Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

[AMDZen]

Why are your Tebows arranged in the shape of the letter L? One to represent their loss to the Patriots in the regular season, and another to represent their coming loss in the postseason?

It was supposed to be like a
DOOT pause
DOOT pause
DOOT DOOT DOOT

You know like at sports games

But it didn't come out the way I envisioned it

Don't be mad because you're team has never won shit and is clearly on the downward trend for years to come. I think AP's career is done.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Must be awesome to love two teams that have never won, and in the case of SD, will never win a SuperBowl

No, actually it sucks. I went up to one of my co-workers a couple weeks ago, he's from Boston and a die hard Patriots fan, and I asked him what it was like to root for a team that has actually won a Superbowl. He laughed and got introspective for just a second and then he said softly that it was great. :biggrin:

Kind of warmed me up to his team a bit because it reminded me that not all their fans are complete dicks.

 

[AMDZen]

No, actually it sucks. I went up to one of my co-workers a couple weeks ago, he's from Boston and a die hard Patriots fan, and I asked him what it was like to root for a team that has actually won a Superbowl. He laughed and got introspective for just a second and then he said softly that it was great. :biggrin:

Kind of warmed me up to his team a bit because it reminded me that not all their fans are complete dicks.

In reality, you should be glad that you root for (mostly) losing teams. Most humble fans of those teams are much better people.

In fact, I hate to make blanket statements but Steelers fans and Patriot fans are currently the worst. They are so jaded from the constant winning over the last decade or so that their attitudes leave a lot to be desired.

To key off what you are saying - I was listening to ESPN Boston and it almost made me puke. They acted like the regular season didn't even matter (when discussing that they never played a team with a winning record at the time of the game until this week) because they expected to be there. It basically went without saying that they would be in the post season.

They were complaining that the Patriots have actually gone the longest of any Boston sports team without winning a championship. Acting like it was a huge thing for the Patriots to have gone 4 years without winning a playoff game, and Brady being 0-3 in his last three games as if he's on the decline.

I guess its just the whole city having become jaded with, first the Pats, then the Celtics, then the Sox, and then the Bruins. They basically sounded like they were entitled to another one for the Patriots.

To say that it was disgusting would be an understatement. I have to remind myself that not all Boston fans are like that even though I don't know any. Its good that someone does

 

[PimpJuice]

You are trying to back off it by saying it was just a blanket statement, but you listed very specific QBs. If you are going to try and use the blanket statement defense, then don't point out individuals that you are throwing under your bus. I'd like for you to give reasons why you think the QBs that you listed never tried to improve.

Also FYI, Kordell had to completely revamp his gameplay style from college to the pros, which is something that Tebow has not had to do. If you look at footage of Kordell from college and Kordell in his second year with the Steelers, he had changed. If you look at Tebow at Florida and Tebow now, most of his mechanics are the same. This is the reason why people constantly point out that his mechanics are still horrible everytime they watch him play.

I'm not backing off, just apologizing for the stupid statement which was not intended the way it was written. I was just listing recent quarterbacks.
In terms of my reasons for why they never tried to improve? I don't have any because I don't know them or heard about their efforts.

What I do know is that of the list I posted, that there were maybe 2 QBs who actually improved year to year. My assumption is that they did not put forth the effort, or maybe they did but just couldn't figure it all out to make it "click".

McNair, McNabb, Vick, and Culpepper are the only standouts and I think. My thoughts.

McNair - I believe he improved as his career went along.

McNabb - there are lots of rumors of laziness. I didn't feel as though his passing skills improved very much over his career. He was always right around the QB rating of 85. I also never saw the desire from him to win.

Vick - I have no doubts that he works hard now. He still relapses into run-mode first, but he has definitely improved.

Culpepper - Not fair to judge due to injuries, but was a beast for a few years.

The rest on that list were highly talented, but far from good. Maybe someone else can give their opinion on why they never hit the next level that was expected of their talents?

Kordell did have to change, but his footwork and throwing motion were nothing special nor did they improve much. I never thought he looked very comfortable back there.

But like I said, Cam Newton is breaking that mold quick......and I am a big fan of RG3. I love seeing talent like that, just wish to someday see someone put it all together.

 

[PimpJuice]

I guess its just the whole city having become jaded with, first the Pats, then the Celtics, then the Sox, and then the Bruins. They basically sounded like they were entitled to another one for the Patriots.

