Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

[sportage]

Where are the Sam Ervin's of today?
We need Sam Ervin.

 

[dank69]

Yeah per Morning Joe around one dozen White House folks were present for the call. Should be interesting to see if any jump ship.

They won't be able to jump far enough.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I detect OroroRORorororoOOOOrrro bot soon to be reactivated, with many youtube longhairs videos in his holster.

Hopefully the shirtless leather jacket wearing dude appears.
Dude whose hair looks like the crypt keeper.

 

[UNCjigga]

My fallible instincts tell me that Maguire is credible but significantly erred in his decision. I will withhold judgment for the time being. On the plus side he is emphatically supporting the whistleblower's action and is not entertaining the idea of "spy" or wrongdoer in any way. This has set the Reps back on attacking the source of the complaint unless they are going to completely throw Maguire under the bus and I doubt that's going to be a theme today.

I actually agree with the Republicans on the committee about one thing—the whistleblower law does not explicitly deal with matters of executive privilege. Maguire acted within the confines of the law. You could say it was poor judgement to reach out to White House lawyers and OLC if they were involved in the complaint, but there was no other authority to provide DNI with counsel.

I may eat these words later, but at this point in time I think Maguire would make a decent permanent DNI.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Actually I doubt the SCOTUS would see it as such. I am willing to bet that they would rule that the President can pardon anyone except himself for any reason he sees fit and that the remedy to that is for Congress to impeach him for improper use of it.

We may find out but I think we can all agree that no one expected or would approve of using a pardon as a means of defense in a Presidents self-interest.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Eh, maybe just appoint her to SCOTUS, then.

--cha-ching!

While I know people that believe that AOC should be the replacement for RBG when she finally retires, I try to remind them that RBG was a exceptionally talented and experienced lawyer and judge who had argued many cases before the SCOTUS before her appointment. She was a largely bipartisan choice having been recommended to President Clinton by long standing Republican Orrin Hatch.

While I like AOC and think she is a positive force in politics, I don't think she should be given a lifelong appointment to the Supreme Court. There are a lot of other talented judges and lawyers we should consider. As for AOC I think she will do a fine job as a Representative and hopefully eventually Senator, and I view her as a voice for the next generation in politics. We need progressive voices like hers to keep us looking to the future.

 

[emperus]

I actually agree with the Republicans on the committee about one thing—the whistleblower law does not explicitly deal with matters of executive privilege. Maguire acted within the confines of the law. You could say it was poor judgement to reach out to White House lawyers and OLC if they were involved in the complaint, but there was no other authority to provide DNI with counsel.

I may eat these words later, but at this point in time I think Maguire would make a decent permanent DNI.

No, the fact that he went to the White House first rules him out. He should have went to the OLC or relied upon his departments lawyers. That is terrible judgement if not worse to go to the person the whistle blower complaint is about.

 

[Jhhnn]

According to what I read in the complaint, regarding the coverup involving the phone call, staffers were approached by "WH lawyers" and the request was made. So I think it's the lawyer wall that stands between what Trump and others commanded.

In fact, I wonder if Trump ever realized what he was doing. Seems that multiple treasonous phone calls were made and requests made to bury them under improper classification. This could easily just be the council sweeping in and covering up after the toddler.

Wrong. After the Mueller report, everybody in America knew that soliciting foreign aid for a political campaign is illegal. That includes Trump. He did it anyway. His staff covering for that is a criminal conspiracy.

 

[UNCjigga]

No, the fact that he went to the White House first rules him out. He should have went to the OLC or relied upon his departments lawyers. That is terrible judgement if not worse to go to the person the whistle blower complaint is about.

His options were to follow the letter of the law with something unprecedented and risk undermining executive privilege (which would definitely get him fired or worse) OR seek counsel and punt the decision to withhold to OLC. I don’t fault him for making the decision he did, knowing he was on the job for only a few days. I don’t think he made that decision for partisan reasons. But, I agree there could be more to this story we don’t know yet.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Lol oops.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177253255837077510

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Chris, Joseph Maguire is such a snively little shit. Dude refuses to speak with the conviction of his office and simply will not accept responsibility for himself or his agency.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah, this guy's credibility is trash.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Maguire is waffling on whether this matter should be investigated but when forced to answer he agreed that it should be then backtracked again.

He's looking bad right now and Schiff has him on the ropes. Maguire just lost any credibility he may have had as far as I am concerned. All he needed to say is that if a credible claim is made then there should be some sort of investigation and he would not.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Maguire is waffling on whether this matter should be investigated but when forced to answer he agreed that it should be then backtracked again.

He's looking bad right now and Schiff has him on the ropes. Maguire just lost any credibility he may have had as far as I am concerned. All he needed to say is that if a credible claim is made then there should be some sort of investigation and he would not.

He wouldn't even answer whether or not it was a bad thing. Like what possible fallout could there be for him to say 'yeah, presidents shouldn't meddle in elections'. What, is he going to get fired from this administration? /flip

 

[vi edit]

I just struggle to understand how someone can offer the ultimate sacrifice to their country (their life) for close to 30 years only to sit here and defend a lawless president and try and save a job he's had for a handful of weeks.

