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Captante

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This is already a thread derail, but I just want to ask those that have never voted absentee if they know how hard it actually is? There are steps to verify your identity along the way whether it's your physical address or your driver license (in my state you need ID) and if you make a mistake on the thing it can get tossed. My wife signed in the wrong place and didn't initial where she was supposed to, thankfully being rural and small the volunteer called her and asked her to correct it else her vote would not have counted.

I just hate hearing all the time by the rubes about how the Democrats can magically vote more than once and vote for other people with mail in ballots. As we've seen from the very few people that have actually tried that shit (mostly R's) they bust you for that.


It actually would have been really easy in Connecticut.... I received mail-in ballots well before the last several elections without even asking for them and all I needed to do was fill them out and mail them back if I had wanted to use them.
 

nOOky

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It actually would have been really easy in Connecticut.... I received mail-in ballots well before the last several elections without even asking for them and all I needed to do was fill them out and mail them back if I had wanted to use them.

Then I submit to you that you should have tried that, and seen what the end result was and reported back here. Because you would have been caught, and it would be interesting to see how you would try to wiggle out of it.
 

Captante

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Then I submit to you that you should have tried that, and seen what the end result was and reported back here. Because you would have been caught, and it would be interesting to see how you would try to wiggle out of it.

Easy big fella.... sorry to "steal your thunder" lol but I MEANT that it would have been easy for me to vote by mail ONCE if I preferred and nothing more.

;)
 

nOOky

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Easy big fella.... sorry to "steal your thunder" lol but I MEANT that it would have been easy for me to vote by mail ONCE if I preferred and nothing more.

;)

Okay then, your reply really seemed to focus on the multiple and not the process, thanks for clearing your confusion up!

"I received mail-in ballots well before the last several elections without even asking for them and all I needed to do was fill them out and mail them back if I had wanted to use them."
 

HomerJS

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Coming from someone that thinks showing identification when you vote is some kind of racist plot instead of a reasonable check of eligibility and voting security. When you buy a firearm you have to show id, have a background check, and then pay for the privilege of having your rights infringed. Let's apply that to voting.
When you purposely set up the ID to have a disparate effect on people of color it is. Me and others have said if it is the responsibility of the government to issue every eligible voter and ID then everything's cool but you people won't do that.

You keep doing things like closing polling places in majority/minority districts. Allowing conceal carry license for voting but not student ID
 

Captante

Lifer
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When you purposely set up the ID to have a disparate effect on people of color it is. Me and others have said if it is the responsibility of the government to issue every eligible voter and ID then everything's cool but you people won't do that.

You keep doing things like closing polling places in majority/minority districts. Allowing conceal carry license for voting but not student ID


I would say that's a separate issue and part of the "institutional racism" many on the right are determined to convince their supporters doesn't actually exist.

In and of itself there's nothing wrong with confirming a person is voting legally by checking voter ID however as we know all too well the "devil is in the details".

If Republicans REALLY cared only about requiring ID for ALL voters couldn't a deal have been arranged with the "quid-pro-quo" being that the state would need to supply all voters WITH said voter-ID as part of their registration?

Obviously it COULD have and FACT IS that the GOP DOES NOT only care about voter-ID, they care about keeping Democrats away from the polls which is supposedly illegal.
 

Lanyap

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Second Amendment




A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Just imagine if all the controls you want on Arms were applied to voting Rights? Would you find it acceptable? Me either and i don't accept the illegal controls on Arms too.



I doubt if these two idiots are in "A well regulated Militia".
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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Second Amendment




A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Just imagine if all the controls you want on Arms were applied to voting Rights? Would you find it acceptable? Me either and i don't accept the illegal controls on Arms too.
So any lone wolf, rogue voter can show up to a school with a ballot in hand and massacre everyone in sight? Ahh yes, those damned Armalite Ballot 15s (or AB-15s for short).

"shall not be infringed" is in no way synonymous with "cannot be regulated".
We already regulate guns. Given that we do a pretty shitty job, the answer is clearly not "more guns" but "fewer guns".

