Originally posted by: CP5670
These M12 Seasonics seem a bit too expensive to me for what they are though. I mean, they're getting beaten by PCP&C on pricing.
PCP&C's day in the sun is just about over
PCP&C's day in the sun is just about over
JEDIYoda
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You don`t ban people because you cannot prove them wrong....
There is alot of fanboi-ism going on and it will always be that way when talking about PSU`s.
Nobody wants to budge and alot of times backing somebody blindly doesn`t help matters.
The bottom line truthfully is...
It makes no difference rebadged or not.....
There are PSU`s that stand on there track record!!
There are a few brands that have excellent track records yet facts get clouded or over looked because of people being over zealous.......
You say something rebadged I say it doesn`t matter.......
You say 100% of the work on a PSU is done at the factory where it is iether contracted for or produced.....I say thats NOT entirely true......
It keeps going back and forth until somebody gets a bright idea....
he doesn`t agree with us lets ban him.......
In some cases that would sound like you are trying to deprive me of my first amendment rights.
YES-- even in these forums they still exist up to a point.....
I do know where that point is....
But banning people due to an opinion that cannot be proven right or wrong is just plain not right!!
As was stated in a different post-- some will say this is the way it is....while others will say prove it....
well truth betold even if we are right....we cannot prove you wrong.....so it goes...round and round....
Can't prove you wrong? I rarely stoop to AIM language, but LOL seems to fit the bill quite nicely. Just look at some of the other threads I have had arguments with you in. I prove 9/10 of your so called 'facts' wrong but you keep coming back with made up crap. I just don't have the time or will do deal with it anymore. I have a hard time believing that you wouldn't realize that this is what has happened with more then one person on these forums (Galvanized, Jonny, Howard, myself, etc).
Sorry about that
probably because I don't remember how to spell your username, but that comes with time.
JEDIYoda
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of course you don`t have time....
its hard to use just words to prove somebody wrong.
use facts and links and pictures.
Its obvious that people besides jonny and Howard want there to be one opinion that fits all situations.
You say you have proved me wrong time after time.
yet you offer no proof other than your own words to substantiate your claims.
I have no problems with somebody proving me wrong but to voice and opinion that you claim to be factual? Well anybody can do that.
To voice an opinion along with screen shots and other things to back up supposed facts - now that makes for a very credible and hard to refute argument!
I was not the one who started this whole OEM quagmire along with the various opinions good or bad concrning PSU`s.
But I will be damned if you think by sheer force of numbers I am going to roll over and NOT express my opinion.
Then you have the audacity to call for a ban......based on nothing more than the fact you disagree with what I have to say???
Or based nothing more on the possible fact that one of your supposed hero`s on these foruns was caught red handed lying and fabricating untruths on these forums??
Whats very ironic is nobody can tell me didly how or why the PSU I choose to use is bad.....no logical arguments that hold water.
So I guess what this saying really does hold true--
As was stated in a different post-- some will say this is the way it is....while others will say prove it....
well truth betold even if we are right....we cannot prove you wrong.....so it goes...round and round....
By the way telos one of your Hero`s from these forums said something like that.
Since I don`t remember the exact quote-- I did not give credit just in case I might offend this person who I respect as much as I respect the GURU man!!
btw acegazda-- fixed!!
I just had my Airdale fixed!!
I have even went one further to say there are many good PSU`s on the market.....
I think the Seasonic is relatively inexpensive. Take a look at the other psus in the same price range and the S-12 rules.. I think the M-12 is going to be a winner too, but.. I don't really need modular as I use most of the cables and can put the ones i don't use at the top fo my case next to the psu..
With the larger output, I would prefer to see Seasonic go to the M-12 design for the next S-12, except increase the size another inch or so depth wise and use a 80MM fan to choke off the vibration and add to the cooling on the S-12 750?? for my AMD Greyhound or whatever the Quad Core CPU that will be coming out from AMD will be called with those energy guzzling next generation chips from Ati or nVidia.
With the larger output, I would prefer to see Seasonic go to the M-12 design for the next S-12, except increase the size another inch or so depth wise and use a 80MM fan to choke off the vibration and add to the cooling on the S-12 750?? for my AMD Greyhound or whatever the Quad Core CPU that will be coming out from AMD will be called with those energy guzzling next generation chips from Ati or nVidia.
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Build quality is about the same as the Corsair. Same grade of components. Doesn't seem to be four 12V rails though. Two at the most. Probably no OCP, either. Haven't had a chance to put it on the tester though. Probably quieter than the Corsair because the two fans don't spin as fast as one. Surprisingly, the two fans aren't on two different fan controllers. It's actually one connector split into two. Strange.
Isn't one of the two fans intake to the PSU and the other exhaust from it? The two intake fans of the two PSUs should be spinning at the same speed as long as the air flow is the same and the two intake fans are the same size.
If the air flow is less, they won't be spinning as fast. But then, the reason for being quieter would be tolerance to less air flow, not to having two fans.
The exhaust fan is smaller than the intake fan. Then, the exhaust fan will actually be spinning faster.
Isn't that right? I know that Seasonic could be quieter. But, I am wondering if it is simply because there are two fans.
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They're both intake.
But that's not what my observation was pointing out...
Isn't it strange that you would feed two different fans the same voltage when they are both different sizes and move differernt CFM.
Also, the 60MM fan doesn't even spin until the PSU gets hot. So I'm thinking the 60MM fan is thermostatically controlled and the 120MM isn't. The "starting voltage" of the 60MM may be > 7V. When the PSU is cold, the fan controller may be putting out only 7V so the 60MM doesn't spin.
Just a guess.
But that's not what my observation was pointing out...
Isn't it strange that you would feed two different fans the same voltage when they are both different sizes and move differernt CFM.
Also, the 60MM fan doesn't even spin until the PSU gets hot. So I'm thinking the 60MM fan is thermostatically controlled and the 120MM isn't. The "starting voltage" of the 60MM may be > 7V. When the PSU is cold, the fan controller may be putting out only 7V so the 60MM doesn't spin.
Just a guess.
That's were I was mistaken! I missed that those were both intake fans. Please disregard my previous post. Thanks!
They are getting pricey. Once you start looking at the 650w+ range the prices do go up quite a bit. And the upcoming DirectX10 cards are rumored to be some serious power guzzlers too. I guess thats why we're seeing more 1Kw psu units hitting the market. The psu industry sees it coming and is positioning themselves to be ready for it I guess. Cant wait to see your official test results, Jonny, and thanks for keeping us updated.
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That is correct - I just got my M12 700, and there is a small sticker under the 60mm fan that reads: "Temperature activated fan - rotates only when required."
Looking forward to installing it tomorrow, now that I have all the module cables figured out.
So, the small intake fan does not spin if the PSU has not heated up too much. I have a question about that design concept!
In that case, some of the intake air, through the 120mm fan, will exhaust through the back opening but some of it will come back into the case through the small intake fan opening, which is not spinning now.
Wouldn't that raise the case air temperature?
In that case, some of the intake air, through the 120mm fan, will exhaust through the back opening but some of it will come back into the case through the small intake fan opening, which is not spinning now.
Wouldn't that raise the case air temperature?
Show me a PSU with only a 120mm fan (intake) that has a 60mm hole inside the case and I will shut up.
Take a look a S12 sometime (I have one 5 ft. away), the volume of ventilation is at least or greater then the 60x60 fan on the M12.
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