Saudi girl, 13, sentenced to 90 lashes after she took a mobile phone to school

[Robor]

Things like this are the ultimate reason why we need to wean ourselves off of oil, fuck global warming.

Say, how's that going now that we're 3 years into dem congress?

LOL... You act like GWB wouldn't have vetoed anything that would have harmed the relationship between him and his hand holding boyfriends in SA. Seriously, name me ONE thing done between 2000-2006 that was an attempt to get off oil.

 

[nutxo]

She had assaulted her headmistress after being caught with the gadget which is banned in girl schools, said Al-Watan, a Saudi newspaper....


Was the beating for the hone of the assault?

 

[TehMac]

Brilliant.

- wolf

I'm glad you caught the irony. Interestingly, despite European Schools being public, I know that public schools are made to compete--meaning if the public school doesn't get a grip, it fails.


I'm glad I could explain that to you.

 

[OutHouse]

The public school system is shit for several reasons:

1) Schools don't compete

2) Schools aren't allowed to compete because unions persuade brain washed addled dumbfuck parents to vote against vouchers

3) Vouchers are not voted in, Unions win, teachers are protected, public schooling sucks.

4) Europe laughs at us for being stupid because we're not Socialist.

5) The public school is actually Socialism's last stand in America. Let's get rid of it, shall we?

you say public schools are shit... i wonder how many university freshmen are from from public schools. im guessing most of them.

 

[TehMac]

you say public schools are shit... i wonder how many university freshmen are from from public schools. im guessing most of them.

Obviously there are a few good public schools, but only in high end areas. The majority of schools aren't really teaching their students anything--the schools claim more money is necessary. It's always more money...

 

[palehorse]

Obviously there are a few good public schools, but only in high end areas. The majority of schools aren't really teaching their students anything--the schools claim more money is necessary. It's always more money...

*cough* Teacher's Union *cough*

off-topic...

 

[werepossum]

People need to remember than in Christianity women have often been second class citizens, whereas in Islam they are treasured property.

 

[JSt0rm]

social conservatism taken to its logical conclusion.

 

[Tristicus]

People need to remember than in Christianity women have often been second class citizens, whereas in Islam they are treasured property.

People need to remember this is culture we're talking about not religion.

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm glad you caught the irony. Interestingly, despite European Schools being public, I know that public schools are made to compete--meaning if the public school doesn't get a grip, it fails.


I'm glad I could explain that to you.

The schools are made to compete how? They aren't competing with each. Most European countries have national standards for their schools and the schools are strictly required to comply with those standards. It is the exact opposite of what you believe we should do here, which is corporatize education and have standards on a school by school basis, where a school can teach its students that the earth is 5000 years old or that the Holocaust didn't happen, because in a free enterprise system, everything goes, right?

- wolf

 

[palehorse]

social conservatism taken to its logical conclusion.

Similar to bestiality and pedophelia being social liberalism taken to its own "logical conclusion"?

You're a moron.

I happen to be socially liberal myself... but, you're still a fucking moron.

 

[TehMac]

The schools are made to compete how? They aren't competing with each. Most European countries have national standards for their schools and the schools are strictly required to comply with those standards. It is the exact opposite of what you believe we should do here, which is corporatize education and have standards on a school by school basis, where a school can teach its students that the earth is 5000 years old or that the Holocaust didn't happen, because in a free enterprise system, everything goes, right?

- wolf

Guess again please. In Belgium, parents have the ability to send their children to any school they want to, provided they transport the kid (I imagine school busing is also available). In the U.S., in many city districts, bureaucrats make that decision, parceling up areas in which kids go to the school assigned to them. In this case, there is no competition, because each school is assigned kids and therefore feels no incentive to actively teach--there are of course a few good teachers, but they are overwhelmed by the bureaucratic sloshpit as well as the fact that because unions are in charge, they make it difficult for shit teachers to be fired. If not impossible.

Your hyperbolic analogies are nothing less than what I expected from societal inepts like yourself. And your corporate attacks are nothing but becoming tiresome. Indeed, much like the sad little boy who cried wolf

 

[Zorkorist]

will islam ever let the middle east evolve out of the middle ages? 90 lashes is enough to kill a grown man.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...enced-90-lashes-took-mobile-phone-school.html

A 13-year-old girl has been sentenced to 90 lashes and two months' prison in Saudi Arabia after she took a mobile phone to school.

A court ordered the girl to be flogged in front of her classmates following an assault on the school principal, according to the Saudi daily newspaper Al-Watan.

