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Second Amendment




A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Just imagine if all the controls you want on Arms were applied to voting Rights? Would you find it acceptable? Me either and i don't accept the illegal controls on Arms too.
 
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balloonshark

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I've made it a habit to watch dash cam videos about twice a week. When you do this you come to the realization that a shockingly large amount of people shouldn't be allowed to drive, get a drivers license or own a vehicle. They not only put themselves in danger, they endanger the lives of other drivers and pedestrians. Many of these people even use their cars as weapons by brake checking and swerving towards other drivers. Then you come to realize that each and every one of those people can easily buy and own semi-automatic firearms and it's easier to revoke their drivers license than it is take away their AR15 with a binary trigger and 50 round drum mag.
 

Moonbeam

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My guess is that the right to bear arms is tied up with the right to self defense. I can't imagine a person who is faces a deadly threat or who is with a loved one who is would not use a gun if they had one available to protect themselves. However, when the fear of being shot by some enraged gun owner looms larger in the imagination than the the hope of self defense, it would be natural in that case to want all guns banned. But that rubs up against the right to bear arms for self defense so it becomes a question psychologically of whether you want to forego your capacity to defend yourself over the fear that others who want to do so also might lose their minds and kill you instead.. In that case it would be natural also to justify to yourself this abdication of self defense on the theory that with gun ownership comes the risk you will shoot yourself or you will lose it and shoot somebody else.

Personally, I come down on the side of gun ownership and personal self protection over the illusion that outlawing guns will make me safer from other people. The greatest danger I see is not being able to defend myself were I to have that need. I am pretty confident I'm not going to shoot anybody not intent on harming me as a imminent threat. Life is sacred.
 

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I've made it a habit to watch dash cam videos about twice a week. When you do this you come to the realization that a shockingly large amount of people shouldn't be allowed to drive, get a drivers license or own a vehicle. They not only put themselves in danger, they endanger the lives of other drivers and pedestrians. Many of these people even use their cars as weapons by brake checking and swerving towards other drivers. Then you come to realize that each and every one of those people can easily buy and own semi-automatic firearms and it's easier to revoke their drivers license than it is take away their AR15 with a binary trigger and 50 round drum mag.
Where do you access those videos?
 
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Moonbeam

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Where do you access those videos?
All the good ones come from Russia. They are amazing drivers.

PS: It wouldn't be good for you to watch that kind of video. It will just make you lose more faith than you already have in your fellow human beings. But if you insist, I suggest low bridge video cams. They are quite amusing.
 
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Muse

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All the good ones come from Russia. They are amazing drivers.

PS: It wouldn't be good for you to watch that kind of video. It will just make you lose more faith than you already have in your fellow human beings. But if you insist, I suggest low bridge video cams. They are quite amusing.
I already figure all drivers are "deaf, dumb, blind and malicious."
 

woolfe9998

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Knives are menacing, often deadly, but they don't travel at twice the speed of sound and come at you 10 per second.

And hence are unable to penetrate things like cars, doors etc.

I once read an article by someone who I think was ex-military, was some kind of expert on firearms. He said that portrayals of guns in fiction are very inaccurate in that they penetrate and go through solid barriers much easier than depicted. He said that portrayals of people using open car doors as cover in a gunfight is basically a joke. A bullet will pass through the thin metal and synthetic materials in a car door and right into the body of the person behind it every time. Also said a typical bullet will penetrate 3-6 inches into solid concrete , depending on muzzle velocity and range.

There was that case pretty recently where that cop fired at an assailant in a department store, and one bullet ricocheted off the floor, then went through a wall into an adjacent dressing room, killing a teenage girl who was in the room with her mother. This is one reason firearms are so uniquely dangerous,
 
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And hence are unable to penetrate things like cars, doors etc.

I once read an article by someone who I think was ex-military, was some kind of expert on firearms. He said that portrayals of guns in fiction are very inaccurate in that they penetrate and go through solid barriers much easier than depicted. He said that portrayals of people using open car doors as cover in a gunfight is basically a joke. A bullet will pass through the thin metal and synthetic materials in a car door and right into the body of the person behind it every time. Also said a typical bullet will penetrate 3-6 inches into solid concrete , depending on muzzle velocity and range.

There was that case pretty recently where that cop fired at an assailant in a department store, and one bullet ricocheted off the floor, then went through a wall into an adjacent dressing room, killing a teenage girl who was in the room with her mother. This is one reason firearms are so uniquely dangerous,
I have had 8, 25 cal bullets put into my car. Obviously a small bullet but luckily I didn't lose any blood. All went through the first layer of steel. None penetrated after after that. They all came apart after the first layer.