 

[emperus]

His options were to follow the letter of the law with something unprecedented and risk undermining executive privilege (which would definitely get him fired or worse) OR seek counsel and punt the decision to withhold to OLC. I don’t fault him for making the decision he did, knowing he was on the job for only a few days. I don’t think he made that decision for partisan reasons. But, I agree there could be more to this story we don’t know yet.

Yes, but he went to the WHITE HOUSE first! Bad decision making.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I just struggle to understand how someone can offer the ultimate sacrifice to their country (their life) for close to 30 years only to sit here and defend a lawless president and try and save a job he's had for a handful of weeks.

It is either that, or lose their power. For them the choice is obvious.

 

[emperus]

I just struggle to understand how someone can offer the ultimate sacrifice to their country (their life) for close to 30 years only to sit here and defend a lawless president and try and save a job he's had for a handful of weeks.

Schiff cut him. I'm not sure why he's throwing his reputation away.

 

[fskimospy]

Maguire has emphatically stated that neither the President, White House, nor DOJ ever asked him to bury the complaint or reveal the whistleblower’s identity. I’ll take him at his word for now.

The DOJ said it was illegal for him to release.

 

[fskimospy]

I actually agree with the Republicans on the committee about one thing—the whistleblower law does not explicitly deal with matters of executive privilege. Maguire acted within the confines of the law. You could say it was poor judgement to reach out to White House lawyers and OLC if they were involved in the complaint, but there was no other authority to provide DNI with counsel.

I may eat these words later, but at this point in time I think Maguire would make a decent permanent DNI.

I think Maguire seems like an honest guy but he definitely displayed poor judgment here as executive privilege does not cover materials dealing with criminal activity or abuse of office as per US v. Nixon.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I just struggle to understand how someone can offer the ultimate sacrifice to their country (their life) for close to 30 years only to sit here and defend a lawless president and try and save a job he's had for a handful of weeks.

*nods*..It's really hard to understand. Trump has the overwhelming support of the Republican voting base. Going against Trump is a career ending move for any Republican hoping to hold any kind of public office. Only retiring Republicans can safely turn on him. Of course he is a political liability, but the alternative is career suicide.

The human brain prioritizes the short term calculus over the long term. In the long term? Sure, Trump's a liability; meanwhile, these congressional reps have to win re-election next November, most of them run in districts that strongly back Trump, and there's no reason anyone should expect these voters in these highly-gerrymandered districts to fall out of love with what Trump is selling them. Republicans drew a map that created cult politics. It was "base" politics taken to an extreme

 

[zinfamous]

Wrong. After the Mueller report, everybody in America knew that soliciting foreign aid for a political campaign is illegal. That includes Trump. He did it anyway. His staff covering for that is a criminal conspiracy.

I'm not saying that his own personal ignorance of what he does removes his culpability from engaging in high crimes, as he pretty clearly has done. I'm only saying that, as part of his lifelong narcissism, I think he honestly has no clue. This is all actually "quite normal" to him. His default is laws don't matter. Over decades, I'm sure that it has gotten to the point in his brain where it is literally impossible for him to interpret any of his actions as criminal, or even improper, because that concept doesn't exist for him. It is the default, and it is expected of him. He wouldn't have it any other way.

His brain is incapable of acting in his own best interest. ...and that's the thing. I wouldn't be surprised if this is just teams of people sweeping up after him, and they were caught. And now he's caught. But obviously he's not going to do himself any favors and go with deniability "the Ronnie maneuver," because he is mentally incapable of not projecting his own form of strength. He HAS to be in charge. He is going to admit to all of it, confident that he is all above board, and it will be his undoing.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Looks like the rats are starting to eat each other alive.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177249644461604867

 

[hal2kilo]

You may want to revisit what Mueller's official statement was about the indictment stuff. The report did address 10 potential obstruction complaints but then also stated that the evidence didn't support them. Mueller specifically testified that he didn't agree with any of the Democrat committee members' conclusion about Trump having obstructed justice. I watched a lot of the testimony, read a fair amount of the report and the transcripts of the questioning.

So are you saying that AG Barr has illegally withheld information about the Mueller investigation from Congress? That is a big claim. I bet Adam Schiff let you into his secret evidence locker and you were able to get a glimpse of all the damning materials.

Because they were instructed to lie by Trump! Lots of undeclared with no basis, executive privilege.

 

[dainthomas]

Maguire is waffling on whether this matter should be investigated but when forced to answer he agreed that it should be then backtracked again.

He's looking bad right now and Schiff has him on the ropes. Maguire just lost any credibility he may have had as far as I am concerned. All he needed to say is that if a credible claim is made then there should be some sort of investigation and he would not.

Anyone who's not a Trump toadie would say every credible claim should be investigated. It will be such a relief once Trump is gone and we can get these people out.