Serious question about mormons

[FlyLice]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: FlyLice
Covenant is between Man and God. The Church is within your heart.

The Bible also warns of false prophets. The definition of false prophet is one who contacts God through an angel (or not directly with God Himself?). True prophets have direct contact with God. I believe Mormon was started by a guy (forget his name, too lazy to look up) who was contacted by an angel. Mohammed (of Islam) was also contacted by an angel, not directly with God.

His name was Joseph Smith, I believe.
But the rest of your stuff sounds like somewhat specific religious beliefs.

Joseph Smith found plates in the forest or something that was in Egyptian and contained the true words of God. I dunno how anyone can believe in Mormonism considering this is how it started. It sounds like the guy was just in it to make a church and make lots of money.

I think there's a great South Park episode that shows how Joseph Smith started Mormonism.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

So are food, alcohol, porno, music, drugs, philosophy, and online dating services. So whats your point?

 

[FlyLice]

I mean any Christian church that claims other Christian church's are false church's is questionable (Catholics?, Mormoms). The whole point of Christianity was a direct connection to God through Jesus Christ, while before JC Jews had to go through Rabbis and Prophets etc.

 

[FlyLice]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

So are food, alcohol, porno, music, drugs, philosophy, and online dating services. So whats your point?

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[CRXican]

Originally posted by: FlyLice

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

So are food, alcohol, porno, music, drugs, philosophy, and online dating services. So whats your point?

HAHAHHAHAHA PWNED

how so? that doesn't even make sense

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

You do realize that parroting Marx doesn't make you smart, and isn't even very popular these days?

The 60's are OVER, my friend.

 

[FlyLice]

Then, according to his own account (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History 1:29-54), he was paid a bedside visit by the angel Moroni in 1823. Moroni, who professed to be the glorified son of a man named Mormon (who had been dead 1400 years), told Joe about a book of golden plates which contained "the fulness of the everlasting Gospel." This book was said to have been buried at Cumorah Hill, near Palmyra, New York, some 1400 years earlier by the man named Mormon. Four years later (1827), Joe supposedly dug up the golden plates along with a gigantic pair of spectacles which he called "the Urim and Thummim." The spectacles were for translating the hieroglyphics on the plates. With the help of his only legal wife and a friend named Oliver Cowdery, Joe translated the plates and published the Book of Mormon in 1830. Later that same year, Joe, his wife, his brothers (Hyrum and Samuel), and Cowdery established the "Church of Jesus Christ," which is known today as the "Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints."

The Book of Mormon contains many plagiarisms of the King James English (at least 25,000 words). This is strange since the plates were supposed to have been in the ground many centuries before the King James Bible was completed in 1611! The Book of Mormon also contains many errors such as claims of elephants in the Western Hemisphere and advanced metal producing capabilities in America before 400 A.D. (See Walter Martin's Kingdom of the Cults for a fine study in the errors of the Mormon Bible)

The Mormons, under Smith's command, turned out to be a rough bunch. Joe was a polygamist with at least twenty- seven wives (some say over 60 wives). The whole gang left New York for Ohio, and then moved to Missouri. The Missouri governor ran them out of the state, so they settled in Nauvoo, Illinois, and built the state's largest city. In 1844, Joe and Hyrum were thrown in jail. Then an angry mob stormed the jail and murdered them both. Naturally, this "martyrdom" insured the perpetual reverence of the great "prop

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

You do realize that parroting Marx doesn't make you smart, and isn't even very popular these days?

The 60's are OVER, my friend.

truth isn't a fad

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

You do realize that parroting Marx doesn't make you smart, and isn't even very popular these days?

The 60's are OVER, my friend.

truth isn't a fad

Amen

 

[FlyLice]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

You do realize that parroting Marx doesn't make you smart, and isn't even very popular these days?

The 60's are OVER, my friend.

truth isn't a fad

Amen

Marxism is truth? That's why it fell/doesn't work/kills/failed/etc?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

You do realize that parroting Marx doesn't make you smart, and isn't even very popular these days?

