SCOTUS hearing on Roe V Wade

[Storm-Chaser]

Totally flashed to this scene out of "So I Married An Axe Murderer" reading the post.

I was thinking more of Misery. That was another good one.

Thats what we are all in for. At least some of us.

 

[dank69]

You've posted this before and it's a fallacy. The women experiencing spontaneous abortion aren't 'choosing' to have an abortion. It's just a consequence of aging. Most miscarriages in young women are due to genetic defects or failure of the women's body to adequately ramp up the necessary hormones. All of this is just a consequence of our biology. There is no extant relationship to abortion pills at all.

If miscarriages are not a problem, why are abortions a problem? Do miscarried souls meet a different fate than those that are aborted? I would think they would be treated equally, either all going to heaven or all queueing back up to try to be born, depending on the flavor of your personal philosophy.

 

[Ajay]

If miscarriages are not a problem, why are abortions a problem? Do miscarried souls meet a different fate than those that are aborted? I would think they would be treated equally, either all going to heaven or all queueing back up to try to be born, depending on the flavor of your personal philosophy.

It's not like miscarriages aren't a problem - they are not 'good', they are lamentable, but, an unfortunate aspect of human biology. A choice to abort is not they same as being open to life (pregnancy) and miscarrying. After all, men and women who do not use contraception are opening themselves up to creating life - that's a pretty basic biological concept - that's how intercourse works. As to what happens to aborted fetuses or blastocysts (visa vi salvation), it remains a largely unanswerable question. We retain within the Church the concept of mystery, there are somethings that God has not revealed to us - things He deems we need not know.

 

[mect]

Well, maybe you should have some introspective time this morning. You can look back at this as a learning experience.

Unfortunately, I'm constantly having to reflect on how stupid some people are. It really is mind blowing.

I mean, you are on a tech forum, which I would assume means that you are somewhat into tech. And yet, you believe that the technology exists to include a processor, memory, gps plus some form of wireless communication and a battery to power it presumably for multiple years, all in biocompatible packaging totaling a device small enough to fit through the tip of a vaccine needle, all while basically every citizen is packing around a device in their pockets which we know the government has used in the past for mass surveillance.

 

[MrSquished]

he's trolling. a hardcore christian would have typed "Revelation" not "revelation".

DONT FEED THE TROLL!

First poster I blocked. Unfortunately I have spoken to enough people that really think this way. They are an ill and evil cancer on the world.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

If miscarriages are not a problem, why are abortions a problem? Do miscarried souls meet a different fate than those that are aborted? I would think they would be treated equally, either all going to heaven or all queueing back up to try to be born, depending on the flavor of your personal philosophy.

Not a different fate. All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. But there is a distinction. In the vast majority of cases, miscarriage is due to natural, pre existing factors. Abortion is an intentional act. So the reason behind why the death happened in the first place is very important. One is murder. The other is out of our control. Which is why a medical examiner must always determine manner of death. That's why there are varying degrees of punishment depending on motive. In the case of abortion, it's murder in the first degree. Plain and simple.

 

[JD50]

Lol so abortion is a fast pass to heaven, sounds like the most moral thing to do is abort every fetus.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, maybe you should have some introspective time this morning. You can look back at this as a learning experience.

Yeah, you really presented way more evidence than I did. Wow you really blew me out of the water with this response.

I think I will smugly curl up in a little ball next to my dog who has a microchip all of his own and just weep because I'm getting beat up so badly here. rofl

I give exactly zero fucks about the opinion of someone who believes the cockamamie bullshit you adore, I just wish you people would quit ruining the country and planet because of your ridiculous belief structure.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol

I’ve seen it all now! This poster is telling us how Heaven works like it’s been scientifically proven and analyzed.
These people don’t belong anywhere near the ballot box let alone society itself.

How great it must be to live life and being able to answer life’s greatest mysteries by making up whatever you want by invoking another made up character.

History will judge this arc of human life as its religious Phase. A sort of dark ages for the mind with glimpses of intelligence sprinkled throughout to keep civilization from killing itself (aka science).

 

[dank69]

Not a different fate. All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. But there is a distinction. In the vast majority of cases, miscarriage is due to natural, pre existing factors. Abortion is an intentional act. So the reason behind why the death happened in the first place is very important. One is murder. The other is out of our control. Which is why a medical examiner must always determine manner of death. That's why there are varying degrees of punishment depending on motive. In the case of abortion, it's murder in the first degree. Plain and simple.

It's not like miscarriages aren't a problem - they are not 'good', they are lamentable, but, an unfortunate aspect of human biology. A choice to abort is not they same as being open to life (pregnancy) and miscarrying. After all, men and women who do not use contraception are opening themselves up to creating life - that's a pretty basic biological concept - that's how intercourse works. As to what happens to aborted fetuses or blastocysts (visa vi salvation), it remains a largely unanswerable question. We retain within the Church the concept of mystery, there are somethings that God has not revealed to us - things He deems we need not know.

So you've both just conceded that stopping abortion is not about protecting innocent children. It is purely about punishing "murderers"?

 

[ivwshane]

Ajay, I’m pretty sure storm-chaser is mocking you at this point.

