SCOTUS hearing on Roe V Wade

[cytg111]

It's funny, because my partner's mom goes to an evangelical Orange Idol worshiping church, and she's against abortion because aborted babies go to hell.
And rape babies are, of course, "part of god's plan". Seems to me that if rape babies are part of god's plan, how could abortion violate god's plan? What kind of feeble deity is this? Shouldn't we be undoing existence by proving god fallible if we're mucking up the ineffable plan?

Dogma, a true cinematic treasure

 

[mect]

Yes... Its all about that power, always is.
Thats my main gripe with religion at large... the leadership segment.
Power hungry peeps is drawn to leader ship positions, this is a fact we can agree on right?
In a functioning democracy, separation of powers, a free press, we the people at the very least have a chance to get rid of the psychos ... We vote them the fuck out.
Established religious cults? No so much.. Molest some kids and you just go into rotation, given another flock to molest. That is my gripe with religion, you, we the people, cant get rid of the psychos.

Yes, and I think the biggest problem with power is when people believe the power is bundled with divine support. This is the problem with believing America was founded as a Christian nation. This is the problem with church's claiming they speak for god. If you speak for god, then no one is allowed to question what you say. Your actions are automatically justified. You get unlimited free passes.

 

[MrSquished]

It's funny, because my partner's mom goes to an evangelical Orange Idol worshiping church, and she's against abortion because aborted babies go to hell.
And rape babies are, of course, "part of god's plan". Seems to me that if rape babies are part of god's plan, how could abortion violate god's plan? What kind of feeble deity is this? Shouldn't we be undoing existence by proving god fallible if we're mucking up the ineffable plan?

Of course rape babies are cool, they worship a guy who likes to just grab pussies and ogle naked teen beauty contestants.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Lol so abortion is a fast pass to heaven, sounds like the most moral thing to do is abort every fetus.

Sociopaths are scary.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Of course rape babies are cool, they worship a guy who likes to just grab pussies and ogle naked teen beauty contestants.

You are very lost my friend... sad to see the deterioration of your posts as more and more of your lies get exposed to the light.

 

[dank69]

So, did you not read, or not understand what I wrote? Legal outcomes very often depend on intent. There is a reason for that. This conversation is so effed up .

I haven't argued intent or legal outcomes. I just want to make sure you understand the implications of your words. According to your words here your justification for your anti-abortion stance has absolutely nothing to do with protecting the soul of the fetus, since you concede that an aborted soul is treated no differently than a miscarried soul. You understand this and acknowledge it?

So what should the punishment be for someone who undertakes an activity that has an 80% chance of killing a child?

If a person concedes that they are not opposing abortion out of concern for the "child" this line of questioning is moot.

 

[darkswordsman17]

It's funny, because my partner's mom goes to an evangelical Orange Idol worshiping church, and she's against abortion because aborted babies go to hell.
And rape babies are, of course, "part of god's plan". Seems to me that if rape babies are part of god's plan, how could abortion violate god's plan? What kind of feeble deity is this? Shouldn't we be undoing existence by proving god fallible if we're mucking up the ineffable plan?

Wait, you're surprised a deity that raped a woman to birth His son which became Him (which is one of the ways religious people are deliberately taught that logic is not a thing but faith is) is cool with rape but not cool with abortion? Its honestly one of the few times there's real consistency.

 

[brycejones]

Sociopaths are scary.

Indeed, do you get ptsd when you look into a mirror?

 

[darkswordsman17]

It's not like miscarriages aren't a problem - they are not 'good', they are lamentable, but, an unfortunate aspect of human biology. A choice to abort is not they same as being open to life (pregnancy) and miscarrying. After all, men and women who do not use contraception are opening themselves up to creating life - that's a pretty basic biological concept - that's how intercourse works. As to what happens to aborted fetuses or blastocysts (visa vi salvation), it remains a largely unanswerable question. We retain within the Church the concept of mystery, there are somethings that God has not revealed to us - things He deems we need not know.

So let's say there's a "miscarriage" that the woman doesn't even know happened (i.e. early enough that it just seems to be a late excessive period), but if it hadn't happened, the woman would have died and the baby permanently harmed, is that still "not good"? And what about not being open to life, but miscarrying? Should we put the woman to death for that too? So intent, right? So she had no intent to make life but it happened but then naturally, not by her intent, it failed.

Also, let's say a pregnant woman is at a baseball game. And there's a player that has made it clear he doesn't want children and is pro-abortion and he hits a foul ball hitting the mother that leads to the baby dying. Should he be charged?

And what if a woman has the anti-christ in her womb, is it ok, not ok to abort it?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Of course rape babies are cool, they worship a guy who likes to just grab pussies and ogle naked teen beauty contestants.

Rape babies would be a good punk band name.

 

[nakedfrog]

Wait, you're surprised a deity that raped a woman to birth His son which became Him (which is one of the ways religious people are deliberately taught that logic is not a thing but faith is) is cool with rape but not cool with abortion? Its honestly one of the few times there's real consistency.

No, I'm not surprised at all, did you get the impression I was surprised? I just think it's funny that this radicalized lunatic believes the opposite thing about what happens to aborted babies compared to another radicalized Christian.