Whats annoying is that not long ago, most of those teams were irrelevant in the 90s. The bandwagon fans are the ones giving Boston a bad name, and there are tens of thousands of them.

 

[AstroManLuca]

It was supposed to be like a
DOOT pause
DOOT pause
DOOT DOOT DOOT

You know like at sports games

But it didn't come out the way I envisioned it

Don't be mad because you're team has never won shit and is clearly on the downward trend for years to come. I think AP's career is done.

I'm not mad, just some good old fashioned shit talking is all I was doing. Schadenfreude is all I have left as a Vikings fan.

 

[AMDZen]

I'm not mad, just some good old fashioned shit talking is all I was doing. Schadenfreude is all I have left as a Vikings fan.

Do you think AP will be back? What are they saying about it around those parts?

He is so dynamic that the whole league will simply not be the same if he doesn't return. Will be a serious shame for a player that could definitely break records and make the HOF

 

[AstroManLuca]

Do you think AP will be back? What are they saying about it around those parts?

He is so dynamic that the whole league will simply not be the same if he doesn't return. Will be a serious shame for a player that could definitely break records and make the HOF

People are cautiously optimistic but I think in the back of everyone's mind, they're assuming he'll probably never be the same. But if you've seen the guy run you know he's a fighter.

Also, realistically, I just despise how the Vikings are focusing so much on run offense. It's just a losing strategy in today's NFL. Teams who spend tons of money on a running back usually suck. Or at least they don't get as high and consistent of performance as they do when they focus on a passing offense. As happy as I am to have a great player like AP on my team, I knew signing him to a big contract extension wasn't the best way to create a winning team.

 

[Poulsonator]

Whats annoying is that not long ago, most of those teams were irrelevant in the 90s. The bandwagon fans are the ones giving Boston a bad name, and there are tens of thousands of them.

All of those teams were irrelevant in the 90s.

Indeed the bandwagon fans are the ones that make fans of other teams hate them. The real fans (I'm a Sox fan for 30 years now) remember how bad the losing sucked, and don't take winning for granted. Boston sports has had a historic decade, the likes of which no city has ever seen. It's cyclical, though...take advantage while you can and remember these wonderful times 'cause they won't last (last September being great example).

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Predator nukes Tebow from orbit

EVERY TIME.


true story!

 

[BUTCH1]

Whats annoying is that not long ago, most of those teams were irrelevant in the 90s. The bandwagon fans are the ones giving Boston a bad name, and there are tens of thousands of them.

Yea, that part sucks, I have a co-worker from NY who is the most band-wagoner in the world, some of us were around during the Sullivan stadium years in the '70's hoping a Steve Grogan led team might get us there. Still cant believe they built an entire stadium for $6 mil., basically a huge high school type stadium, just bigger. Aluminum bench seating for all paid patrons! Zero wind protection from the gnawing winds but the sight lines were great and as long as you brought a pad to insulate yourself from the heat-sucking metal benches it was bearable..

 

[crashtestdummy]

In reality, you should be glad that you root for (mostly) losing teams. Most humble fans of those teams are much better people.

In fact, I hate to make blanket statements but Steelers fans and Patriot fans are currently the worst. They are so jaded from the constant winning over the last decade or so that their attitudes leave a lot to be desired.

To key off what you are saying - I was listening to ESPN Boston and it almost made me puke. They acted like the regular season didn't even matter (when discussing that they never played a team with a winning record at the time of the game until this week) because they expected to be there. It basically went without saying that they would be in the post season.

They were complaining that the Patriots have actually gone the longest of any Boston sports team without winning a championship. Acting like it was a huge thing for the Patriots to have gone 4 years without winning a playoff game, and Brady being 0-3 in his last three games as if he's on the decline.

I guess its just the whole city having become jaded with, first the Pats, then the Celtics, then the Sox, and then the Bruins. They basically sounded like they were entitled to another one for the Patriots.

To say that it was disgusting would be an understatement. I have to remind myself that not all Boston fans are like that even though I don't know any. Its good that someone does

I can't speak for Steelers fans, but as a Pats fan, let me defend my brethren a little.

These are our glory years. After nearly 50 years of irrelevance, the Pats are finally really, really good. In twenty years I'll be telling my kids stories about the snow bowl game and how I hit my head on my ceiling jumping after the field goal, the transformation of Tom Brady, the rise (and fall) of Randy Moss, the brilliance of Belichick, and how Gronk threw two men off his back and ran another 30 yards before finally being taken out. Most of us around New England know exactly what they have.