Road ragers can eat a dick.
 

Bitek

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And hence are unable to penetrate things like cars, doors etc.

I once read an article by someone who I think was ex-military, was some kind of expert on firearms. He said that portrayals of guns in fiction are very inaccurate in that they penetrate and go through solid barriers much easier than depicted. He said that portrayals of people using open car doors as cover in a gunfight is basically a joke. A bullet will pass through the thin metal and synthetic materials in a car door and right into the body of the person behind it every time. Also said a typical bullet will penetrate 3-6 inches into solid concrete , depending on muzzle velocity and range.

There was that case pretty recently where that cop fired at an assailant in a department store, and one bullet ricocheted off the floor, then went through a wall into an adjacent dressing room, killing a teenage girl who was in the room with her mother. This is one reason firearms are so uniquely dangerous,

Movies are fake, not really news.

If you are forced to have to use car for cover, get behind the engine block.

I don't know what is considered a "typical bullet", but 6" into solid concrete sounds total bullshit. I've shot plenty of 45s into steel targets and you just get a paper thin pancake of lead and chipped paint on your target.

The most common handgun round, 9mm, penetrates ballistic gel only 12-18"

This guy is awesome, but not flashy.
 
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Bitek

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2A guarantees everyone who shouldn’t own a gun, can.

Only in America

Really? How do think that's true?

In November 2021, LV Raiders football player Henry Ruggs III was driving his Chevy Corvette 156mph on a LV city road when he struck a Rav4, violently bursting the Toyota into flames, burning the victim driver to death.

Ruggs was also drunk, 2x over the legal limit. He also had a loaded handgun in the car.

Ruggs was charged with multiple felonies, and is currently at home on house arrest while his lawyers continuously delay trial.

Now ..

Was there any national call to ban Corvettes, or pass any prohibition of manufacturing of cars that can exceed any legal speed limits?
- No

Was there any national prohibition of alcohol?
- No

Are sports cars or alcohol protected by constitutional amendments?
- No

Can sports cars or alcohol protect you or your family from rapists, intruders, homicidal domestic abusers?
- No.

Did anyone sue GM? Why did they manufacture such a dangerous car? Did we question the need?
- No

Did anyone sue the brewery or distillery?
- No

Why?
- Ruggs is an adult who use accountable for his actions. Car doesn't drive itself, beer didn't surprise anyone by causing drunkenness.

Can Ruggs still buy a Corvette right now?
- YES

Can he still buy beer?
- YES, (but if he drinks it he'll be in violation of house arrest terms)

Can he buy another gun?
- NO! He will fail a mandatory background check due to the felonies.

Despite being the only thing protected by the Constitution, it's the only item seized in his deadly night of mayhem and murder he's prevented from owning ever again.
 
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MrSquished

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Really? How do think that's true?

In November 2021, LV Raiders football player Henry Ruggs III was driving his Chevy Corvette 156mph on a LV city road when he struck a Rav4, violently bursting the Toyota into flames, burning the victim driver to death.

Ruggs was also drunk, 2x over the legal limit. He also had a loaded handgun in the car.

Ruggs was charged with multiple felonies, and is currently at home on house arrest while his lawyers continuously delay trial.

Now ..

Was there any national call to ban Corvettes, or pass any prohibition of manufacturing of cars that can exceed any legal speed limits?
- No

Was there any national prohibition of alcohol?
- No

Are sports cars or alcohol protected by constitutional amendments?
- No

Can sports cars or alcohol protect you or your family from rapists, intruders, homicidal domestic abusers?
- No.

Did anyone sue GM? Why did they manufacture such a dangerous car? Did we question the need?
- No

Did anyone sue the brewery or distillery?
- No

Why?
- Ruggs is an adult who use accountable for his actions. Car doesn't drive itself, beer didn't surprise anyone by causing drunkenness.

Can Ruggs still buy a Corvette right now?
- YES

Can he still buy beer?
- YES, (but if he drinks it he'll be in violation of house arrest terms)

Can he buy another gun?
- NO! He will fail a mandatory background check due to the felonies.

Despite being the only thing protected by the Constitution, it's the only item seized in his deadly night of mayhem and murder he's prevented from owning ever again.

Comparing a gun to any of those is insanely idiotic.