 

[Ajay]

So you've both just conceded that stopping abortion is not about protecting innocent children. It is purely about punishing "murderers"?

So, did you not read, or not understand what I wrote? Legal outcomes very often depend on intent. There is a reason for that. This conversation is so effed up .

 

[fskimospy]

Not a different fate. All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. But there is a distinction. In the vast majority of cases, miscarriage is due to natural, pre existing factors. Abortion is an intentional act. So the reason behind why the death happened in the first place is very important. One is murder. The other is out of our control. Which is why a medical examiner must always determine manner of death. That's why there are varying degrees of punishment depending on motive. In the case of abortion, it's murder in the first degree. Plain and simple.

So what should the punishment be for someone who undertakes an activity that has an 80% chance of killing a child?

 

[Ajay]

Ajay, I’m pretty sure storm-chaser is mocking you at this point.

I think he is mocking everyone. Pretty much just another day in ATP&N - meh.

 

[mect]

So, did you not read, or not understand what I wrote? Legal outcomes very often depend on intent. There is a reason for that. This conversation is so effed up .

Not involuntary manslaughter.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Not a different fate. All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. But there is a distinction. In the vast majority of cases, miscarriage is due to natural, pre existing factors. Abortion is an intentional act. So the reason behind why the death happened in the first place is very important. One is murder. The other is out of our control. Which is why a medical examiner must always determine manner of death. That's why there are varying degrees of punishment depending on motive. In the case of abortion, it's murder in the first degree. Plain and simple.

You do know that the bible specifically says life starts at birth when the baby takes it's first breath in Genesis 2:7 Or are you going to contradict the bible as you do the history books?

Since life does not start till birth, how is it murder? Since life doesn't start till birth, what exactly goes to heaven when a woman miscarriages, or aborts the baby? I know.. women have nine lives.. so one of those lives go to heaven... Oh wait.. that's cats.. sorry.. .

Seriously though, There are "beliefs" that God gives a baby a soul before they are born.. but that makes no sense.. Why would god give a baby a soul before he gives the baby life with it's first breath at birth? The only plausible explanation is that god gives the baby it's soul at the same time he gives the baby it's first breath.

 

[cytg111]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

 

[mect]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

It's the sequel for "All Dogs go to Heaven".

 

[MrSquished]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

Casually religious people are generally harmless, you know go to church to be around people, have some friends, and community, whatever - but the religious people that believe this stuff and then try to legislate all of our lives based upon their beliefs are a problem for the evolvement of humanity. A FUCKING BIG PROBLEM. And I certainly don't just mean Christians.

 

[ivwshane]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

Can you refute it?? No?!! Then it must be true!!!

I really thought we were past such idiocy and then comes along these two guys.

 

[fskimospy]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

From my understanding that's a pretty common position to hold. The idea is that because they never had a chance to know Jesus they can't be held responsible so they get a free ticket to heaven.

So when they say the only passage to salvation is through Jesus there's a pretty big asterisk. It is kind of odd though that more Christians don't consider a free ticket to heaven to be a gift instead of something evil. It's almost as if they're just making it all up.

 

[SMOGZINN]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

That is exactly what they are doing because it is not a part of Christianity.
Under Christian belief not only does it not have a soul, the bible specifically states it does not have a soul until it takes it's first breath, but if it did that soul would not have accepted Jesus as it's savior and been baptized, so it has no hope of Salvation. Many churches refuse to bury unbaptized children for that very reason.

 

[mect]

From my understanding that's a pretty common position to hold. The idea is that because they never had a chance to know Jesus they can't be held responsible so they get a free ticket to heaven.

So when they say the only passage to salvation is through Jesus there's a pretty big asterisk. It is kind of odd though that more Christians don't consider a free ticket to heaven to be a gift instead of something evil. It's almost as if they're just making it all up.

It's kind of a hard balance to strike. On the one hand, making sure they stay in control of women's bodies, on the other hand trying to make it so god doesn't appear to be too big of a dick. Compromises have to be made.

 

[nakedfrog]

"All aborted / miscarried children go to heaven. "

Who the fuck makes this shit up?

It's funny, because my partner's mom goes to an evangelical Orange Idol worshiping church, and she's against abortion because aborted babies go to hell.
And rape babies are, of course, "part of god's plan". Seems to me that if rape babies are part of god's plan, how could abortion violate god's plan? What kind of feeble deity is this? Shouldn't we be undoing existence by proving god fallible if we're mucking up the ineffable plan?

 

[cytg111]

It's kind of a hard balance to strike. On the one hand, making sure they stay in control of women's bodies, on the other hand trying to make it so god doesn't appear to be too big of a dick. Compromises have to be made.

Yes... Its all about that power, always is.
Thats my main gripe with religion at large... the leadership segment.
Power hungry peeps is drawn to leader ship positions, this is a fact we can agree on right?
In a functioning democracy, separation of powers, a free press, we the people at the very least have a chance to get rid of the psychos ... We vote them the fuck out.
Established religious cults? No so much.. Molest some kids and you just go into rotation, given another flock to molest. That is my gripe with religion, you, we the people, cant get rid of the psychos.