See How You Stack up to Weight Lifting Standards

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Whisper
According to those charts, my best guesses are as follows (based on a body weight of ~165 lbs., give or take a few depending on the day):

Bench: Elite (~320)
Shoulder: I'd guess elite, as I am able to rep 175 three or so times by my fourth set, although I've never done a one-rep max
Squat: Between intermediate or advanced, although I've never maxed on this exercise, either
Deadlift and Clean: Don't do either

Edit: I should note for the shoulder press, were I to be strict about it, I'm guessing the one-rep max would probably vary between 160 and 175. I've never given it a try, but based on regular reps alone, I know how quickly adding just a few pounds can make it seem unholy.

Pics or I raise the BS flag.

:laugh:

Haha I'll see what I can find to help appease the inquiring minds of ATOT.

And no, I don't do deadlifts, or really any other olympic-type lifts. Not that I have anything against them, and I definitely respect the guys at my gym(s) who do all that, as I certainly couldn't. I just don't have much interest in them, and I'm quite content with the results that my particular workout plans give me.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I hate having long limbs....it makes me leverage impaired

Seriously though, shorter guys (like Deeko's 5'6" build) can just put up monster lifts for their body weight.

A good friend of mine in college was only 5'4" and about 135. He could do sets of 310 on the bench. He was a wrecking ball of muscle.

But they still have to work hard. It doesn't just come to them .

DB stuff is harder but the MP is done with a barbell same with the BP. It's just what the 'measured' standards are with. People start at different positions with DB's. People bounce BP also so that doesn't count...

Koing

So my DB press doesn't count?

Well not really. DB press is different to a Military Press as your using a barbell. Barbell definately starts on across your shoulders. The DB can start at various heights depending what people do. Some guys have the DB rest on their shoulders = the weight starts higher up = easier to lift. The handle of the DB should be equal to shoulder height but no one does this...if you put up decent numbers it wouldn't take long to lift more on a MP at all. They are just standards that people can be compared by. No biggie

DB stuff is more often then not harder then the barbell stuff.

Whisper, those are some sick numbers! But no Deads or Cleans! wtf?!

Drop Snatchs.
85kg x 3reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfoNVjS26Hk

90kg x 3reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VmGLdvBUk0

95kg x 1/2reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sSrDbwDCI

Koing

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy
dammit now I need to take a camera into ballys and tape my benching.

No dude, I think most of us believe you too...juicer!

(kidding!)

I do love making my own orange mango juice.

 

[geecee]

I AM ELITE! Oh wait. I'm not a 97 lb female. Bah. Just untrained then.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I hate having long limbs....it makes me leverage impaired

Seriously though, shorter guys (like Deeko's 5'6" build) can just put up monster lifts for their body weight.

A good friend of mine in college was only 5'4" and about 135. He could do sets of 310 on the bench. He was a wrecking ball of muscle.

But they still have to work hard. It doesn't just come to them .

DB stuff is harder but the MP is done with a barbell same with the BP. It's just what the 'measured' standards are with. People start at different positions with DB's. People bounce BP also so that doesn't count...

Koing

So my DB press doesn't count?

Well not really. DB press is different to a Military Press as your using a barbell. Barbell definately starts on across your shoulders. The DB can start at various heights depending what people do. Some guys have the DB rest on their shoulders = the weight starts higher up = easier to lift. The handle of the DB should be equal to shoulder height but no one does this...if you put up decent numbers it wouldn't take long to lift more on a MP at all. They are just standards that people can be compared by. No biggie

DB stuff is more often then not harder then the barbell stuff.

Whisper, those are some sick numbers! But no Deads or Cleans! wtf?!

Drop Snatchs.
85kg x 3reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfoNVjS26Hk

90kg x 3reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VmGLdvBUk0

95kg x 1/2reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sSrDbwDCI

Koing

Yeah, I might give them a try at some point, but I just haven't ever really had any interest in doing them. And in the end, in my opinion at least, it's all about what you enjoy doing. I'd likely give DLs a go before cleans, though, considering that knowing me, I'd probably attempt a clean and jerk and end up sprawled out on the floor unconscious.

Edit: as far as the pics go, just as a general comment, I'd be happy to post pictures of myself, although I don't have any--and don't plan on ever taking any--at the gym.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Personally, I <3 dumbbells. I do dumbbell for all my bench presses.

I love DBs too. It feels like a more natural motion when pressing.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Personally, I <3 dumbbells. I do dumbbell for all my bench presses.

I love DBs too. It feels like a more natural motion when pressing.

I did DB's for the longest time and I just switched back to the bar a few months ago. It's hard to say which is more difficult. When you do one for a long time, the other will seem harder. Maybe I've just used DB's for soo long, but I actually like the feeling of the bar much more.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Whisper
Yeah, I might give them a try at some point, but I just haven't ever really had any interest in doing them. And in the end, in my opinion at least, it's all about what you enjoy doing. I'd likely give DLs a go before cleans, though, considering that knowing me, I'd probably attempt a clean and jerk and end up sprawled out on the floor unconscious.