On the other hand, our voting regulations do an excellent job of mitigating ballot fraud. Conservative voters ironically do a great job of proving that. So no, there is no need for additional voting restrictions.

It's almost like there's data behind all this to make an informed decision!
 

soundforbjt

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So any lone wolf, rogue voter can show up to a school with a ballot in hand and massacre everyone in sight? Ahh yes, those damned Armalite Ballot 15s (or AB-15s for short).

"shall not be infringed" is in no way synonymous with "cannot be regulated".
We already regulate guns. Given that we do a pretty shitty job, the answer is clearly not "more guns" but "fewer guns".

On the other hand, our voting regulations do an excellent job of mitigating ballot fraud. Conservative voters ironically do a great job of proving that. So no, there is no need for additional voting restrictions.

It's almost like there's data behind all this to make an informed decision!
Yeah, if it was really a problem then republicans could easily demonstrate why a voter ID is needed. So far they haven’t which should tell any rational person it’s not an issue to be concerned about.
 
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What do you think an ID check is when you've already had your ID check at voter registration? Lol.
Doesn't everyone have a photo id like a driver's license? No, poor, rural, elderly, minority voters are disproportionately affected because of the lack of need and/or cost in time and money to obtain a valid photo id.

It's also telling when a state like Texas will allow a CWP card to be used but not a Texas state university photo id. Once again, conservatives showing their hypocrisy

Maybe we should have an id check every time you go to use your guns. And if you don't use them often enough, you have to go through a background check again because your name was removed from the registry.
1. Bullshit, you act as if rural voters and minority voters are too stupid to get a photo id, talk about veiled racism.

2. Not a problem, practice, practice, practice.
 
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Fenixgoon

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1. Bullshit, you act as if rural voters and minority voters are too stupid to get a photo id, talk about veiled racism.

2. Not a problem, practice, practice, practice.
Where did I say they're stupid?

If the nearest DMV is 2 hours away, and a driver's license is required as a valid ID, that puts you at a disadvantage compared to someone who lives 5 minutes from multiple DMVs.

A driver's license has a cost associated with it. While it isn't "huge", it nonetheless is a fee that acts as a barrier to voting, which disadvantages poor people who may then have to choose between registration and food, shelter, transportation to work, or other fundamental necessities.

Many elderly simply elect not to drive, so they don't have a license because they don't need one. But now they can't transport themselves, so they need public transit systems of some kind. And because our public transit is shit, registration also becomes difficult.

Because minorities are more likely to be poor and/or underserved, they are very much disproportionately affected by one or more of the above.

Nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof, and everything to do with the systematic barriers that have been purposefully setup to prevent certain demographics from participating in voting.

The great irony is that remedying these things would making voting easier for EVERYONE.

Very conveniently, the ACLU has a handy dandy fact sheet.

And unlike so many conservative organizations that add "freedom" or "patriot" to their name, the ACLU actually does work to protect civil liberties, even in very unpopular cases.
 

Moonbeam

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Where did I say they're stupid?

If the nearest DMV is 2 hours away, and a driver's license is required as a valid ID, that puts you at a disadvantage compared to someone who lives 5 minutes from multiple DMVs.

A driver's license has a cost associated with it. While it isn't "huge", it nonetheless is a fee that acts as a barrier to voting, which disadvantages poor people who may then have to choose between registration and food, shelter, transportation to work, or other fundamental necessities.

Many elderly simply elect not to drive, so they don't have a license because they don't need one. But now they can't transport themselves, so they need public transit systems of some kind. And because our public transit is shit, registration also becomes difficult.

Because minorities are more likely to be poor and/or underserved, they are very much disproportionately affected by one or more of the above.

Nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof, and everything to do with the systematic barriers that have been purposefully setup to prevent certain demographics from participating in voting.

The great irony is that remedying these things would making voting easier for EVERYONE.

Very conveniently, the ACLU has a handy dandy fact sheet.