The 60's are OVER, my friend.

truth isn't a fad

How about providing some supporting evidence, instead of just popularized quotes? What you're doing is just as bad as quoting the Bible as proof of Christianity :roll:

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: FlyLice

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: FlyLice
Covenant is between Man and God. The Church is within your heart.

The Bible also warns of false prophets. The definition of false prophet is one who contacts God through an angel (or not directly with God Himself?). True prophets have direct contact with God. I believe Mormon was started by a guy (forget his name, too lazy to look up) who was contacted by an angel. Mohammed (of Islam) was also contacted by an angel, not directly with God.

His name was Joseph Smith, I believe.
But the rest of your stuff sounds like somewhat specific religious beliefs.

Joseph Smith found plates in the forest or something that was in Egyptian and contained the true words of God. I dunno how anyone can believe in Mormonism considering this is how it started. It sounds like the guy was just in it to make a church and make lots of money.

I think there's a great South Park episode that shows how Joseph Smith started Mormonism.

Yep, that was a classic episode of SP.
:music: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb :music:

 

[Hankerton]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: FlyLice

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

So are food, alcohol, porno, music, drugs, philosophy, and online dating services. So whats your point?

HAHAHHAHAHA PWNED

how so? that doesn't even make sense

haha, agreed. I was going to say religion is for the naive, but whatever, not trying to start trouble.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: CRXican
religion is a crutch for the weak

You do realize that parroting Marx doesn't make you smart, and isn't even very popular these days?

The 60's are OVER, my friend.

truth isn't a fad

How about providing some supporting evidence, instead of just popularized quotes? What you're doing is just as bad as quoting the Bible as proof of Christianity :roll:

well while i wasn't aware that 'truth isn't a fad' was a popular quote (aka google returned 0 results) people typically find religion when they can't handle situations and need support. i'm not saying whether religion is a good or a bad thing, i'm simply stating that it just makes people feel better about themselves and others.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Yax
So being a not so devoted christian, I haven't been going to church, but lately, I've been thinking about which church would be good and of all the church goers that I've met, I think the mormans have some of the nicest people. I'm thinking about giving that church a try.

I do have one question. Some people don't like mormans. I'm curious as to your reasons. Oh, please don't flame. If you're an athiest, then I already know your reason so you don't need to lecture me about how they're trying to push their beliefs onto you. I'm just interested in people who do go to church. What are some of the goods and bads?

I'd suggest you read the following information:

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

that's a good read. crazy sh1t. i can't believe people follow that.

 

[SuRgEoN]

It's a fvuck'd up religion.

 

[jread]

Originally posted by: rhino56
i believe in God, but not because people have told me of him, but because his wonders have been made known to me.

That is basically the core belief of Deism. I consider myself a Deist and I think there are many others who believe the same but don't even know about Deism.

http://www.deism.org/frames.htm

 

[rhino56]

http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: FlyLice

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: FlyLice
Covenant is between Man and God. The Church is within your heart.

The Bible also warns of false prophets. The definition of false prophet is one who contacts God through an angel (or not directly with God Himself?). True prophets have direct contact with God. I believe Mormon was started by a guy (forget his name, too lazy to look up) who was contacted by an angel. Mohammed (of Islam) was also contacted by an angel, not directly with God.

His name was Joseph Smith, I believe.
But the rest of your stuff sounds like somewhat specific religious beliefs.

Joseph Smith found plates in the forest or something that was in Egyptian and contained the true words of God. I dunno how anyone can believe in Mormonism considering this is how it started. It sounds like the guy was just in it to make a church and make lots of money.

I think there's a great South Park episode that shows how Joseph Smith started Mormonism.

And didn't these plates miraculously disappear or something?

I don't like them because they are just as bad as Jehova's witnesses. I don't come to your house and try and convert you, what gives them the privileges to do this to me?

