Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

[JulesMaximus]

-snip-

IIRC, the Bills beat the Pats in their first matchup this season. And the Chiefs handed Green Bay their only loss. "Bad teams?"

Bills started out the season very strong but a few key players were injured and they quickly lost their edge. I have high hopes for them for next season.

 

[PimpJuice]

I didn't watch the whole thing certain points ring true. I've been musing about these things for a while now.

A lot of black college QBs had the same skill set as Tebow but were never given the same opportunity. They either had to try to be pocket passers, play a different position, or leave the league. You can spin it however you want - it's a cold, hard fact.

I saw Kordell Stewart in his prime. He was more gifted athletically that Tebow is (certainly faster with a stronger arm). But after bursting onto the scene during his "slash" year the Steelers for some reason tried to shoehorn him into being a prototypical NFL QB, and it didn't work. They didn't design and offense for him and cater to his every strength. He has every right to be bitter about this situation.

Wrong.....Tebow wasn't handed anything. He has way more haters than Kordell ever did when he started. His own team president and coach wouldn't even publicly get behind him 100%.

Kordell might have been more gifted athletically, I'll give you that but Tebow has 5 times the heart and works 10 times as hard as Kordell ever did.

You know why black QBs don't succeed? Its not because they aren't given the opportunity (Jamarcus Russell, anyone), its because they are lazy and don't work as hard once they've seen the big payday.

Rodney Peete
Andre Ware
Jeff Blake
Steve McNair
Kordell Stewart
Tony Banks
Charlie Batch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Shaun King
Aaron Brooks
Jarious Jackson
Michael Vick
Quincy Carter
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Byron Leftwich
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Tavaris Jackson
JaMarcus Russell
Troy Smith

There are about 2 QBs on that list that met expectations which is sad because these are supposed to be the best of the best black QBs to be drafted.

They just don't make Warren Moon and Randall Cunninghams anymore.


YHPM

ATOT Moderator ElFenix

Edit: Did not mean to generalize and its not all black QBs (i loved Moon and Cunningham and am a fan of Garrard). Cam Newton seems to be someone who has the dedication and desire to win that I don't see in the QBs I listed. I'm not a fan of him, but he's proven me wrong. Anyways, I spoke wrong and should have stated that it seems like Black QBs rely more on natural talents without putting in the work to practice and understand the playbook, as well as opposing defenses.

 

[Poulsonator]

You could make a white QB list that's just as long.

Also, Steve McNair won an MVP and went to a Super Bowl; Daunte Culpepper had a few amazing years; Donovan McNabb is possibly the best QB in Eagles history, and also played in a Super Bowl.

 

[Corporate Thug]

1. Tebow and the Broncos have already greatly outpaced expectations, and this season is already a gigantic success. Even if they get buttmurdered by the Patriots (13-3, playing at home, plenty of time to rest and prepare, one of the greatest QBs ever, one of the greatest coaches ever, vast postseason experience, etc, etc), it will not mean they have failed or proven any haters right. This year, Tebow got thrown into an Orton-oriented offense as a last resort with poor preparation, and he helped take them from 4-12 to 9-8...if you don't think that's a very good performance, you are stupid. Let's see what he does next year as the clear starter with a full training camp and more than three starts under his belt.

True.

2. Broncos coaching deserves far more credit. Fox and Elway basically made an entire Thanksgiving dinner out of leftovers they found in the back of the fridge. Don't forget the Broncos had their worst season ever just last year. The play calling is gutsy and disruptive, and it gets the job done.

True.

3. If you honestly think Tebow's completion percentage is more than vaguely relevant, you should really just be quiet and let the big kids talk. Big plays involve big risks. See: Barry Sanders, Troy Polamalu, Reggie Jackson, Larry Bird. Good coaches know that incompletions aren't always a bad thing.

Partially true on incompletions, but QB rating tells a more accurate story. Plenty of QB maintain high completion precentages while take waaay more shots down the field than Tebow (Brees, Brady, Rodgers, etc.).

4. If I'm Dan Marino, I'm really glad my record gets broken this year rather than a few years ago. When Matthew Stafford can crack 5k, you know the game has changed. It's like 1998 in MLB, only we have our eyes open this time. Or rather, we have them closed to different things.