And unlike so many conservative organizations that add "freedom" or "patriot" to their name, the ACLU actually does work to protect civil liberties, even in very unpopular cases.
These aren't bugs, they are features. People like that shouldn't be allowed to vote. No sane person would allow someone like that to vote in a way that is against their own best interest. Selfishness is good. If you don't work for your own interests and be damned about the interest of losers, you will be eaten alive. You want to be first in the lunch line. This is human nature or what capitalism creates. Who knows or who cares. I me me mine is where it's at. And don't tell me that makes me bad. Just look at all the losers. You can have that life style.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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1. Bullshit, you act as if rural voters and minority voters are too stupid to get a photo id, talk about veiled racism.

2. Not a problem, practice, practice, practice.
Let me paraphrase Taj

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80% + support voting id laws, even a majority in YOUR own party support it. Sorry to introduce facts when you're just trying to be a douche.


Let me paraphrase Taj

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MrSquished

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from what i see majority of urban people are against guns, most rural people are for guns. has zero to do with intelligence and some may say. (lots here will say rural people are ignorant). States have various hunting seasons, some even have pistol season. ESPECIALLY with how bad inflation is and how much prices of meat have skyrocketted, more rural people have gone back to hunting. $300 hunting rifle and $30 in ammo can get you $600 in meat easily, and then have that same rifle next year. That is assuming you only get one deer. But there is doe season, open season, buck season, lets not forget duck/quail/pheasant season with a shotgun and small game season. I grew up rural, single mother raising 5 boys, i know first hand how much being able to hunt helps put food on the table.

There will always be cases like the ones linked here, they are bad, but they make up a super small amount of what happens. But as always they are always center stage for control. One child getting shot is always bad. Gun control advocates use them for their reasoning. You are more likely to get hit by a drunk driver than shot by someone. But no one is calling for the ban of alchohal (been tried before, didnt work out too well, expect the same if guns are banned)
Rural people are more ignorant than anybody else in this country by ratio. Just look at who they vote for. It's not disputable by any means.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Where did I say they're stupid?

If the nearest DMV is 2 hours away, and a driver's license is required as a valid ID, that puts you at a disadvantage compared to someone who lives 5 minutes from multiple DMVs.

A driver's license has a cost associated with it. While it isn't "huge", it nonetheless is a fee that acts as a barrier to voting, which disadvantages poor people who may then have to choose between registration and food, shelter, transportation to work, or other fundamental necessities.

Many elderly simply elect not to drive, so they don't have a license because they don't need one. But now they can't transport themselves, so they need public transit systems of some kind. And because our public transit is shit, registration also becomes difficult.

Because minorities are more likely to be poor and/or underserved, they are very much disproportionately affected by one or more of the above.

Nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof, and everything to do with the systematic barriers that have been purposefully setup to prevent certain demographics from participating in voting.

The great irony is that remedying these things would making voting easier for EVERYONE.

Very conveniently, the ACLU has a handy dandy fact sheet.

And unlike so many conservative organizations that add "freedom" or "patriot" to their name, the ACLU actually does work to protect civil liberties, even in very unpopular cases.
You're talking to a literal shit stain on humanity who enjoys being a shit stain and ignores reality because they want to be a shit stain. These people are irredeemable horrible creatures, it's bad enough we have to live with them let alone have them have disproportionate power in this country
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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80% + support voting id laws, even a majority in YOUR own party support it. Sorry to introduce facts when you're just trying to be a douche.

According to your own link they also support early voting, not removing people from voter rolls, and not limiting the number of drop boxes. Why aren’t republicans pushing those favored policies along with voter ID laws?

It’s because they know idiots like you won’t call them on their bull shit. You happily repeat their talking points and happily point out policies a majority of Americans favor EXCEPT the ones you don’t like because you know and the politicians you vote for know, it will lead to more losses for “your team”. You are a, “party before country” kind of guy. You’ll happily play the role of piece of shit human and support policies like killing immigrant kids and arresting women for making their own choices with their own bodies, along with attempts at overthrowing our government, all because it helps your party. You are so brainwashed that you can’t even see how unamerican you are.

Now run away like a little bitch ass traitor like you do in EVERY thread where people call you on your bull shit (which is every thread you respond in).
 

