Seasonic s12 real cheap at eWiz!

[ScrapSilicon]

shipped 7-25 rescheduled delivery date 8-1

 

[Averox]

7-blade fan on mine that came today at $124 price.

Yeah the ATX power cable is a lot shorter than expected. Still fits in my case but after using Antecs so long I've gotten used to a really long ATX cable.

 

[Lockout]

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT

Originally posted by: clarkkent333
Anyone else get a cancellation notice today?

no but i got a shippment notice

Me too. Ordered mine on 7/22 for $106 shipped, and it's scheduled for delivery on the 29th.

 

[amheck]

For anyone looking for an alternative to ewiz, I ordered an S12-500 from buy.com a few weeks ago. The price is $120, free shipping, plus if you sign up for the buy.com credit card, you get $30 off, so I got mine for $89.99 shipped.

Yes, of course you have to sign up for a new credit card, but I haven't done so in many years, and I have really good credit, so I didn't mind too much. Obviously, you're feeling may differ.

 

[DanDaMan315]

I'm not too happy with eWiz right now myself. It's been 15 days since I ordered my 3000 venice from their site and I have yet to receive it :| :thumbsdown:

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I live like 10 min away from EWiz and the package isn't in UPS' hands yet... GRRRRRRrr

Edit: There was never an "Out for Delivery" nor a pickup on the tracker. Instead the billing info was received on 7/25 10PM and it had a destination scan at 9 PM (wtf??), and then apparently UPS just stopped by my house at 5:54 PM. I will be leaving work now to check out my new 600W PSU.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

 

[DanDaMan315]

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

The S12 has not been known for its solid rails, just to let you know.

 

[OCedHrt]

Was choosing between this an the Antec SmartPower 2.0 500W at outpost for 69.99. Eventually I went with the cheaper one for the modular and sleeved cables. Hopefully it will hold up well enough.

Originally posted by: amheck
For anyone looking for an alternative to ewiz, I ordered an S12-500 from buy.com a few weeks ago. The price is $120, free shipping, plus if you sign up for the buy.com credit card, you get $30 off, so I got mine for $89.99 shipped.

Yes, of course you have to sign up for a new credit card, but I haven't done so in many years, and I have really good credit, so I didn't mind too much. Obviously, you're feeling may differ.

There's some buy.com coupons that will make it 109 + ca tax.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

:Q

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

The S12 has not been known for its solid rails, just to let you know.

I guess I got a good one? voltages are 3.33v/5.01v/12.04v
and do not change at all according to mbm and everest. My neopower 480w varied a little though.

 

[clarkkent333]

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

The S12 has not been known for its solid rails, just to let you know.

I'd like some of what your smokin. The S12 has some of the most stable rails I've seen, especially for a PSU with 80% efficiency. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

 

[bradley]

Current Seasonic powersupplies have rock stable rails, especially the Super Silencer, Super Tornado, and S12 series. But don't expect to test your powersupply for accuracy with anything less than a quality voltmeter.

 

[DanDaMan315]

Originally posted by: clarkkent333

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

The S12 has not been known for its solid rails, just to let you know.

I'd like some of what your smokin. The S12 has some of the most stable rails I've seen, especially for a PSU with 80% efficiency. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Well I'll look for some back up, but it has been said by many that if you want solid OC rails you should look to the Powerstream.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
:Q

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

The S12 has not been known for its solid rails, just to let you know.

I guess I got a good one? voltages are 3.33v/5.01v/12.04v
and do not change at all according to mbm and everest. My neopower 480w varied a little though.

MBM gave me horrible numbers but I will try with a voltmeter soon. I got 3.40/5.23/11.65..... But yea, it's MBM so I'm not worried. I know my system ran fine on a 300W PSU.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315

Originally posted by: clarkkent333

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
I just recieved my 600w psu. All of the rails are solid, no variance at all.

The S12 has not been known for its solid rails, just to let you know.

I'd like some of what your smokin. The S12 has some of the most stable rails I've seen, especially for a PSU with 80% efficiency. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Well I'll look for some back up, but it has been said by many that if you want solid OC rails you should look to the Powerstream.

