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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: shortspanishguy
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Personally, I <3 dumbbells. I do dumbbell for all my bench presses.

I love DBs too. It feels like a more natural motion when pressing.

I did DB's for the longest time and I just switched back to the bar a few months ago. It's hard to say which is more difficult. When you do one for a long time, the other will seem harder. Maybe I've just used DB's for soo long, but I actually like the feeling of the bar much more.

DB stuff is definately more natural and you get a better range. I did some decline DB press yesterday for the first time in years. Felt good :)

DB is more difficult to do, you can handle and balance the weight better using two arms on the same bar. Makes it quite a lot easier.

Takes some practice to go from one to the other unless you do both.

Koing

I used to do the military press w/the barbell years ago. I stopped because I popped my shoulder out of the socket trying to lift it off the holster from just a little bit behind me. It was my first day back after xmas break in college too :(

So now I just do dumbell because I really have problems lifting the barbell off of the holster w/out someone behind me lifting it off for me. I forget what I was repping back then, but now when I do shoulders I typically warm up w/the 55lb dumbells, and will do 3 sets. Usually I will do 75lbs x 8, then do 80lbs x 6-8, and depending how that feels, sometimes I'll try 85lbs and only do a few of them.
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Koing

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
I used to do the military press w/the barbell years ago. I stopped because I popped my shoulder out of the socket trying to lift it off the holster from just a little bit behind me. It was my first day back after xmas break in college too :(

So now I just do dumbell because I really have problems lifting the barbell off of the holster w/out someone behind me lifting it off for me. I forget what I was repping back then, but now when I do shoulders I typically warm up w/the 55lb dumbells, and will do 3 sets. Usually I will do 75lbs x 8, then do 80lbs x 6-8, and depending how that feels, sometimes I'll try 85lbs and only do a few of them.

Ouch :(

Holster? You mean stand or rack right?

I don't rack weights well when I BP either. I always need a spot to help me take it off then I do my reps. I guess I'm just weak at unracking the BP :p

I always Clean my weight up to do a Military Press. I don't do DB MP as I want that dam bodyweight press sometime! I think I'll do some tomorrow :) Yeah once a week normal MP.

Hey you done a SOTS PRESS? Get in to the bottom of a squat position, now do your presses from this position. Makes your abs really strong. I like this exercise and do it on Tuesday lunchtimes. Great for your back also as well as your pressing.

Koing
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I used to do the military press w/the barbell years ago. I stopped because I popped my shoulder out of the socket trying to lift it off the holster from just a little bit behind me. It was my first day back after xmas break in college too :(

So now I just do dumbell because I really have problems lifting the barbell off of the holster w/out someone behind me lifting it off for me. I forget what I was repping back then, but now when I do shoulders I typically warm up w/the 55lb dumbells, and will do 3 sets. Usually I will do 75lbs x 8, then do 80lbs x 6-8, and depending how that feels, sometimes I'll try 85lbs and only do a few of them.

Ouch :(

Holster? You mean stand or rack right?

I always Clean my weight up to do a Military Press. I don't do DB MP as I want that dam bodyweight press sometime! I think I'll do some tomorrow :) Yeah once a week normal MP.

Hey you done a SOTS PRESS? Get in to the bottom of a squat position, now do your presses from this position. Makes your abs really strong. I like this exercise and do it on Tuesday lunchtimes. Great for your back also as well as your pressing.

Koing

Yah whatever the term is called is what I meant :p

And no I haven't done a SOTS press. Seems like it would be one of those exercises that after the first time you try them out, you will be DYING the next day :D

Red Dawn called me a nancy :( :brokenheart:
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Yah whatever the term is called is what I meant :p

And no I haven't done a SOTS press. Seems like it would be one of those exercises that after the first time you try them out, you will be DYING the next day :D

Red Dawn called me a nancy :( :brokenheart:

Sots press is bad ass. Have a go sometime.

Koing
 

RapidSnail

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Bench Press: 155 lbs. x 2

Benched slightly more than my body weight today, but I'll probably weigh 5 lbs. more in a few weeks :p.

