Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

[dainthomas]

"Bartender" is a more respectable career to have had one year before becoming president than "failed businessman and con artist."

So telling how the party of billionaires uses "bartender" as a slur. As if it's demeaning to hold a regular working class job.

 

[glenn1]

It's going to be an extra dose of clusterfuck in the WH no matter what happens. Even if Trump were to get reelected in 2020 and make it to 2024, there is no chance that he would provide a competent transition team to his successor. If he loses in 2020, they'll all walk the fuck out the day after the election leaving it empty until the next Pres is sworn in, and that's assuming he doesn't fight the results in court. If he is removed before 2020, well, same thing. Then there is the matter of unwinding all the bullshit he put in place, rounding up all his sycophants and corrupt cronies and sending them on the first manned mission to Mars, and undoing executive orders for days/weeks/months. Then repairing our relationships with all our allies and attempting to put checks back on all the dictators can begin.

Next in line to Pelosi is Steny Hoyer. Doubt Pelosi would be OK with him taking the top seat since they were previously bitter rivals and she historically carries grudges.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah I'd love to know that too. That could be a very spicy meatball.

Executive Privilege is going to be on ever increasing shaky ground. Once the format is set and impeachment powers kick in that will no longer be a refuge. All the witnesses can do is claim the Fifth, but that would be a defense if they expected criminal charges to be made against them personally and not the President.

Awkward.

 

[K1052]

Maguire has emphatically stated that neither the President, White House, nor DOJ ever asked him to bury the complaint or reveal the whistleblower’s identity. I’ll take him at his word for now.

That's a more narrow denial than I'd consider acceptable at this point.

 

[glenn1]

So telling how the party of billionaires uses "bartender" as a slur. As if it's demeaning to hold a regular working class job.

Being a bartender neither a slur nor demeaning, but I'd say it's not exactly the best prep work for being President of the United States. Nor would a "prestige" job like heart surgeon. The point is that AOC has nine months experience in government since her election and handing the Executive branch over to her is probably not the smartest move if you want someone with a strong base of experience who can clean up the Trump mess.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Executive Privilege is going to be on ever increasing shaky ground. Once the format is set and impeachment powers kick in that will no longer be a refuge. All the witnesses can do is claim the Fifth, but that would be a defense if they expected criminal charges to be made against them personally and not the President.

Awkward.

Given the number of people that could be involved, I feel like it'd be pretty simple for a proprietorial team to basically get them to convict each other. As you said, can't plead the 5th if it's not condemning you.

 

[dank69]

That's a more narrow denial than I'd consider acceptable at this point.

Yeah, still leaves wiggle room for people like Giuliani

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Being a bartender neither a slur nor demeaning, but I'd say it's not exactly the best prep work for being President of the United States. Nor would a "prestige" job like heart surgeon. The point is that AOC has nine months experience in government since her election and handing the Executive branch over to her is probably not the smartest move if you want someone with a strong base of experience who can clean up the Trump mess.

I don't think that's an issue at this time. She'll have to do time in Congress, unlike certain people we could name.

As far as Pelosi sitting this out I'd say no. If people who had conflicts with Nixon and his actions were to be removed then he would have finished his term.

Impeachment is a political, not judicial criminal process and that's how this is going to play out.

 

[PJFrylar]

Being a bartender neither a slur nor demeaning, but I'd say it's not exactly the best prep work for being President of the United States. Nor would a "prestige" job like heart surgeon. The point is that AOC has nine months experience in government since her election and handing the Executive branch over to her is probably not the smartest move if you want someone with a strong base of experience who can clean up the Trump mess.

While I don't think AOC is ready to be president, you realize that her bartending job was just one she took for money for her mother to help her avoid foreclosure after the death of her father, right? She worked various other political/educational jobs at the time as well.