Edit: as far as the pics go, just as a general comment, I'd be happy to post pictures of myself, although I don't have any--and don't plan on ever taking any--at the gym.

Trainings all about what you want and love doing. Me I can't be assed to curl so I hardly ever do curls. I only do curls as a preventative measure to have overall balance and so I don't injure myself!

Me I love Olympic lifting. It is my passion and I love it. Hopefully in a couple of years I'll be challenging and mixing it up with the big boys :thumbsup: at the senior championships.

I wouldn't try a heavy C&J without practicing it! Do some barwork if you want to learn it properly.

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Personally, I <3 dumbbells. I do dumbbell for all my bench presses.

I love DBs too. It feels like a more natural motion when pressing.

I did DB's for the longest time and I just switched back to the bar a few months ago. It's hard to say which is more difficult. When you do one for a long time, the other will seem harder. Maybe I've just used DB's for soo long, but I actually like the feeling of the bar much more.

DB stuff is definately more natural and you get a better range. I did some decline DB press yesterday for the first time in years. Felt good

DB is more difficult to do, you can handle and balance the weight better using two arms on the same bar. Makes it quite a lot easier.

Takes some practice to go from one to the other unless you do both.

Koing

 

[alexeikgb]

Advanced in all (except clean which i don't do)... close to elite on bench

 

[RapidSnail]

My new records so far are:

Deadlift: 225 lbs. x 1

Press (DB): 110 lbs. x 2


Today was shoulders, and I managed to achieve two reps with two 55 lb. DB's .

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
So my DB press doesn't count?

Well not really. DB press is different to a Military Press as your using a barbell. Barbell definately starts on across your shoulders. The DB can start at various heights depending what people do. Some guys have the DB rest on their shoulders = the weight starts higher up = easier to lift. The handle of the DB should be equal to shoulder height but no one does this...if you put up decent numbers it wouldn't take long to lift more on a MP at all. They are just standards that people can be compared by. No biggie

DB stuff is more often then not harder then the barbell stuff.

Whisper, those are some sick numbers! But no Deads or Cleans! wtf?!

Drop Snatchs.
85kg x 3reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfoNVjS26Hk

90kg x 3reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VmGLdvBUk0

95kg x 1/2reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sSrDbwDCI

Koing

When I do DB presses, I do the full ROM. I've always been the type of guy to make sure I do something the right way and the complete way, even if it means a more difficult lift. That's exactly the reason why I do the full squat.

For the DB press I start as low as possible, meaning that I allow my triceps to touch the sides of my ribs and the tops of my knuckles are even with my clavicle . This is as far as I can go. I then push up to fully extended for one repetition and repeat.

(The point at which the shoulders are being worked the most is below parallel to parallel. I know a lot of guys at the gym who start at parallel which isn't as effective. The second half of the press is more triceps. I could be wrong though.)

What I am slightly confused about is what best way to hold the DB's. Normally, when at the lowest point, I twist the DB's so that they are perpendicular to my clavicle. Today, I tried keeping them parallel with my clavicle, which seemed not too different. I've also tried bringing my arms around to the front at the lowest point so that my palms are toward my face and the DB's are almost touching ends. Which way would be most effective way, or the one most like the MP?

Nice videos by the way :thumbsup:. Form looks good from my end, but then again I'm no expert.

 

[JS80]

i don't see a 165lbs man benching 319

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: JS80
i don't see a 165lbs man benching 319

Genetics play the biggest part. If you are naturally small framed and lankier, you just aren't going to be putting up that kind of weight.

Most of the guys that are weighing in at 165 and putting up that kind of iron are in the 5'6" and under height range.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
What I am slightly confused about is what best way to hold the DB's. Normally, when at the lowest point, I twist the DB's so that they are perpendicular to my clavicle. Today, I tried keeping them parallel with my clavicle, which seemed not too different. I've also tried bringing my arms around to the front at the lowest point so that my palms are toward my face and the DB's are almost touching ends. Which way would be most effective way, or the one most like the MP?

Nice videos by the way :thumbsup:. Form looks good from my end, but then again I'm no expert.

Most like a MP would be to have your palms facing away from you and the DB that way. Have a go with a barbell and see what you get. These are just standard tests that people compare with each other. DB stuff is very tough.

Videos are okay. I need to get sharper, faster, tighter and be more steady at the bottom. It is my 2nd weakest lift, the weakest being Jerks from racks. Definately going to jack up my Drop Snatchs before the end of the year. Hoping to hit 110-115Kg .

5'8 150lbs too small? Not when you have pretty cut! Love his elegance, ease of movement, style, flair, balance, flexibility and all around badassness!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMKerW8EJzo

Alexey Nemov my all time favorite Gymnast . Love the fact that he is a tall gymnast as most Gymnasts at the elite level are short!

Koing

 

[SuzQ]

Definately elite! All 5'5", 105 lbs of me... j/k

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: SuzQ
Definately elite! All 5'5", 105 lbs of me... j/k

OoOoo perfect! see you tonight :Q

 

[SuzQ]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: SuzQ
Definately elite! All 5'5", 105 lbs of me... j/k

OoOoo perfect! see you tonight :Q

:Q

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: JS80
i don't see a 165lbs man benching 319

Genetics play the biggest part. If you are naturally small framed and lankier, you just aren't going to be putting up that kind of weight.