Matthew Stafford is a legit QB. I see if winning a Super Bowl as a staring QB before TT does.

5. If you really have to hate something, hating Tim Tebow is just about as low as you can possibly sink. The guy's a winner in every meaning of the word. Go hate air pollution, or flossing, or Youtube comments, or starving to death. If you really don't have anything better to do with your life than dislike Tim Tebow, you don't have a life at all.

I don't understand. Is TT beyond reproach? There is plenty to criticize here so slapping a "hate" sticker on it and saying you shouldn't do it doesn't work.

 

[rasczak]

Wrong.....Tebow wasn't handed anything. He has way more haters than Kordell ever did when he started. His own team president and coach wouldn't even publicly get behind him 100%.

Kordell might have been more gifted athletically, I'll give you that but Tebow has 5 times the heart and works 10 times as hard as Kordell ever did.

You know why black QBs don't succeed? Its not because they aren't given the opportunity (Jamarcus Russell, anyone), its because they are lazy and don't work as hard once they've seen the big payday.

Rodney Peete
Andre Ware
Jeff Blake
Steve McNair
Kordell Stewart
Tony Banks
Charlie Batch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Shaun King
Aaron Brooks
Jarious Jackson
Michael Vick
Quincy Carter
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Byron Leftwich
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Tavaris Jackson
JaMarcus Russell
Troy Smith

There are about 2 QBs on that list that met expectations which is sad because these are supposed to be the best of the best black QBs to be drafted.

They just don't make Warren Moon and Randall Cunninghams anymore.

This has got to be one of the more ignorant statements I have seen in a while.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Wrong.....Tebow wasn't handed anything. He has way more haters than Kordell ever did when he started. His own team president and coach wouldn't even publicly get behind him 100%.

Kordell might have been more gifted athletically, I'll give you that but Tebow has 5 times the heart and works 10 times as hard as Kordell ever did.

You know why black QBs don't succeed? Its not because they aren't given the opportunity (Jamarcus Russell, anyone), its because they are lazy and don't work as hard once they've seen the big payday.

Rodney Peete
Andre Ware
Jeff Blake
Steve McNair
Kordell Stewart
Tony Banks
Charlie Batch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Shaun King
Aaron Brooks
Jarious Jackson
Michael Vick
Quincy Carter
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Byron Leftwich
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Tavaris Jackson
JaMarcus Russell
Troy Smith

There are about 2 QBs on that list that met expectations which is sad because these are supposed to be the best of the best black QBs to be drafted.

They just don't make Warren Moon and Randall Cunninghams anymore.

Who are you in real life? Rush Limbaugh? The only thing missing from your post is the N word.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I'm really hoping the Panthers do well next year so Cam Newton can steal some of the spotlight. He's like Tim Tebow except he can actually pass!

 

[edro]

What other racial generalizations are there?
black kickers?
white running backs and wide receivers?

There is an obvious bias. It probably has more to do with culture than anything else.

 

[SP33Demon]

This has got to be one of the more ignorant statements I have seen in a while.

Not really, only Vick and McNabb have actually lived up to expectations from that list. Maybe Leftwich too. The rest all = epic fail.

 

[AstroManLuca]

What other racial generalizations are there?
black kickers?
white running backs and wide receivers?

There is an obvious bias. It probably has more to do with culture than anything else.

There have only been a handful of black kickers and punters in the NFL's entire history.

There are a few white running backs and wide receivers. Peyton Hillis and Wes Welker for instance.

I think the rarest position for white football players is cornerback. I don't think there are any, and there are only a couple of white safeties.

Actually Deadspin did an article about all-white and all-black teams on Madden: http://deadspin.com/5873045/we-simu...black-race-bowl-on-madden-so-you-dont-have-to

Couldn't say why certain positions are so commonly held by one race or another. You'd think that there are white players with the necessary skills to play cornerback, or black players who could be kickers. Perhaps the fact that there are no white cornerbacks tends to steer white players away from the position and they focus on other positions instead. There are still some positions held roughly equally by black and white players, I think mostly tight ends, defensive ends, and offensive linemen.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm really hoping the Panthers do well next year so Cam Newton can steal some of the spotlight. He's like Tim Tebow except he can actually pass!