The thing is, the window is closing. In 10 years, Brady will be running for congress and Belichick will be writing books on football strategy (I hope anyway). Beyond them is a great abyss. The best we can hope for is like what we saw in the 90s: moments of brilliance with a lot of mediocre years and some really awful ones. There are only a few years left of the magic, and we're afraid of every moment that might be lost. We're like a dictator who knows the gig will be up soon, and is doing everything they can to hold onto power.

That's why we act like we do. For our "golden era" team, the playoffs are expected (one look at the team, warts and all, would have told you they were playoff bound at the beginning of the year), but what scares us is wasting another opportunity to add to the legacy. We get jealous of other good teams (like the Steelers, Saints and Packers) because they are the forces that will eventually dethrone us. After all, we spent 47 years in obscurity as the "Patsies". What we get in this era may be all we get for another 47.

I don't mean to sound like I don't appreciate this team. I love this team. They're fantastic. Watching Gronk this year has been a revelation, and I had fun no matter the playoff outcome. There is a part of me that will still be sad, though, if the Pats don't get title here, and will see it as another step towards the end of the era.

Cliffs:

• This is the best it'll ever be for the team (in a good way)
• We love watching them, but have now become afraid of losing them
• This makes us aggressive and paranoid.
• To fans on the outside, us panicking about a team going downward in 5 years seems silly.

 

[AMDZen]

I can't speak for Steelers fans, but as a Pats fan, let me defend my brethren a little.

These are our glory years. After nearly 50 years of irrelevance, the Pats are finally really, really good. In twenty years I'll be telling my kids stories about the snow bowl game and how I hit my head on my ceiling jumping after the field goal, the transformation of Tom Brady, the rise (and fall) of Randy Moss, the brilliance of Belichick, and how Gronk threw two men off his back and ran another 30 yards before finally being taken out. Most of us around New England know exactly what they have.

The thing is, the window is closing. In 10 years, Brady will be running for congress and Belichick will be writing books on football strategy (I hope anyway). Beyond them is a great abyss. The best we can hope for is like what we saw in the 90s: moments of brilliance with a lot of mediocre years and some really awful ones. There are only a few years left of the magic, and we're afraid of every moment that might be lost. We're like a dictator who knows the gig will be up soon, and is doing everything they can to hold onto power.

That's why we act like we do. For our "golden era" team, the playoffs are expected (one look at the team, warts and all, would have told you they were playoff bound at the beginning of the year), but what scares us is wasting another opportunity to add to the legacy. We get jealous of other good teams (like the Steelers, Saints and Packers) because they are the forces that will eventually dethrone us. After all, we spent 47 years in obscurity as the "Patsies". What we get in this era may be all we get for another 47.

I don't mean to sound like I don't appreciate this team. I love this team. They're fantastic. Watching Gronk this year has been a revelation, and I had fun no matter the playoff outcome. There is a part of me that will still be sad, though, if the Pats don't get title here, and will see it as another step towards the end of the era.

Cliffs:

• This is the best it'll ever be for the team (in a good way)
• We love watching them, but have now become afraid of losing them
• This makes us aggressive and paranoid.
• To fans on the outside, us panicking about a team going downward in 5 years seems silly.

You guys were obscure because the previous owner didn't care about football and about winning, he cared about money.

Robert Kraft has proven he cares about winning and actually likes the game of football.

Thats why the Broncos have really been so good for most of their existance. Because Pat Bowlen will not allow his team to lose. Shanahan got fired just because he didn't make the playoffs for 3 years. Yea, we have had bad years and we have lost more SuperBowls than any other team - but we have never had numerous years of obscurity like the Pats had before Robert Kraft bought the team, like Detroit had for so long, or like Oakland is still going through right now (and which hopefully lasts even longer than Detroits)

Robert Kraft is not going to allow your team to drift back into obscurity as long as he owns the team.

I'd be worried if I was a fan of say, the Cincinatti Bengals. Where the owner is clearly a fool and will never care that he doesn't sell out a single game because all he cares about is money, not about winning.

 

[crashtestdummy]

Robert Kraft is not going to allow your team to drift back into obscurity as long as he owns the team.

I'd be worried if I was a fan of say, the Cincinatti Bengals. Where the owner is clearly a fool and will never care that he doesn't sell out a single game because all he cares about is money, not about winning.