Plus, the whole my body is my temple and I can't pollute it crap....

Sorry, but God did not say you could not drink coffee and soda.

Not to mention that each Mormom is required to make a 2 year pilgrimage out in the world where all they do is try and convert others...

<---raised Southern Baptist, now agnostic

 

[whattaguy]

Mormonism - based on what man needs to do; legalism
Christianity - based on what God has already completed through Jesus; grace

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: jread

Originally posted by: rhino56
i believe in God, but not because people have told me of him, but because his wonders have been made known to me.

That is basically the core belief of Deism. I consider myself a Deist and I think there are many others who believe the same but don't even know about Deism.

http://www.deism.org/frames.htm

guess i would be more toward deism also

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: jread

Originally posted by: rhino56
i believe in God, but not because people have told me of him, but because his wonders have been made known to me.

That is basically the core belief of Deism. I consider myself a Deist and I think there are many others who believe the same but don't even know about Deism.

http://www.deism.org/frames.htm

What do you call seeing is believing? and someone who believes in evolution?

 

[FlyLice]

Originally posted by: whattaguy
Mormonism - based on what man needs to do; legalism
Christianity - based on what God has already completed through Jesus; grace

Wow, well said.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: FlyLice

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: FlyLice
Covenant is between Man and God. The Church is within your heart.

The Bible also warns of false prophets. The definition of false prophet is one who contacts God through an angel (or not directly with God Himself?). True prophets have direct contact with God. I believe Mormon was started by a guy (forget his name, too lazy to look up) who was contacted by an angel. Mohammed (of Islam) was also contacted by an angel, not directly with God.

His name was Joseph Smith, I believe.
But the rest of your stuff sounds like somewhat specific religious beliefs.

Joseph Smith found plates in the forest or something that was in Egyptian and contained the true words of God. I dunno how anyone can believe in Mormonism considering this is how it started. It sounds like the guy was just in it to make a church and make lots of money.

I think there's a great South Park episode that shows how Joseph Smith started Mormonism.

And didn't these plates miraculously disappear or something?

I don't like them because they are just as bad as Jehova's witnesses. I don't come to your house and try and convert you, what gives them the privileges to do this to me?

Plus, the whole my body is my temple and I can't pollute it crap....

Sorry, but God did not say you could not drink coffee and soda.

Not to mention that each Mormom is required to make a 2 year pilgrimage out in the world where all they do is try and convert others...

<---raised Southern Baptist, now agnostic

Same here. Grew up going to a southern baptist church..and slowly I grew tired of it..by the time I was 8-10 I didn't really wanna go anymore...I remember being baptized, but not really caring, I just thought I was supposed to do it. Then HS came along...by then thought I had pretty much realized that I didn't believe in the same thing my parents do. We still have discussions about it..they hope that one day I will realize the truth (as they call it) etc..I just humor them. I told them if it was meant to be, it will happen...

Since it cant be proven one way or the other...agnostic is what I shall be.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Not to mention that each Mormom is required to make a 2 year pilgrimage out in the world where all they do is try and convert others...

One of my best friends is currently in the second year of his mission. I'll tell you what, though... as a whole, Mormons are by far the nicest group of people I know. Although I do question the basis of his religion, especially when he claims to be a Christian, I have never (and will never) question his faith.

Similar to Catholisism, Mormonism has many rules that must be strictly followed. If you don't, you will never be inducted into the temple (or you will eventually be ex-communicated). Some were mentioned above, such as not being allowed to consume caffeine (even though that is impossible to do by definition), etc.

Of course, I am by no means an expert in Mormonism. I have read the Book of Mormon (naturally, my friend was required to send me a copy) and have had many discussions with him about it, but that is the extent of my knowledge.

However, whatever you do, don't call the Mormon church unless you are really serious about joining. The moment they receive the call, you will have two members at your doorstep wanting to convert you (well, once they get off of their bicycles, that is ).