After the assault she was discovered to have concealed a mobile phone, breaking strict Saudi regulations banning the use of camera-equipped phones in girls' schools.
A criminal gets a public flogging by two officials in Saudi Arabia

Brutal: public floggings, such as in this archive picture, are a common punishment handed down by religious courts in Saudi Arabia

Al-Watan said a court in the northeastern Gulf port of Jubail had sentenced the girl to 90 lashes inside her school, followed by two months' detention.

The punishment is harsher than tha dished out to some robbers and looters.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...s-took-mobile-phone-school.html#ixzz0dCHcwmyc

One of the smartest people I know explains that some religions have had reformations, and some have not.

That explains a lot of what we see religion do today, but it is not the full picture, as my friend is still religous.

The only true answer is the absence of Religion, as a matter of State.

State, needs a lot of help too... but at least it generally doesn't have Kings.

-John

 

[woolfe9999]

Guess again please. In Belgium, parents have the ability to send their children to any school they want to, provided they transport the kid (I imagine school busing is also available). In the U.S., in many city districts, bureaucrats make that decision, parceling up areas in which kids go to the school assigned to them. In this case, there is no competition, because each school is assigned kids and therefore feels no incentive to actively teach--there are of course a few good teachers, but they are overwhelmed by the bureaucratic sloshpit as well as the fact that because unions are in charge, they make it difficult for shit teachers to be fired. If not impossible.
wolf

So why not support providing busing so that parents can choose from a wider array of schools. Why support privatizing schools instead?

I too oppose the teacher's unions making it difficult to fire shit teachers. I don't see why we need a voucher to solve that problem.

Neither of these problems you cite requires privatizing the school system to solve.

- wolf

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Seems entirely reasonable for the crime of being borne Saudi. Custom, tradition and, social interaction don't come from evil tyrants, they come from the general populace over hundreds (in America) and thousands (Saudi) of years.

You have every right to revile them for their practices but, it cannot be denied that it works for them. The moment these practices no longer work for them they will change. BUT, it must come from within. The ONLY way for outside influences to affect change is by destroying their culture.

 

[Zorkorist]

That's a fucking ridiculous arguement.

That's like saying Edison saw the lightbulb light, over 40 years.

It works for them?

Works for whom... the girl being lashed?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

And yes...

The Islamic culture needs outside influences, coming in and stopping it.

Something we began in Iraq.

-John

 

[Oceandevi]

Maybe if schools were able to hand out lashings the education system in this country wouldn't be in the shitter and we wouldn't be developing the next generation of youth who have no respect for anything other than themselves.

Back in ma day we killed bears and rode the corpses to skool. Also guns and beer and football.

Seriously geezer the greeks said what you just said. Teenagers and kids are brats. Deal with it.

 

[Oceandevi]

Anything can work when you kill those who defy you.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That's a fucking ridiculous arguement.

That's like saying Edison saw the lightbulb light, over 40 years.

It works for them?

Works for whom... the girl being lashed?

-John

It works for their society. Have you heard the saying, "you can't fight city hall?" We're not talking about individual actions or feelings. I do not agree with their customs myself but, I respect their society. You do know the difference between respect and like?

 

[PJABBER]

People need to remember than in Christianity women have often been second class citizens, whereas in Islam they are treasured property.

ROTFLMAO! That's a keeper!

 

[Zorkorist]

It doesn't work for any society, Magnus.

One person is more important than millions of persons, always.

The only way you reach millions of persons, is when one person is strong.

This "government" has no respect for one person, and it is wrong.

-John

 

[JSt0rm]

Similar to bestiality and pedophelia being social liberalism taken to its own "logical conclusion"?

No?

You should get out and kill some brown person overseas. You seem a little aggro.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

It doesn't work for any society, Magnus.

One person is more important than millions of persons, always.

The only way you reach millions of persons, is when one person is strong.

This "government" has no respect for one person, and it is wrong.

-John

This is an individual philosophy and whether I agree with that philosophy or not is immaterial.

If you have the strength of conviction to stand against "city hall" then, you must be prepared to die for it with the knowledge that your death will have no impact on "city hall."

Perhaps after a few thousand (or, million) such deaths, the populace will feel the need to change. That is why I said it must come from within. Of course, sacrificing yourself is a much easier decision than destroying millions of lives by destroying their culture.

 

[palehorse]

No?

You should get out and kill some brown person overseas. You seem a little aggro.

been there, done that... you're still a fucking maroon.