And Koing, the reason I don't do the BB MP is because I when I used to do it, I didn't really like leaning my upper body and head back because I felt like I was going to tip over :p. But I think I might give it a try again. I also hear that it is one of the only exercises that's not that bad done on a Smith along with the incline BP, is this true?
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: JS80
i don't see a 165lbs man benching 319

Genetics play the biggest part. If you are naturally small framed and lankier, you just aren't going to be putting up that kind of weight.

Most of the guys that are weighing in at 165 and putting up that kind of iron are in the 5'6" and under height range.

Actually most here are lying.

I'm not :(.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Bench Press: 155 lbs. x 2

Benched slightly more than my body weight today, but I'll probably weigh 5 lbs. more in a few weeks :p.

And Koing, the reason I don't do the BB MP is because I when I used to do it, I didn't really like leaning my upper body and head back because I felt like I was going to tip over :p. But I think I might give it a try again. I also hear that it is one of the only exercises that's not that bad done on a Smith along with the incline BP, is this true?

Your not suppose to lean back that far! Just stand upright, head a bit back, tuck chin in and press the barbell up and back as soon as it goes over your head. If you press it forwards and you lean backwards that means you have stiff shoulders = bad!

Do you do DYNAMIC stretches before you train? If not this is why you may be so tight.

No point doing anything on the Smith machine. Same with incline BP. You might as well do it without. Well if you don't have a spot you can use it for the incline BP but you might as well use less weight in that case imo.

Smith machine requires no controlling motion. It only moves up and down. Not a great machine. You can do the exercises without it. I strongly recommend against using it!

Koing
 

alkemyst

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int to adv prior to my injury in sept only back into training for 5 months...these weren't 1 rep maxes though 4 reps is about as low as I go to keep injuries at bay.

I tried to catch a 2.5 gallon water jug that fell out of my trunk, caught it on the tips of my fingers...didn't think much of it, but my right arm quickly became in constant pain on any palm down lift...even if only 5-6 lbs. I just got on a steroid (methylpred) and physical therapy to hopefully get back into it...I tried to self treat (ice, heat, anti-inflamatory, total rest) for 6 months (and 30lbs of fat) now.

In my best shape, I was in all advanced lifts (again 4 reps usually was the lowest I would go...however, the jump to elite I'd say it a big one...I don't think I could make it there except possibly bicep curls in which I am genetically strong in, I was curling 80lbs for 10+ reps when I was 14) except deadlifts (never tested) as I never done them until recently...I thought squats were bad...deadlifts suck any ounce of oxygen you can possibly have out of you if you are doing them right that is. I see a lot of big guys doing good weight, but they blast off 10 DL's like it was nothing and think it's an accomplishment. I like to continue to get stronger. I don't like lifting to just maintain.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I'm calling BS on many of the posters on here. No way that on a computer forum that many people bench over 300 with under 200 body weight. Sorry, lets start seeing pics with your posts. (Not you koing or amused, or the other regular lifters here, the other dudes that randomly post in these threads to make their fake e-penis ++++)


As for me, elite in everything (as they should be). :)

Then be the first to post a picture, hotshot.

I will say some will probably lie about their maxes, but many don't max properly anyway.

Also these kinds of threads usually only have those that are interested posting. With a group as large as ATOT you will have a lot of lifters that could probably do straight advanced lifts in the areas they have trained (I see a lot of dudes that just to upper body mostly, but some do only lower body).

Trygre or whatever his handle is was an actor..many didn't believe him. Azurik is a self-made man bringing in serious cash and he has doubters.

Fact is while a lot of people create false personas, many are just stating the facts and posting.
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Bench Press: 155 lbs. x 2

Benched slightly more than my body weight today, but I'll probably weigh 5 lbs. more in a few weeks :p.

And Koing, the reason I don't do the BB MP is because I when I used to do it, I didn't really like leaning my upper body and head back because I felt like I was going to tip over :p. But I think I might give it a try again. I also hear that it is one of the only exercises that's not that bad done on a Smith along with the incline BP, is this true?

Your not suppose to lean back that far! Just stand upright, head a bit back, tuck chin in and press the barbell up and back as soon as it goes over your head. If you press it forwards and you lean backwards that means you have stiff shoulders = bad!

Do you do DYNAMIC stretches before you train? If not this is why you may be so tight.

No point doing anything on the Smith machine. Same with incline BP. You might as well do it without. Well if you don't have a spot you can use it for the incline BP but you might as well use less weight in that case imo.