Cam is a MUCH better QB than Tim Tebow and anyone who says elsewise is just fucking stupid.

If you put Cam's offense with Tebow's Defense, they would have EASILY made the playoffs and had an oustanding season.

If you put Tebow's offense with the Panthers Defense, Tebow would have maybe 2 wins in his career.

 

[edro]

It's a very touchy subject, but when the bias is so evident, its hard to ignore.
Sports radio almost never talks about it. When they do, its just about QBs.

All of the speed, agility and jumping positions are dominated by black athletes. (RB, WR, DB, SFTY, DE, etc)
It seems that offensive linemen are dominated by white athletes.
It seems that white excel in raw strength positions and blacks excel in pretty much everything else where agility is needed.
When you watch the World's Strongest Man competition, most competitors are white.

The kicker position is probably mainly cultural. (soccer related? many kickers grew up in soccer and soccer is predominately a white sport in America)

Of course you can find examples that disprove these biases, but they still hold true for a great majority.

 

[SP33Demon]

It's a very touchy subject, but when the bias is so evident, its hard to ignore.
Sports radio almost never talks about it. When they do, its just about QBs.

All of the speed, agility and jumping positions are dominated by black athletes. (RB, WR, DB, SFTY, DE, etc)
It seems that offensive linemen are dominated by white athletes.
It seems that white excel in raw strength positions and blacks excel in pretty much everything else where agility is needed.
When you watch the World's Strongest Man competition, most competitors are white.

The kicker position is probably mainly cultural. (soccer related? many kickers grew up in soccer and soccer is predominately a white sport in America)

Of course you can find examples that disprove these biases, but they still hold true for a great majority.

You are forgetting coaches.

 

[preslove]

Wrong.....Tebow wasn't handed anything. He has way more haters than Kordell ever did when he started. His own team president and coach wouldn't even publicly get behind him 100%.

Kordell might have been more gifted athletically, I'll give you that but Tebow has 5 times the heart and works 10 times as hard as Kordell ever did.

You know why black QBs don't succeed? Its not because they aren't given the opportunity (Jamarcus Russell, anyone), its because they are lazy and don't work as hard once they've seen the big payday.

Rodney Peete
Andre Ware
Jeff Blake
Steve McNair
Kordell Stewart
Tony Banks
Charlie Batch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Shaun King
Aaron Brooks
Jarious Jackson
Michael Vick
Quincy Carter
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Byron Leftwich
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Tavaris Jackson
JaMarcus Russell
Troy Smith

There are about 2 QBs on that list that met expectations which is sad because these are supposed to be the best of the best black QBs to be drafted.

They just don't make Warren Moon and Randall Cunninghams anymore.

Go fuck yourself, you stupid, racist piece of shit.

 

[AMDZen]

Haters gonna hate. Gonna make more dumb excuses if he wins again Saturday

 

[Fern]

-snip-

A lot of black college QBs had the same skill set as Tebow but were never given the same opportunity. They either had to try to be pocket passers, play a different position, or leave the league. You can spin it however you want - it's a cold, hard fact.

Although I'm not a Tebow fan, I cannot agree with the above unless you mean "same skill" set in a very general way.

Tebow runs like a damn fullback up the middle for tough yardage. And he does it often. In fact, he's been doing exactly that since he come onto the college scene.

I've never seen any other QB do that, and certainly not like him. He's the only QB I recall seeing in the pro's who's built like a fullback.

The importance of those short-medium yardage plays where he gets the 1st down should not be discounted.

Otherwise, some of his passes are so awful they can't even be intercepted.

I saw Kordell Stewart in his prime. He was more gifted athletically that Tebow is (certainly faster with a stronger arm). But after bursting onto the scene during his "slash" year the Steelers for some reason tried to shoehorn him into being a prototypical NFL QB, and it didn't work. They didn't design and offense for him and cater to his every strength. He has every right to be bitter about this situation.

Yeah, Kordell was faster and more elusive. But Kordell ain't running up the middle knocking LB's backward for the 1st down either.