Shmee

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I was interested in buying a rifle, I was talking to a friend who lives in Idaho who owns a SCAR 17. But I soon realized that even if I only get the 10 round mags, there still are a lot of limitations on what I can buy/own here, in California. Like, is it true, that in CA rifles cannot even have detachable magazines?

So I thought, may as well just move to Dallas later, possibly. Before I buy any firearms. I could sell the house, and buy a nicer house there, and still have a lot of cash left over. Also I have friends in the area, and that is where QuakeCon is!

Though I will probably just start out with a .22 of some sort, they are better I hear for starting and the ammo is much cheaper.
 
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I was interested in buying a rifle, I was talking to a friend who lives in Idaho who owns a SCAR 17. But I soon realized that even if I only get the 10 round mags, there still are a lot of limitations on what I can buy/own here, in California. Like, is it true, that in CA rifles cannot even have detachable magazines?

So I thought, may as well just move to Dallas later, possibly. Before I buy any firearms. I could sell the house, and buy a nicer house there, and still have a lot of cash left over. Also I have friends in the area, and that is where QuakeCon is!

Though I will probably just start out with a .22 of some sort, they are better I hear for starting and the ammo is much cheaper.
Dallas should be fun.

 

GodisanAtheist

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Well the obvious solution to this is to ensure that everyone is not only armed, but shooting at everyone else all the time. No accidental shootings if everyone is shooting each other on purpose.

Would put some fuzz on the peaches running to the corner store to pick up some milk

*shopkeeper, exhanging gunfire with 2-3 patrons in the store*

BLAM BLAM BLAM "Sorry we only take card" BLAM BLAM "on purchases of five dollars or more"

*me, exchanging gunfire with other shoppers + shopkeeper*

"I'm pretty sure thats Illegal but" BLAM " OK throw this Cadburys on there" BLAM BLAM BLAM
 
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Moonbeam

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I was interested in buying a rifle, I was talking to a friend who lives in Idaho who owns a SCAR 17. But I soon realized that even if I only get the 10 round mags, there still are a lot of limitations on what I can buy/own here, in California. Like, is it true, that in CA rifles cannot even have detachable magazines?

So I thought, may as well just move to Dallas later, possibly. Before I buy any firearms. I could sell the house, and buy a nicer house there, and still have a lot of cash left over. Also I have friends in the area, and that is where QuakeCon is!

Though I will probably just start out with a .22 of some sort, they are better I hear for starting and the ammo is much cheaper.
I think everything depends on why you want to buy a rifle. The difference between a SCAR 17 and a 22 rifle is quite dramatic. If your reason for buying a rifle would be satisfied by a 22 rifle that would be a good reason to buy one in California and not the other. You can own a tubular mag 22 up to 18 rounds I believe. That would be like a traditional 22 rifle. It is probably the most common first gun that most people first shot when they were young and a good choice for a first rifle. It is massively less deadly than a SCAR a new US military standard designed to be effective against body armor. It is also far easier to carry.

It is also available for less money although you can spend a lot of a competition worthy 22. You can buy them semi-automatic, bolt action, AR 15 style, take down survivalist, lever action, and single shot, etc. You can also buy 22LR pistols of numerous kinds.

You can own 10 detachable AR15 style rifles in California but not full featured. You can get around that with a few seconds longer mag exchange with devices that lock the mag while in place but break the rifle open slightly to eject it. Then you can go full feature. The limit is on the 10 round mag, and no sound suppressors. Hopefully the Supreme court will eliminate those state law as well. The ten round magazine rule won't stop anybody who has a larger one from using it for bad reasons but lack of availability might serve some useful purpose, but the silencer law is absurd. A suppressed AR still makes lots of noise but will help people with neighbors if you can legally shoot on your property or live around a rifle range and it can save your hearing and make shooting much more fun target practicing. The California legislature is absolutely stupid when it comes to guns.

Military style rifles, for example, such a scary term, were all civilian inventions and improvements made in modern times to improve on inferior military weapons.
 
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