Smith machine requires no controlling motion. It only moves up and down. Not a great machine. You can do the exercises without it. I strongly recommend against using it!

Koing

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't leaning back that much at all, I just didn't like doing anything remotely risky when I first started lifting no matter how slight, for instance, I wouldn't barbell squat for a while. But I haven't MP'ed for many months and am much stronger than before, so I want to give it a try again. Sorry to give the wrong impression: exaggeration on my part.

I'm also flexible, and stretch very often. I stretch mostly every day for about 30 minutes or more with my lower body (I run). I'll also do shoulder rotation stretches on certain gym days when I feel I need it to loosen my rotator cuff and shoulder muscles.

I hate Smith machines personally because the force you into a specific ROM without working as many synergists and stabilizers. I did hear, however, that the Smith was recommended for the incline BP because in certain cases because it places much less pressure on the shoulders for those with injuries, or something like that.
 

MainFramed

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Elite and for Squat and Barbell Curl off the chart baby

i guess thats what i get for training 7-10 hours a day 6 days a week.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't leaning back that much at all, I just didn't like doing anything remotely risky when I first started lifting no matter how slight, for instance, I wouldn't barbell squat for a while. But I haven't MP'ed for many months and am much stronger than before, so I want to give it a try again. Sorry to give the wrong impression: exaggeration on my part.

I'm also flexible, and stretch very often. I stretch mostly every day for about 30 minutes or more with my lower body (I run). I'll also do shoulder rotation stretches on certain gym days when I feel I need it to loosen my rotator cuff and shoulder muscles.

I hate Smith machines personally because the force you into a specific ROM without working as many synergists and stabilizers. I did hear, however, that the Smith was recommended for the incline BP because in certain cases because it places much less pressure on the shoulders for those with injuries, or something like that.

Aight.

Whilst training you can get injured. Drop a DB on your foot and it is basically crushed...you go to be careful!

With the Smith machine just lift lighter and build up the weights. It is no different then using less weight. They have very small DB's also. If your injured that is one thing but you can always use a very very light DB and do things with that.

Koing
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't leaning back that much at all, I just didn't like doing anything remotely risky when I first started lifting no matter how slight, for instance, I wouldn't barbell squat for a while. But I haven't MP'ed for many months and am much stronger than before, so I want to give it a try again. Sorry to give the wrong impression: exaggeration on my part.

I'm also flexible, and stretch very often. I stretch mostly every day for about 30 minutes or more with my lower body (I run). I'll also do shoulder rotation stretches on certain gym days when I feel I need it to loosen my rotator cuff and shoulder muscles.

I hate Smith machines personally because the force you into a specific ROM without working as many synergists and stabilizers. I did hear, however, that the Smith was recommended for the incline BP because in certain cases because it places much less pressure on the shoulders for those with injuries, or something like that.

Aight.

Whilst training you can get injured. Drop a DB on your foot and it is basically crushed...you go to be careful!

With the Smith machine just lift lighter and build up the weights. It is no different then using less weight. They have very small DB's also. If your injured that is one thing but you can always use a very very light DB and do things with that.

Koing

One kid a while back dropped a DB on his thumb and had to have medics come in. At my gym we have rubber DB's with rubber matting so you have to be careful how you drop them.

I have a feeling you think I'm injured ;). I'm not, I was just wondering if the Smith is useful for anything.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
One kid a while back dropped a DB on his thumb and had to have medics come in. At my gym we have rubber DB's with rubber matting so you have to be careful how you drop them.

I have a feeling you think I'm injured ;). I'm not, I was just wondering if the Smith is useful for anything.

I know your not injured ;)

You can get more progress done without the Smith machine.

Koing
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Squat: 165 lbs. x 3

Upped my FS by ten pounds.

:thumbsup:

A front squat is MUCH harder then a back squat. Watch people's depth on the front squat, it will be very poor and if they break parallel on the front squat that would be a feat in itself!

People can cheat a back squat but you can't cheat a front squat by much if you go all the way down!

Koing
 

RapidSnail

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Deadlift: 235 lbs. x 3

Tried the over-under grip which worked wonders!


Koing, FS stands for "full squat," not "front squat." I'm not that strong. ;)