Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

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AMDZen

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:biggrin: I'm fickle when it comes to football and since the Bills and Chargers are out and the Patriots are no longer the dominating team they were a few years ago my hatred for them has waned enough that I can actually root for them this weekend. Next weekend it might be a different story. :p

My love of the Bills and the Chargers is unwavering though.

Must be awesome to love two teams that have never won, and in the case of SD, will never win a SuperBowl

Wow, coming from a Broncos fan that had Shanahan as coach.

Shanahan never cheated.

I'm sure your'e thinking of McDoufus who got busted last year. Gee, big surprise that Belichick lite was also a cheater. We promptly erased that mistake of a hiring.

I'm not an atheist nor any sort of tradtional Deist, but you may have more "true believer" in you than you might like to admit. :p

Steelers Broncos Wild Card Game Officials
R — #14 Ron Winter (17th year)
U — #49 Rich Hall (8th year)
HL — #52 Julian Mapp (3rd year)
LJ — #108 Gary Arthur (15th year)
FJ — #88 Scott Steenson (21st year)
SJ — #62 Ronald Torbert (2nd year)
BJ — #83 Richard Reels (19th year)

And that 31:06 time of possession was for Pittsburgh, not Denver.

http://www.footballzebras.com/category/assignments

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320108007

I was joking about the refs thing, I thought that was pretty obvious - and one could argue that its still interesting even if it is the Steelers TOP

You forgot the Ben Roethlisberger INT that happened on 3rd and 16.

Yea there were all kinds of numbers being thrown out there. Supposedly the TV ratings were tied to 31.6 or 316 or something too.
 

Capt Caveman

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Shanahan never cheated.

I'm sure your'e thinking of McDoufus who got busted last year. Gee, big surprise that Belichick lite was also a cheater. We promptly erased that mistake of a hiring.

Nope.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2002/01/09/life_of_reilly/

It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."
 

Desturel

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Wrong.....Tebow wasn't handed anything. He has way more haters than Kordell ever did when he started. His own team president and coach wouldn't even publicly get behind him 100%.

Kordell might have been more gifted athletically, I'll give you that but Tebow has 5 times the heart and works 10 times as hard as Kordell ever did.

You know why black QBs don't succeed? Its not because they aren't given the opportunity (Jamarcus Russell, anyone), its because they are lazy and don't work as hard once they've seen the big payday.

Rodney Peete
Andre Ware
Jeff Blake
Steve McNair
Kordell Stewart
Tony Banks
Charlie Batch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Shaun King
Aaron Brooks
Jarious Jackson
Michael Vick
Quincy Carter
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Byron Leftwich
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Tavaris Jackson
JaMarcus Russell
Troy Smith

There are about 2 QBs on that list that met expectations which is sad because these are supposed to be the best of the best black QBs to be drafted.

They just don't make Warren Moon and Randall Cunninghams anymore.

Now I agree on the lazy assessment for JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and Vince Young, but I really don't see where you are coming off on the rest of your list. Really, I know I'm just feeding the troll, but lets go through some of the obvious mistakes on that list.

Steve McNair was an NFL MVP, All-Star and had a Superbowl appearance and you think he didn't work hard?

Kordell Stewart, unlike Tebow, had to change his entire play style to fit in on the Steelers and the whole time he was the QB people were constantly shouting to get a traditional pocket passer as their QB. Remember Tommy Maddox? The Steelers fans were cheering for him to enter the game whenever Stewart missed a pass. This is the exact opposite of Tebow who no one expects to make a pass. If Kordell had the entire Steelers offense reworked to fit his gameplay style, he would have had a better time, but that didn't happen. As it is, the Steelers didn't and he still was an okay QB. Not great, but okay. To say he didn't work hard means you didn't follow the NFL when he was a QB.

Donovan McNabb may be a passive-aggressive drama Queen, but if you look at his stats, he's similar in record and accomplishment to Jim Kelly. I'm sure you don't think Jim Kelly was a lazy good for nothing, so why do you think that about McNabb? Any QB that can lead his team to the championship game consistently has to be respected.