They didn't try to "shoe horn" him either. Although at that time there was a lot of talk of giving the Kordell-type player the opportunity to prove they could be a pocket passer. However, Cowher (sp?) definitely tried to game plan especially for Kordell. Now if the reason it wasn't very successful is on Kordell or Cowher I don't know. But I definitely remember Cowher trying it.

For many players the system is 'it'. In the wrong system they suck, in the right system they flourish. It's always been that way and always will. If Kordell was just in the wrong system that ain't racism.

Fern

 

[Ichinisan]

1. Tebow and the Broncos have already greatly outpaced expectations, and this season is already a gigantic success. Even if they get buttmurdered by the Patriots (13-3, playing at home, plenty of time to rest and prepare, one of the greatest QBs ever, one of the greatest coaches ever, vast postseason experience, etc, etc), it will not mean they have failed or proven any haters right. This year, Tebow got thrown into an Orton-oriented offense as a last resort with poor preparation, and he helped take them from 4-12 to 9-8...if you don't think that's a very good performance, you are stupid. Let's see what he does next year as the clear starter with a full training camp and more than three starts under his belt.

2. Broncos coaching deserves far more credit. Fox and Elway basically made an entire Thanksgiving dinner out of leftovers they found in the back of the fridge. Don't forget the Broncos had their worst season ever just last year. The play calling is gutsy and disruptive, and it gets the job done.

3. If you honestly think Tebow's completion percentage is more than vaguely relevant, you should really just be quiet and let the big kids talk. Big plays involve big risks. See: Barry Sanders, Troy Polamalu, Reggie Jackson, Larry Bird. Good coaches know that incompletions aren't always a bad thing.

4. If I'm Dan Marino, I'm really glad my record gets broken this year rather than a few years ago. When Matthew Stafford can crack 5k, you know the game has changed. It's like 1998 in MLB, only we have our eyes open this time. Or rather, we have them closed to different things.

5. If you really have to hate something, hating Tim Tebow is just about as low as you can possibly sink. The guy's a winner in every meaning of the word. Go hate air pollution, or flossing, or Youtube comments, or starving to death. If you really don't have anything better to do with your life than dislike Tim Tebow, you don't have a life at all.

:thumbsup:

 

[BUTCH1]

Broncos are supposed to lose that game, handily. But they have a chance and that chance is defense (oh, and Tebow). The way to beat brady, or any other stellar QB, is to blitz the hell out of him every down. Sure you'll get burned by a quick slant or TE, but you can't give him time.

Broncos did a good job of getting to Ben and getting a nice number of great sacks. So Broncos have the pass rush and the corners to support it.

If they can get to brady and the offense manage to move the ball and get some points - broncos can win. Tebow has already shown he rarely turns the ball over. Let's hope they learned something the last time they played.

Broncos by 3, with two patriot turnovers.

"Rarely"?? if he's playing well, yea, if not, no. The key to the game for Denver is how well TT passes the ball, period. If he's accurate it can put the opposing D in a tough situation, having to guard against the fullback running the ball, the option or a down field passer. If TT starts to struggle expect BB to "stack the box" as well. It was obvious his accuracy was good vs Pitt, dumb move by the Pitt coaches not to respect that and still continue to play in defensive sets that completely ignored that fact, don't expect BB to make that mistake..

 

[blankslate]

He should expand his repertoire and learn to do the "double Tebow" when he does something truly amazing...

kneeling down with his forehead resting on 2 fists.

 

[dmcowen674]

He should expand his repertoire and learn to do the "double Tebow" when he does something truly amazing...

kneeling down with his forehead resting on 2 fists.

If he manages to beat Brady I'm sure you will see something like this.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

That's a big IF

 

[Terzo]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but if not...

That Taiwanese animation company did a short on Tebow.

youtube

I got a good chuckle out of it.

 

[Sephire]

Hitler reacts

 

[GTaudiophile]

Hitler reacts

ROFL!

 

[Zargon]

Although I'm not a Tebow fan, I cannot agree with the above unless you mean "same skill" set in a very general way.

Tebow runs like a damn fullback up the middle for tough yardage. And he does it often. In fact, he's been doing exactly that since he come onto the college scene.

I've never seen any other QB do that, and certainly not like him. He's the only QB I recall seeing in the pro's who's built like a fullback.

he just played against the only qb in the NFL who is bigger than him