Powerstream isn't like the most stable either. It just has adjustable rails which makes it nice. Antec is by far the #1 in voltage regulation. S12 comes close, but nowhere near Antec. OCZ Modstream is decent but behind the other 2.

 

[furballi]

The new Enermax Noisetaker V2.0 is very efficient and stable. I've tested the 495 V2.0 against the S12/500. The Enermax is more stable and a lot cheaper.

 

[bradley]

Originally posted by: furballi
The new Enermax Noisetaker V2.0 is very efficient and stable. I've tested the 495 V2.0 against the S12/500. The Enermax is more stable and a lot cheaper.

Have you tested with a voltmeter? Because the readings you get from a motherboard are merely guidelines, and are not meant to be accurate. Although, I certainly believe that currently Enermax and Seasonic make the world's best powersupplies.

Btw, comparing my S12 to my friend's Noisetaker, I'd say with the Seasonic you're paying more for the slightly better build quality, and their reputation. Not to mention, the Seasonic is quieter, and has a greater power efficiency. Again, both are excellent supplies, if not targeted at two distinctly separate market segments.

Based on eWiz's prices:
330W Seasonic S12-330 22A $55
380W Seasonic S12-380 25A $70
430W Seasonic S12-430 29A $95
500W Seasonic S12-500 33A $124
600W Seasonic S12-600 36A $130

485W Enermax EG495AX-VE 32A $95
600W Enermax EG701AX-VE 35A $149 (Dual PCI-E ready version)

 

[furballi]

Tested with a calibrated Fluke true RMS multimeter. The Enermax sample is has a deviation of less than 0.1V at the 12V rail. The Seasonic is a tad bit higher than 0.2V.

Even if the average person was to use the reported voltage in windows, the actual DELTA would be the same, since we are only dealing with line voltage fluctuation, and not ABSOLUTE value.

As for power efficiency, the Seasonic has a 2 to 3% edge in efficiency at the very low end of the output (less than 100 watts). They are about the same between 150 and 250 watts. I do not have the capability to test at higher output due the components inside my PC. I connected the Fluke in series to the AC line to measure the actual AC current. Another calibrated meter was used to measure line voltage.

The efficiency is between 76% and 79% for both PSUs up to the test limit of 250 watts.

The Enermax has much better airflow at low speed due to the dual push/pull fan configuration. All I hear is a small whisper of airflow at the 80 mm fan at low to medium load. Both PSUs were quiet at low to moderate load. The BK SPL meter indicated a 1 to 1.5 dB advantage with the Seasonic PSU. Such an improvement would be inaudible in any PC case.

The Enermax has a huge lead in cabling. The main power wire in the Seasonic is NOT covered by a wire loom. Plus the Seasonic cables are not very long.

No one has come up with any proof that Seasonics are more reliable than Enermaxes. Finally, for the price comparison, the basic EMX-EG495P-VE SFMA cost under $75. That's almost 50% off the price of the S12-500. There is no advantage in spending the extra $ on the Enermax AX with auto line voltage selection.

I see NO justification for the price premium placed on Seasonics PSUs. If you require a dual fan PSU, then go with the Enermax. If you favor a single 120mm case fan, then buy a Fortron. If you believe in the Seasonic hype, then buy a Seasonic. True, Seasonic PSUs have a TINY advantage in efficiency and noise output, but the noise is not going to matter in real-world application. Does a 3% edge in low power efficiency warrant the 65% price premium? Not for me!!! And don't forget the short, uncovered Seasonic power cable.

http://www.3gplaza.com/estore/control/C...r3G/productdetails?id=34336&srccode=PW

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: furballi
Tested with a calibrated Fluke true RMS multimeter. The Enermax sample is has a deviation of less than 0.1V at the 12V rail. The Seasonic is a tad bit higher than 0.2V.

Even if the average person was to use the reported voltage in windows, the actual DELTA would be the same, since we are only dealing with line voltage fluctuation, and not ABSOLUTE value.

As for power efficiency, the Seasonic has a 2 to 3% edge in efficiency at the very low end of the output (less than 100 watts). They are about the same between 150 and 250 watts. I do not have the capability to test at higher output due the components inside my PC. I connected the Fluke in series to the AC line to measure the actual AC current. Another calibrated meter was used to measure line voltage.