Charlie Batch, you should ask Steelers fans about him. I've never heard a single negative thing about his work ethic or team cooperativeness. Not everyone has the talents to be a starting QB in the league, but I don't see you taking a dump on AJ Feeley, Billy Volek, Joey Harrington or John Kitna calling them lazy and unsuccessful. Not only that but unlike the guys I listed previously Batch has been able to hang onto his job with the same team meaning he must be doing something right.

Daunte Culpepper an Ed Block Courage award winner. A multiple time all-pro and pro bowl selection. AND he made Randy Moss look like less of an ass. Those are some great accomplishments. Seriously you don't just bounce back from busting your knee like Culpepper did unless you are a hard worker. Sure he's not as good of a player as he was before the injury, but you can't say that is because of a lack of effort on his part. Of course your boys Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf are different. Those were hard workers while Culpepper is just a bum.

Jason Campbell has worked his way through what? 6 different offensive Coordinators and QB coaches in six seasons in the NFL. Yet he still remains consistent and was putting up better numbers before his injury than Carson Palmer put up after he took over. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about in regards to Campbell.

Michael Vick had a two year layoff and worked back into NFL shape. Plus he gets hit more than any other QB, even the running QBs, but comes back again and again to play. Certainly not the work of a lazy person. Hate him because he's a dog killer and a whiner, but separate your personal feelings from his effort on the field. He doesn't mail it in after the first time he gets hit like your boy Jake Plummer. You might as well throw Jay Cutler under your bus while you are at it for looking pouty on the side lines whenever anything happens.

Byron Leftwich has played his heart out every time he's on the field. Broken arm. Broken Ankle. Broken Leg. He's come back from injuries time and time again. I don't think anyone can question Leftwich's "desire" and "heart" only his skills.

Tavaris Jackson played this season with a torn pectoral muscle and was still a better option at QB than Charlie Whitehurst. Take that for what you will.

David Garrard and MJD were the only real players on the Jags. This season you got to see how much worse the Jags were without a real QB. Luke McCown and Blaine Gabbert got killed this year under the same crappy offense that Gerrard had to run. But hey, it's better to be 5-11 with a white QB than it is to be 8-8 with a "lazy" black QB, right? Oh and BTW, Gerrard was technically 8-6. I believe Trent Edwards was the one who lost the other two games.

Seneca Wallace is a middle of the road QB. He's better than advertised, but not good enough to carry a team. He could probably start on a few teams. I'd say he's about as good as Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton. Again, I'm not sure where his work ethic factors into this.

Troy Smith brings effort, he just doesn't bring skill. I've watched him on the Ravens and then I saw what happened on the 49ers. He can only play in a specific system and his play style was figured out rather quickly. He doesn't have the physical attributes of Tebow so those limitations are amplified.
 
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Perknose

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Now I agree on the lazy assessment for JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and Vince Young, but I really don't see where you are coming off on the rest of your list. Really, I know I'm just feeding the troll, but lets go through some of the obvious mistakes on that list.

Steve McNair was an NFL MVP, All-Star and had a Superbowl appearance and you think he didn't work hard?

Kordell Stewart, unlike Tebow, had to change his entire play style to fit in on the Steelers and the whole time he was the QB people were constantly shouting to get a traditional pocket passer as their QB. Remember Tommy Maddox? The Steelers fans were cheering for him to enter the game whenever Stewart missed a pass. This is the exact opposite of Tebow who no one expects to make a pass. If Kordell had the entire Steelers offense reworked to fit his gameplay style, he would have had a better time, but that didn't happen. As it is, the Steelers didn't and he still was an okay QB. Not great, but okay. To say he didn't work hard means you didn't follow the NFL when he was a QB.

Donovan McNabb may be a passive-aggressive drama Queen, but if you look at his stats, he's similar in record and accomplishment to Jim Kelly. I'm sure you don't think Jim Kelly was a lazy good for nothing, so why do you think that about McNabb? Any QB that can lead his team to the championship game consistently has to be respected.