 

[sportage]

WHAT THE F... is it with these republicans called to testify ????????????
None of them can answer a simple question without spin, deflection, changing the subject, and the babbling of nonsense.
I feel like I'm watching Chevy Chase in an SNL skit.
First we had this crap from Robert Mueller, and now the VERY SAME CRAPOLA from Jerry Maguire.
I guess it's technically Joesph Maguire, but who the F cares at this point. It might as well be Jerry Maguire.
Donald Trump certainly has his unlimited supply of protectors.
Damn.... and they sure learn well from their leader Donald Trump on how to PLAY the process to the max.
Good thing I'm not up there serving in the US house. I'd walk up and smack this idiot Maguire right in the face.
Maybe THAT is exactly what they need, a good old fashion smack in the face.

We're never going to get anywhere here with these witnesses who were obviously coached by Trump or by Trump officials i.e. Rudy Giuliani.
I really wonder if this witness Maguire is really Robert Mueller wearing a different wig?
This entire process is so F-ed up it's beyond belief. Going by what we are witnessing, America has already been cooped, taken over, become an dictatorship.
Hello Vladimir Putin, goodbye America.

 

[zinfamous]

While I know you're trolling the idea of Pelosi recusing herself is sound. Let's find someone to run the country who wasn't a bartender this time last year however if both Trump and Pence get replaced. We've had enough of the amateur hour at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

But she's already more qualified than either Trump or Pence. Besides, why can't democrats have their fun this time?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, still leaves wiggle room for people like Giuliani

Rudy has no wiggle room now. He is directly implicated in participating in an illegal matter regarding the President and may become one of the "Plumbers II" and do some time. Pardons? There is a principle in natural law which the Constitution is largely based, that effectively no person ought to be able to let himself off a hook in judgment. Pardoning for the benefit of oneself could easily be seen as tampering for self-interest. You might think it strange but if it comes down to it Gorsuch would likely stand on the side holding the rope as he is big on what Founders intended.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

WHAT THE F... is it with these republicans called to testify ????????????
None of them can answer a simple question without spin, deflection, changing the subject, and the babbling of nonsense.
I feel like I'm watching Chevy Chase in an SNL skit.
First we had this crap from Robert Mueller, and now the VERY SAME CRAPOLA from Jerry Maguire.
I guess it's technically Joesph Maguire, but who the F cares at the point. It might as well be Jerry Maguire.
Donald Trump certainly has his unlimited supply of protectors.
Damn.... and they sure learn well from their leader Donald Trump on how to PLAY the process to the max.
Good thing I'm not up there serving in the US house. I'd walk up and smack this idiot Maguire right in the face.
Maybe THAT is exactly what they need, a good old fashion smack in the face.

We're never going to get anywhere here with these witnesses who were obviously coached by Trump or by Trump officials i.e. Rudy Giuliani.
I really wonder if this witness Maguire is really Robert Mueller wearing a different wig?
This entire process is so F-ed up it's beyond belief. Going by what we are witnessing, America has already been cooped, taken over, become an dictatorship.
Hello Vladimir Putin, goodbye America.

Well Annie, git yer gun!

Why don't you hold off on the histrionics for a bit.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If he loses in 2020, they'll all walk the fuck out the day after the election leaving it empty until the next Pres is sworn in, and that's assuming he doesn't fight the results in court.

I doubt very seriously that Trump would walk away from the lame duck part of his term. To someone like Trump that time would be a blessing, he would have practically free reign to do anything he wants with the entire power of the executive branch. What are they going to do impeach him in his last 2 months? No, as soon as it is obvious that Trump is going to lose the office he is going to use every power of the Executive branch he can muster to secure his own fortunes.

 

[zinfamous]

That would be a interesting Constitutional conundrum. AOC is not old enough to run for Presidency, but the Constitution only talks about an age restriction for Presidential Candidates, and does not actually list any requirements for holding the position. Heads across the US would indeed explode.

Eh, maybe just appoint her to SCOTUS, then.

--cha-ching!

 

[VRAMdemon]

Tan the Conman - : "I know a lot of people from Ukraine. They're great people. I owned something called the Miss Universe pageants years ago ... we had a winner from Ukraine ... it's a country with tremendous potential."