The efficiency is between 76% and 79% for both PSUs up to the test limit of 250 watts.

The Enermax has much better airflow at low speed due to the dual push/pull fan configuration. All I hear is a small whisper of airflow at the 80 mm fan at low to medium load. Both PSUs were quiet at low to moderate load. The BK SPL meter indicated a 1 to 1.5 dB advantage with the Seasonic PSU. Such an improvement would be inaudible in any PC case.

The Enermax has a huge lead in cabling. The main power wire in the Seasonic is NOT covered by a wire loom. Plus the Seasonic cables are not very long.

No one has come up with any proof that Seasonics are more reliable than Enermaxes. Finally, for the price comparison, the basic EMX-EG495P-VE SFMA cost under $75. That's almost 50% off the price of the S12-500. There is no advantage in spending the extra $ on the Enermax AX with auto line voltage selection.

I see NO justification for the price premium placed on Seasonics PSUs. If you require a dual fan PSU, then go with the Enermax. If you favor a single 120mm case fan, then buy a Fortron. If you believe in the Seasonic hype, then buy a Seasonic. True, Seasonic PSUs have a TINY advantage in efficiency and noise output, but the noise is not going to matter in real-world application. Does a 3% edge in low power efficiency warrant the 65% price premium? Not for me!!! And don't forget the short, uncovered Seasonic power cable.

http://www.3gplaza.com/estore/control/C...r3G/productdetails?id=34336&srccode=PW

Nice review You think that price/performance is bad? Check out some of the Rosewills..they rock fat 36A 12V rails for $55. Or 26 A for $40... 24pined, 4 pinned 8 pined the whole shabang cheap.

 

[orionb]

I hope you don't actually think you're getting a 36A 12v rail from a rosewill psu. You can't directly compare power ratings, because everyone rates their supplies differently. Here's a good thread for some basic power supply info: XS Power Supply Sticky
That said, the rosewill may still give you better bang for your buck, but you can't compare it to a high end seasonic / fortron / antec / enermax / etc.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: orionb
I hope you don't actually think you're getting a 36A 12v rail from a rosewill psu. You can't directly compare power ratings, because everyone rates their supplies differently. Here's a good thread for some basic power supply info: XS Power Supply Sticky
That said, the rosewill may still give you better bang for your buck, but you can't compare it to a high end seasonic / fortron / antec / enermax / etc.

I see a lot of wild speculation there and succuming to marketing campaigns.

Can't compare it to enermax? rosewill 550 looks identical to my enermax 651 inside. Plus you think they would risk getting sued by giving false information (aka fraud), and the governing/sanctioning bodies risking suit too?

 

[Zebo]

orion. Half the users there get stuff free from the companies so they are obligated to pimp it. (believe me I've been offered a lot free stuff to pimp and refuse) These so-called high-end companies also pay reps to canvase forums around the net. They also pay to feature ads at all the review sites and all the tech magazines. All these costs are incured by you and is money that can't go into PSU production, the only thing that actually matters.

Rosewill OTOH, is neweggs brand, no ads, no BS, and like all thier products are good. They go to highend manufactures and say build me a grey box product and pass savings on to you.

*Seasonic, fortron/sparkle and Zippy are exceptions as they are actually manufacturing companies not marketing companies like 90% are.

 

[bzo]

furballi, your efficiency testing results are not in line with other credible tests. First I'll point out silentpcreview where efficiency dips to 77% at 65watts, and is at 83%-87% from 90w-600w. Second, this power supply is 80 PLus certified, which requires >80% efficiency at 25% load and higher. Their testing methodology seems to me more rigorous than yours.

It would be nice if the cables were a little longer, but they presented no problem for me in my setup. Sure the wire loom is a plus, it's really a minor nit. It costs pennies for the manufacturer, and if it's important to you, you can spend a buck or two and put it on. The Seasonic comes with the Dr Cable kit, which is I guess where they put the few cents budget of cable management into.

I think the "auto line voltage selection" aka Active PFC is more signficant than you imply in your mention. In a nutshell it more efficienly pulls power from the wall. Here is seasonic's explanation of it: here. Although for residential customers in the US, it doesn not reduce utility bills as they say. Aside from the environmental benefits, if you care, the other benefit that if you use a UPS, it doesn't have to work as hard and you can use a smaller UPS or get longer runtime.