Charlie Batch, you should ask Steelers fans about him. I've never heard a single negative thing about his work ethic or team cooperativeness. Not everyone has the talents to be a starting QB in the league, but I don't see you taking a dump on AJ Feeley, Billy Volek, Joey Harrington or John Kitna calling them lazy and unsuccessful. Not only that but unlike the guys I listed previously Batch has been able to hang onto his job with the same team meaning he must be doing something right.

Daunte Culpepper an Ed Block Courage award winner. A multiple time all-pro and pro bowl selection. AND he made Randy Moss look like less of an ass. Those are some great accomplishments. Seriously you don't just bounce back from busting your knee like Culpepper did unless you are a hard worker. Sure he's not as good of a player as he was before the injury, but you can't say that is because of a lack of effort on his part. Of course your boys Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf are different. Those were hard workers while Culpepper is just a bum.

Jason Campbell has worked his way through what? 6 different offensive Coordinators and QB coaches in six seasons in the NFL. Yet he still remains consistent and was putting up better numbers before his injury than Carson Palmer put up after he took over. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about in regards to Campbell.

Michael Vick had a two year layoff and worked back into NFL shape. Plus he gets hit more than any other QB, even the running QBs, but comes back again and again to play. Certainly not the work of a lazy person. Hate him because he's a dog killer and a whiner, but separate your personal feelings from his effort on the field. He doesn't mail it in after the first time he gets hit like your boy Jake Plummer. You might as well throw Jay Cutler under your bus while you are at it for looking pouty on the side lines whenever anything happens.

Byron Leftwich has played his heart out every time he's on the field. Broken arm. Broken Ankle. Broken Leg. He's come back from injuries time and time again. I don't think anyone can question Leftwich's "desire" and "heart" only his skills.

Tavaris Jackson played this season with a torn pectoral muscle and was still a better option at QB than Charlie Whitehurst. Take that for what you will.

David Garrard and MJD were the only real players on the Jags. This season you got to see how much worse the Jags were without a real QB. Luke McCown and Blaine Gabbert got killed this year under the same crappy offense that Gerrard had to run. But hey, it's better to be 5-11 with a white QB than it is to be 8-8 with a "lazy" black QB, right? Oh and BTW, Gerrard was technically 8-6. I believe Trent Edwards was the won who lost the other two games.

Seneca Wallace is a middle of the road QB. He's better than advertised, but not good enough to carry a team. He could probably start on a few teams. I'd say he's about as good as Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton. Again, I'm not sure where his work ethic factors into this.

Troy Smith brings effort, he just doesn't bring skill. I've watched him on the Ravens and then I saw what happened on the 49ers. He can only play in a specific system and his play style was figured out rather quickly. He doesn't have the physical attributes of Tebow so those limitations are amplified.

Thanks. I didn't have the energy to do this myself, but a blanket statement by the poster you were responding to like the one below begged to be shown up for the shallow bigotry it was:

You know why black QBs don't succeed? Its not because they aren't given the opportunity (Jamarcus Russell, anyone), its because they are lazy and don't work as hard once they've seen the big payday.
 

Capt Caveman

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Found this funny on http://www.denverpost.com/broncos -

Whose life would you rather live: Patriots QB Tom Brady's or Broncos QB Tim Tebow's?
Total Votes = 8300

Brady's. Three-time Super Bowl champ, surefire Hall of Famer, married to a supermodel, contract worth $18 million a year.
3683 Votes, or 44.37 %

Tebow's. Heisman Trophy winner, two-time college national champ, inspiring role model with bright future, made about $7 million this season.
4617 Votes, or 55.62 %
 

AMDZen

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Found this funny on http://www.denverpost.com/broncos -

Whose life would you rather live: Patriots QB Tom Brady's or Broncos QB Tim Tebow's?
Total Votes = 8300

Brady's. Three-time Super Bowl champ, surefire Hall of Famer, married to a supermodel, contract worth $18 million a year.
3683 Votes, or 44.37 %

Tebow's. Heisman Trophy winner, two-time college national champ, inspiring role model with bright future, made about $7 million this season.
4617 Votes, or 55.62 %

I know you'll think its stupid, and in many ways I agree that the poll is lopsided just because its the "Denver Post"

But I'd rather be Tebow, for one reason alone. He is 24 and Tom Brady is 34

Thats a decade more of being young. I'm not quite 34 yet and I feel like I'm already too old, I'd love to be 24 again.