A guns sole purpose is to maim and kill. That's it. In a compact easy to carry item meant to be able to deal death and injury from close and afar. Anything else it does is not its primary trait.

A car's main purpose is to transport people and stuff.

Many things have primary purposes that can also on some level hurt people. Nobody is arguing to regulate everything that can hurt people the same as things that are purely designed to do so.

They are nowhere near alike.

I can't believe people still make these really stupid arguments.

It's kindergarten level logic.
 

woolfe9998

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Movies are fake, not really news.

If you are forced to have to use car for cover, get behind the engine block.

I don't know what is considered a "typical bullet", but 6" into solid concrete sounds total bullshit. I've shot plenty of 45s into steel targets and you just get a paper thin pancake of lead and chipped paint on your target.

The most common handgun round, 9mm, penetrates ballistic gel only 12-18"

This guy is awesome, but not flashy.

I don’t think steel is a good analogy to concrete. Just read a few articles on the topic. In addition to caliber, muzzle velocity and range, it heavily depends on the density of the concrete, how porous versus solid it is.

I may also have gotten some specifics wrong as I read it awhile ago. His point is that people often think they are protected when they’re not because many people have little experience with firearms IRL and what they see on TV tends to underestimate the penetrative properties of bullets.
 

Zorba

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Really? How do think that's true?

In November 2021, LV Raiders football player Henry Ruggs III was driving his Chevy Corvette 156mph on a LV city road when he struck a Rav4, violently bursting the Toyota into flames, burning the victim driver to death.

Ruggs was also drunk, 2x over the legal limit. He also had a loaded handgun in the car.

Ruggs was charged with multiple felonies, and is currently at home on house arrest while his lawyers continuously delay trial.

Now ..

Was there any national call to ban Corvettes, or pass any prohibition of manufacturing of cars that can exceed any legal speed limits?
- No

Was there any national prohibition of alcohol?
- No

Are sports cars or alcohol protected by constitutional amendments?
- No

Can sports cars or alcohol protect you or your family from rapists, intruders, homicidal domestic abusers?
- No.

Did anyone sue GM? Why did they manufacture such a dangerous car? Did we question the need?
- No

Did anyone sue the brewery or distillery?
- No

Why?
- Ruggs is an adult who use accountable for his actions. Car doesn't drive itself, beer didn't surprise anyone by causing drunkenness.

Can Ruggs still buy a Corvette right now?
- YES

Can he still buy beer?
- YES, (but if he drinks it he'll be in violation of house arrest terms)

Can he buy another gun?
- NO! He will fail a mandatory background check due to the felonies.

Despite being the only thing protected by the Constitution, it's the only item seized in his deadly night of mayhem and murder he's prevented from owning ever again.
One big difference, besides the obvious, is driving drunk and speeding were already very illegal. But carrying around a loaded gun while angry or stupid is not.

Can Ruggs legally drive a car right now?
- No

Does a Corvette serve a purpose other than killing someone?
- Yes

Does beer serve a propose other than killing someone?
- Yes

Can a car protect you?
- Yes, it can allow you to flee the dangerous situation. I'm not going to look for data, but I'm guessing getting into a car and leaving has saved far more people than guns.

But seriously what do guns do to people's brains, I think a lot of gun nuts would tolerate someone talking shit about their wife and kids more than their guns.
 
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cytg111

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Second Amendment




A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Just imagine if all the controls you want on Arms were applied to voting Rights? Would you find it acceptable? Me either and i don't accept the illegal controls on Arms too.

What is happening in Ukraine right now? What good is those assault rifles? Its a shelling game, and you know, even in the US, I dont think you can buy mortars and rocket launchers under the 2nd.
Point being, your argument is shit.
 
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ch33zw1z

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What is happening in Ukraine right now? What good is those assault rifles? Its a shelling game, and you know, even in the US, I dont think you can buy mortars and rocket launchers under the 2nd.
Point being, your argument is shit.
Just imagine if Republicans cared about any other Amendment with the same vigor as the 2A.

Just imagine if people were required to enlist in a state militia to gain the right.
 

cytg111

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Just imagine if Republicans cared about any other Amendment with the same vigor as the 2A.

Just imagine if people were required to enlist in a state militia to gain the right.

And thats exactly how it works in Scandinavia, plus when we enlist we get the mandatory security and background checks and before we get to take the guns home a proper inspection of regulative storage compartment is done. Cant just flood the streets with guns man, you crazy?