Lol...There has never been a Miss Universe from Ukraine.

Okay, how about a test.

Trump said "I know a lot of people from Ukraine."

At his next live press conference, he should be asked to name three Ukrainians.

I'd be willing to bet money he couldn't do it.

 

[evident]

This way, the House can nominate the new, fresher Speaker of the House, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

While i'd love to see this just for the fact that right wingers heads would explode, I don't think she's ready at all for that position and needs TONS more experience. For all of the left wing bitching and complaining about Pelosi being too slow to impeach, too old, too institutional blah blah blah, she has been masterful and I am so proud of her.

 

[dank69]

Rudy has no wiggle room now. He is directly implicated in participating in an illegal matter regarding the President and may become one of the "Plumbers II" and do some time. Pardons? There is a principle in natural law which the Constitution is largely based, that effectively no person ought to be able to let himself off a hook in judgment. Pardoning for the benefit of oneself could easily be seen as tampering for self-interest. You might think it strange but if it comes down to it Gorsuch would likely stand on the side holding the rope as he is big on what Founders intended.

Oh I agree, Giuliani is fucked. But the acting DNI is covered when we find out someone like Giuliani is the one who told him to bury this, because he didn't commit perjury.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Pardoning for the benefit of oneself could easily be seen as tampering for self-interest. You might think it strange but if it comes down to it Gorsuch would likely stand on the side holding the rope as he is big on what Founders intended.

Actually I doubt the SCOTUS would see it as such. I am willing to bet that they would rule that the President can pardon anyone except himself for any reason he sees fit and that the remedy to that is for Congress to impeach him for improper use of it.

 

[dainthomas]

Eh, maybe just appoint her to SCOTUS, then.

--cha-ching!

Yep. No age or professional requirements. Trump could appoint A$AP Rocky.

 

[zinfamous]

So telling how the party of billionaires uses "bartender" as a slur. As if it's demeaning to hold a regular working class job.

I know, right? Nearly all the Trump deplorables that use that a cudgel against her would be happy to have that job, let alone any job that isn't described as: "bathing in mud, sustained by your own feces, and trolling the internet, for MAGA"

Remember: they claim to be "the people," yet all they ever do is lionize the billionaires that gleefully steal their wealth, and try to criminalize and demean the actual working class (themselves, really--they will never be millionaires or billionaires)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh I agree, Giuliani is fucked. But the acting DNI is covered when we find out someone like Giuliani is the one who told him to bury this, because he didn't commit perjury.

In the end, I think Watergate will look like a kids tea party.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh I agree, Giuliani is fucked. But the acting DNI is covered when we find out someone like Giuliani is the one who told him to bury this, because he didn't commit perjury.

According to what I read in the complaint, regarding the coverup involving the phone call, staffers were approached by "WH lawyers" and the request was made. So I think it's the lawyer wall that stands between what Trump and others commanded.

In fact, I wonder if Trump ever realized what he was doing. Seems that multiple treasonous phone calls were made and requests made to bury them under improper classification. This could easily just be the council sweeping in and covering up after the toddler.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yup, just read it, my basic takeaway is the allegation is Trump effed up big time and then proceeded to order a conspiracy to cover up his actions. Multiple people were aware of what went on. Giuliani is Trump's new Cohen and committed multiple crimes in his service.

Yeah per Morning Joe around one dozen White House folks were present for the call. Should be interesting to see if any jump ship.

 

[dank69]

According to what I read in the complaint, regarding the coverup involving the phone call, staffers were approached by "WH lawyers" and the request was made. So I think it's the lawyer wall that stands between what Trump and others commanded.

In fact, I wonder if Trump ever realized what he was doing. Seems that multiple treasonous phone calls were made and requests made to bury them under improper classification. This could easily just be the council sweeping in and covering up after the toddler.

Nobody could have seen this coming. Like, literally, nobody could have predicted this behavior thousands of times before Trump was even elected.