Most of the guys that are weighing in at 165 and putting up that kind of iron are in the 5'6" and under height range.

Yeah, I can definitely attest to the roles that genetics and body type play. I remember my senior year of undergrad (2005), I figured I was leaving school, so I might as well enter one of the semesterly bench press competitions. I weighed in somewhere around 165 or 166, and got the following weights for my three tries: 290, 300, 310. Didn't come close to winning the weight class, since it went up to 175, but thought I might have a chance at the bodyweight/max competition. I was mistaken.

The guy who won that was also in my weight class (~165), and he could've done reps with 325. I don't think he was a great deal shorter than me (maybe 5'8" to my 5'10"), but good lord, was he strong.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: JS80
i don't see a 165lbs man benching 319

Genetics play the biggest part. If you are naturally small framed and lankier, you just aren't going to be putting up that kind of weight.

Most of the guys that are weighing in at 165 and putting up that kind of iron are in the 5'6" and under height range.

Actually most here are lying.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: JS80
i don't see a 165lbs man benching 319

Genetics play the biggest part. If you are naturally small framed and lankier, you just aren't going to be putting up that kind of weight.

Most of the guys that are weighing in at 165 and putting up that kind of iron are in the 5'6" and under height range.

Yeah, I can definitely attest to the roles that genetics and body type play. I remember my senior year of undergrad (2005), I figured I was leaving school, so I might as well enter one of the semesterly bench press competitions. I weighed in somewhere around 165 or 166, and got the following weights for my three tries: 290, 300, 310. Didn't come close to winning the weight class, since it went up to 175, but thought I might have a chance at the bodyweight/max competition. I was mistaken.

The guy who won that was also in my weight class (~165), and he could've done reps with 325. I don't think he was a great deal shorter than me (maybe 5'8" to my 5'10"), but good lord, was he strong.

that's insane

 

[Koing]

165lbs reps with 325lbs? Thats crazy...

My mate has most of you guys beat

220Kg ~ 484lbs BP strict, no bounce, no BP shirt! He can rep with 180Kg ~ 396lbs . He weighs 120Kg @ 6'. Big unit.

Koing

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Koing
165lbs reps with 325lbs? Thats crazy...

My mate has most of you guys beat

220Kg ~ 484lbs BP strict, no bounce, no BP shirt! He can rep with 180Kg ~ 396lbs . He weighs 120Kg @ 6'. Big unit.

Koing

Yeah, it was pretty crazy to watch. The guy honestly didn't look horrendously strong, either. Don't get me wrong, you could tell he worked out regularly, but he wasn't built like a brick or anything.

Just goes to show, as soon as you start to think you're pretty good at something, someone comes along and humbles you all over again.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Personally, I <3 dumbbells. I do dumbbell for all my bench presses.

I love DBs too. It feels like a more natural motion when pressing.

I did DB's for the longest time and I just switched back to the bar a few months ago. It's hard to say which is more difficult. When you do one for a long time, the other will seem harder. Maybe I've just used DB's for soo long, but I actually like the feeling of the bar much more.

DB stuff is definately more natural and you get a better range. I did some decline DB press yesterday for the first time in years. Felt good

DB is more difficult to do, you can handle and balance the weight better using two arms on the same bar. Makes it quite a lot easier.

Takes some practice to go from one to the other unless you do both.

Koing

I used to do the military press w/the barbell years ago. I stopped because I popped my shoulder out of the socket trying to lift it off the holster from just a little bit behind me. It was my first day back after xmas break in college too

So now I just do dumbell because I really have problems lifting the barbell off of the holster w/out someone behind me lifting it off for me. I forget what I was repping back then, but now when I do shoulders I typically warm up w/the 55lb dumbells, and will do 3 sets. Usually I will do 75lbs x 8, then do 80lbs x 6-8, and depending how that feels, sometimes I'll try 85lbs and only do a few of them.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Koing
165lbs reps with 325lbs? Thats crazy...

My mate has most of you guys beat

220Kg ~ 484lbs BP strict, no bounce, no BP shirt! He can rep with 180Kg ~ 396lbs . He weighs 120Kg @ 6'. Big unit.

Koing

Yeah, it was pretty crazy to watch. The guy honestly didn't look horrendously strong, either. Don't get me wrong, you could tell he worked out regularly, but he wasn't built like a brick or anything.

Just goes to show, as soon as you start to think you're pretty good at something, someone comes along and humbles you all over again.

Indeed, always someone better...there are probably 1000's of 15-17yr old kids in China that would DEMOLISH everyone here...saw a video of a 17yr old Chinse kid C&J 170Kg for a DOUBLE! FREAK.

I think when I start cracking on to 135/165 I'd say I'm a monster but know that the Chinese kids would make mince meat out of me haha. Too bad I started at 16. Little bro will be a monster. He has 8months training and he turns 12 in April. He'll be looking at an Olympic game. He can put up 38kg weighing 36Kg already

Koing