You're certainly right, but Belichick and Brady are once-in-a-lifetime talents. You also have to remember that before Belichick came along, Kraft didn't have the most wonderful reputation as an owner. He got in a fight with Parcells and was seen as a Jerry Jones-esque meddling owner. The team will be competitive, but it would utterly shock me if it is this good in ten years. That's why I want to savor every moment of this team that I can.

 

[Squisher]

NFL network is doing Tim Tebow: Season in Review tonight at 9:00pm

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[MotF Bane]

NFL network is doing Tim Tebow: Season in Review tonight at 9:00pm

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

This is why the whole league needs the Patriots to win.

 

[AMDZen]

Tom Brady, after living a full life, dies.

When he gets to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a nice little house with a faded Patriots flag in the window.

“This house is yours for eternity, Tom,” God said.
“This is very special. Not everyone gets a house up here.”

Tom felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just up the hill a bit further. It was a huge 3-story mansion with orange and blue sidewalks and driveways, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Broncos logo flag waving, a swimming pool in the shape of a horse, a Broncos logo in every window, and a Tim Tebow jersey on the front door.

Tom looked at God and said, “God, I’m not trying to be ungrateful, but I have a question. I was an all-pro quarterback, I won 3 Super Bowls, and I even went to the Hall of Fame…”

God said, “So what’s your point, Tom?”
“Well, why does Tim Tebow get a better house than me?”
God chuckled and said “Tom, that’s not Tim’s house. It’s mine...."

 

[RearAdmiral]

<-steeler fan

I would give anything to see Tebow win a superbowl. I have been getting aggravated by the NFL the past few years, especially by all the ditto heads thinking they know football. If it would make them shutup for a month that would be glorious.

I write better articles for my fantasy football league than 90% of the crap online.

 

[OutHouse]

 

[Zargon]

The thing is, the window is closing. In 10 years, Brady will be running for congress and Belichick will be writing books on football strategy (I hope anyway). Beyond them is a great abyss. The best we can hope for is like what we saw in the 90s: moments of brilliance with a lot of mediocre years and some really awful ones. There are only a few years left of the magic, and we're afraid of every moment that might be lost. We're like a dictator who knows the gig will be up soon, and is doing everything they can to hold onto power.

in 10 years bellicheck will be banned from football for all the cheating

 

[AMDZen]

<-steeler fan

I would give anything to see Tebow win a superbowl. I have been getting aggravated by the NFL the past few years, especially by all the ditto heads thinking they know football. If it would make them shutup for a month that would be glorious.

I write better articles for my fantasy football league than 90% of the crap online.

Nice!!!!

 

[MotF Bane]

<-steeler fan

I would give anything to see Tebow win a superbowl. I have been getting aggravated by the NFL the past few years, especially by all the ditto heads thinking they know football. If it would make them shutup for a month that would be glorious.

I write better articles for my fantasy football league than 90% of the crap online.

If Tebow gets a ring, the noise is going to get worse.

 

[MotF Bane]

in 10 years bellicheck will be banned from football for all the cheating

In ten years he's still going to be making other coaches look like fools.

 

[spidey07]

Tim Tebow is now the most popular athlete in America. Tim Tebow.

Tebow.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/jan/13/las-vegas-sports-books-are-no-sanctuary-tim-tebow/

A poll released by ESPN Thursday named Tebow the most popular athlete in America. That&#8217;s something Las Vegas sports book operators already knew based on the giant betting handles attached to every game Tebow and the Broncos have played in recently.

 

[Perknose]

I don't hate Tebow nor, as an adult, am I unduly bent out of shape at the press he's getting since, as a sentient adult, I realize how the press works -- they give us what we, collectively, wish to consume. We have met the enemy and, yea, verily, he is us!

I am also of the personal opinion that the league will once again catch up with Tebow, and that, barring a miracle (giggle), he will not become a long-standing winning QB in the NFL.

Otoh, if I'm proven wrong, that will be kind of cool!

Short term, I'm secretly hoping that he leads the Broncos past the Pats, for the absolute lulz of seeing so many heads explode!

In fact, I (ok, not so secretly now) hope he makes it all the way to the SB . . . and then loses in the very worst, turnover and airball way possible . . . again for the major lulz of seeing an entirely different group of fanboy heads exploding!

Whatever else, a Tebow SB would break all viewership records, no?