 

[brycejones]

No, I'm not surprised at all, did you get the impression I was surprised? I just think it's funny that this radicalized lunatic believes the opposite thing about what happens to aborted babies compared to another radicalized Christian.

When you have to make shit up because it isn’t in the Bible it can go either way.

 

[MrSquished]

Religion has consistently been at the sides of the worst tyrants and movements in history, from slavery to the crusades to jihad and all around corruption and persistent child sex abuse, why in God's name would anyone think they'd get this right or their devotees would either?

 

[darkswordsman17]

No, I'm not surprised at all, did you get the impression I was surprised? I just think it's funny that this radicalized lunatic believes the opposite thing about what happens to aborted babies compared to another radicalized Christian.

I certainly did based on you seeming to actually be confused that there was any conundrum at all with regards to Him being super fine with rape but not abortion. Of all the things that you seemed to believe completely unraveled the entirety of their belief system, I really don't know why you felt that was it.

 

[nakedfrog]

I certainly did based on you seeming to actually be confused that there was any conundrum at all with regards to Him being super fine with rape but not abortion. Of all the things that you seemed to believe completely unraveled the entirety of their belief system, I really don't know why you felt that was it.

That wasn't it, in my youth I was a militant internet atheist, so don't be under the impression any of this is new to me. See, that's why I led with "It's funny" and not "I'm confused", and after that I was just mocking the incongruousness.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Religion has consistently been at the sides of the worst tyrants and movements in history, from slavery to the crusades to jihad and all around corruption and persistent child sex abuse, why in God's name would anyone think they'd get this right or their devotees would either?

I don't think its religion, although that is a method that is often used to spread it. There's a mindset, that you see across religions, ideologies, and even against what should be polar opposite ones, like say Soviet Communism and American Capitalism (where conservatives were saying the exact same shit, wanting the exact same behavior that the hardline communists were with regards to swearing fealty to the state, demanding compliance and falling in line, even their homophobia, racism, and other bigotry is largely the same), and yet you see the exact same shit. Because its the same mentality, just with some slightly different flavors. But we've seen it in almost every single ideological group in history.

I think its the animal part of our brains, just seeking to establish dominance, until it becomes so horrific that enough people are forced into a fight or flight response that fight back (say in WWII for instance), or one side gets dominance and it burns out enough (as we've seen when one group commits genocide and then becomes more peaceful).

 

[pauldun170]

If you want to reduce abortions, just stop voting republicans into office

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Rape babies would be a good punk band name.

Hell is really hot.

 

[IronWing]

Hell is really hot.

Hell is exactly what you want it to be, but don’t expect others to humor your imagination.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

If you want to reduce abortions, just stop voting republicans into office

LOL - the graph is upside down. Here is the real data:





I wonder if Marg Sanger was a liberal democrat/socialist/radical or conservative republican? Who knows? Apparently judging from this data, or at least YOUR data, she should be, don't you think?

 

[fskimospy]

Hell is really hot.

Sounds like his parents should have aborted him, then he would be in paradise!

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Hell is exactly what you want it to be, but don’t expect others to humor your imagination.

Very deep and introspective. Almost as deep as "rape baby".

I do like your username though, after all, ironwing sings "two steps from Hell", a song you should probably reflect on a time or two before you meet your maker. God does not like his children being murdered before even having a chance to live. You murder the baby, that's a violation of his/her rights but you don't care about it? You only care about the rights of the mother? That's called a double standard.

Then again, don't try to take flight with those heavy wings. You might crash and burn.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, if we needed any further evidence that it was just a troll, I think that about does it.

 

[dank69]

Very deep and introspective. Almost as deep as "rape baby".

I do like your username though, after all, ironwing sings "two steps from Hell", a song you should probably reflect on a time or two before you meet your maker. God does not like his children being murdered before even having a chance to live. You murder the baby, that's a violation of his/her rights but you don't care about it? You only care about the rights of the mother? That's called a double standard.

Then again, don't try to take flight with those heavy wings. You might crash and burn.

We don't confer rights until the moment it is born, currently. Regardless, even a person with full rights does not have a right to occupy space inside another person without their consent, and the person being occupied has the right to terminate that consent at any time.

 

[Paratus]

Very deep and introspective. Almost as deep as "rape baby".

I do like your username though, after all, ironwing sings "two steps from Hell", a song you should probably reflect on a time or two before you meet your maker. God does not like his children being murdered before even having a chance to live. You murder the baby, that's a violation of his/her rights but you don't care about it? You only care about the rights of the mother? That's called a double standard.

Then again, don't try to take flight with those heavy wings. You might crash and burn.

I like the implications of what you are saying about God here.

Omniscient, omnipotent, all loving God who does not like his children being aborted designed us and our procreation process that spontaneously aborts as many as it creates.

So could he not design the process to not have spontaneous abortions? Then he’s not omnipotent

Maybe he didn’t know this would happen, but then he wouldn’t be Omniscient.

If he’s both and it’s wrong to abort he’s not all loving - he’s evil.

Quite the conundrum you’ve put your beliefs in. It’s ok. God works in mysterious ways, right? But not so mysterious that you just know he wants raped children to risk dying in child birth rather than abort because it’s about love and life.