agree with a LOT they teach but didnt care for the overall church. IT just does not feel like a church it is more like a business. I disagreed with the no alchohole since the bible says Jesus turned water into wine.

But for many people it is good for them. Same as others can do without it. Either way i dont see the point of bashing something that is there to help poeple live there lives.

It wasn't bashing so much as just voicing my opinion on why I think it is not the way to God and living a meaningful life (which is what all religions purport to be, right?). The op wanted our opinions on what we thought of mormons and mormonism. I said what I have experienced and why I dislike it.