Anyways, I can't dispute that the Seasonic may not be the best value for everyone - perhaps that Rosewill would fit that bill. The seasonic though, is likely the most efficient and quiet supply you can buy, but that is not necessarily important to everyone. And like most things, the incrmental improvement to be the best at something costs a significant premium. However, unlike some of the "premium" supplies from other companies, you do get something for your money with Seasonic.

 

[clarkkent333]

Originally posted by: bzo
furballi, your efficiency testing results are not in line with other credible tests. First I'll point out silentpcreview where efficiency dips to 77% at 65watts, and is at 83%-87% from 90w-600w. Second, this power supply is 80 PLus certified, which requires >80% efficiency at 25% load and higher. Their testing methodology seems to me more rigorous than yours.

It would be nice if the cables were a little longer, but they presented no problem for me in my setup. Sure the wire loom is a plus, it's really a minor nit. It costs pennies for the manufacturer, and if it's important to you, you can spend a buck or two and put it on. The Seasonic comes with the Dr Cable kit, which is I guess where they put the few cents budget of cable management into.

I think the "auto line voltage selection" aka Active PFC is more signficant than you imply in your mention. In a nutshell it more efficienly pulls power from the wall. Here is seasonic's explanation of it: here. Although for residential customers in the US, it doesn not reduce utility bills as they say. Aside from the environmental benefits, if you care, the other benefit that if you use a UPS, it doesn't have to work as hard and you can use a smaller UPS or get longer runtime.

Anyways, I can't dispute that the Seasonic may not be the best value for everyone - perhaps that Rosewill would fit that bill. The seasonic though, is likely the most efficient and quiet supply you can buy, but that is not necessarily important to everyone. And like most things, the incrmental improvement to be the best at something costs a significant premium. However, unlike some of the "premium" supplies from other companies, you do get something for your money with Seasonic.

Well said. Plus you can't put a premium on the Seasonic sound quality. Even at 600w its almost inaudible while my Enermax was definately audible. Not to mention the warranties: Seasonic - 3 years
Enermax - 1 year

 

[Algere]

Originally posted by: clarkkent333

Originally posted by: bzo
furballi, your efficiency testing results are not in line with other credible tests. First I'll point out silentpcreview where efficiency dips to 77% at 65watts, and is at 83%-87% from 90w-600w. Second, this power supply is 80 PLus certified, which requires >80% efficiency at 25% load and higher. Their testing methodology seems to me more rigorous than yours.

It would be nice if the cables were a little longer, but they presented no problem for me in my setup. Sure the wire loom is a plus, it's really a minor nit. It costs pennies for the manufacturer, and if it's important to you, you can spend a buck or two and put it on. The Seasonic comes with the Dr Cable kit, which is I guess where they put the few cents budget of cable management into.

I think the "auto line voltage selection" aka Active PFC is more signficant than you imply in your mention. In a nutshell it more efficienly pulls power from the wall. Here is seasonic's explanation of it: here. Although for residential customers in the US, it doesn not reduce utility bills as they say. Aside from the environmental benefits, if you care, the other benefit that if you use a UPS, it doesn't have to work as hard and you can use a smaller UPS or get longer runtime.

Anyways, I can't dispute that the Seasonic may not be the best value for everyone - perhaps that Rosewill would fit that bill. The seasonic though, is likely the most efficient and quiet supply you can buy, but that is not necessarily important to everyone. And like most things, the incrmental improvement to be the best at something costs a significant premium. However, unlike some of the "premium" supplies from other companies, you do get something for your money with Seasonic.

Well said. Plus you can't put a premium on the Seasonic sound quality. Even at 600w its almost inaudible while my Enermax was definately audible. Not to mention the warranties: Seasonic - 3 years
Enermax - 1 year

You actually tested & measured a PSU @ 600W DC? How exactly were you able to fully load a PSU at 600W when the most power hungry of desktop systems today don't even come close to doing that & what Enermax PSU comes with a 1 year warranty? "3 Years Warranty" is clearly stated on the side of my Enermax PSU's retail packaging.