Now once I was Tebow, I would live his life differently then he does. But really, how do you know Tebow won't win a super bowl? Or become a Hall of Famer? Or make as much money some day as Brady?

He has a decade to get his life on par with Brady's.
 

Cuda1447

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I know you'll think its stupid, and in many ways I agree that the poll is lopsided just because its the "Denver Post"

But I'd rather be Tebow, for one reason alone. He is 24 and Tom Brady is 34

Thats a decade more of being young. I'm not quite 34 yet and I feel like I'm already too old, I'd love to be 24 again.

Now once I was Tebow, I would live his life differently then he does. But really, how do you know Tebow won't win a super bowl? Or become a Hall of Famer? Or make as much money some day as Brady?

He has a decade to get his life on par with Brady's.


In terms of money, Tebow has the opportunity to make SOOOOOOOOO much more than Brady. Advertising alone, that guy is a freaking gold mine.
 

crownjules

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In terms of money, Tebow has the opportunity to make SOOOOOOOOO much more than Brady. Advertising alone, that guy is a freaking gold mine.

No kidding. The morning sports radio show here in Boston did a random polling. They sent a guy down to Copley Place Mall to randomly interview women who looked like they didn't follow sports at all. He then asked them if they knew the names of popular football players like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Troy Polamalu, Ray Lewis, Vince Wilforketc. They failed on all of those (except one who identified Brees as the NyQuil guy, lol) but every one of the 10 they interviewed knew who Tebow was and usually what team he played on and what position.
 

angminas

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I'm not an atheist nor any sort of tradtional Deist, but you may have more "true believer" in you than you might like to admit. :p

Steelers Broncos Wild Card Game Officials
R — #14 Ron Winter (17th year)
U — #49 Rich Hall (8th year)
HL — #52 Julian Mapp (3rd year)
LJ — #108 Gary Arthur (15th year)
FJ — #88 Scott Steenson (21st year)
SJ — #62 Ronald Torbert (2nd year)
BJ — #83 Richard Reels (19th year)

And that 31:06 time of possession was for Pittsburgh, not Denver.

http://www.footballzebras.com/category/assignments

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320108007

"For behold, I send unto thee upon a white horse Brother Timothy, that he may purge the evils of Benjamin and James from my holy mountain." (Ron 14:17)
 

Miramonti

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Also, Brady is married to one of the hottest women alive. Tebow is ... ostensibly a virgin. Fail!

I don't see fail in waiting for this.

tim_tebow_girlfriend.jpg
 

AMDZen

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I highly doubt it unless he actually remains a QB and wins a Super Bowl.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/17/manning-ranks-fourth-in-income-among-u-s-athletes/

Plus Brady is also married to someone who makes almost double what he makes.



This argument is pointless. Tebow could marry someone who makes even more

Maybe if both of them were retired and we were looking back, but anything can happen.

Tom Brady could get cancer next year, or get in a car accident tomorrow. His supermodel wife could just up and leave him.
 

Perknose

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I highly doubt it unless he actually remains a QB and wins a Super Bowl.

Dunno 'bout that. Like Michele Bachmann or Palin, he's got a built-in core congregation who will follow him religiously.

If he wants, he'll have a prominent (and influential and potentially lucrative) place in the public eye until the day the FSM bears him heaven-ward on its starchy, outstretched tentacle.

Can you say Senator Tebow?

After his post-NFL career as a highly paid motivational speaker and CEO of Tebow Inspirational Industries, Mr. Tebow has thrown his helmet into the political ring!

What religiously correct parent hasn't bought the anatomically modest "Talking Timmy T. Platitudes 'O Plenty Doll" for their at-risk 8 year old?

And the strictly submissive wife and I serve nothing but his "Chock Full Of Myths" brand coffee at our compound. It truly is heavenly! :p
 

AMDZen

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Dunno 'bout that. Like Michele Bachmann or Palin, he's got a built-in core congregation who will follow him religiously.

I think its Ben who has more in common with the traditional religious role models, getting away with rape and all.