Sarah Palin Shows Face to Hundreds of Teabaggers

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woolfe9999

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I'm not advocating it and neither is she, but her point is certainly founded in reality and seems about in line with all the people who kept insisting that GWB was going to attack Iran to help him win the 2004 election.

You sure she isn't advocating it? After saying she didn't support him *cynically* playing the war card, i.e. doing it for political gain, she then said, "If he decided to toughen up and do all that he can to secure our nation and our allies, I think people would, perhaps, shift their thinking a little bit and decide, "Well, maybe he's tougher than we think he's—than he is today," and there wouldn't be as much passion to make sure that he doesn't serve another four years." "Toughening up" and doing "all that he can to secure our nation and our allies" sound like good things, right?

So, it appears she doesn't think he should bomb Iran just to get re-elected, but that he should bomb Iran nonetheless.

Then again, perhaps the more important observation is that it is useless to analyze her words and determine what she is really saying because she is a complete moron who doesn't have the ability to answer a question on the fly, and so she opens her mouth and complete drivel comes out. Accordingly, even *she* probably doesn't know the meaning of what she is saying.

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Bitek

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I can't believe that idiot wrote notes on her hand. I may actually reg R just to vote for her in the primaries. She's the retarded gift that keeps on giving.
 

Patranus

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I still find it funny that people find the need to make up derogatory terms to call the tea party movement and also find the need to put down Sarah Palin at every turn.

For a movement with no future and a dumb bimbo who will never become president, you "progressives" sure find the need to invest a lot of energy into these two groups.
 

Atreus21

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You guys seriously get worked up because she writes friggin notes on her hand?

I mean, I can see hating her for other things, but this seems like a bit of a stretch.
 

OrByte

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I still find it funny that people find the need to make up derogatory terms to call the tea party movement and also find the need to put down Sarah Palin at every turn.

For a movement with no future and a dumb bimbo who will never become president, you "progressives" sure find the need to invest a lot of energy into these two groups.

its hilarious to see the fringe come to try and minimize her epic failure.

Who will the fringe put on a pedestal next? HEYYY where's that Joe the Plumber Guy?!
 

Bitek

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John Edwards the sociopath was pretty close too... and then tried to run for prez again. And?

John Edwards was far from a sociopath. His positions, unlike the actual sociopaths of the right who do not care about others, were about helping others. His flaws were not as you say.

He had the *policy* qualifications to be a great president. When you want to disqualify him for being an adulterer - perhaps a narcissistic flaw - say JFK was not qualified either, Eisenhower wasn't FDR, et al.

Oh come on dude, you've actually got me to agree with CAD. Edwards was an obvious lying sack of shit that would sell his mother if it would help. If he ever said something that would help people, it was only bc it was convenient. Kerry was an idiot to pick him. Thank god niether made it to the WH.
 

fallout man

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I still find it funny that people find the need to make up derogatory terms to call the tea party movement and also find the need to put down Sarah Palin at every turn.

Nonsense!

Given the current economic and political circumstances, I think that the tea-bagger movement has everything they need to win in a sack. They are in a position with a terrific advantage from which they can truly smother and finally snuff-out the opposing liberal socialist communist Marxsist Trotskyites! The most important thing the tea-baggers can do in order to save America at this point is to find a face that can carry this heavy burden with pride, dignity, a smile, and a folksy approach to geo-politics.
 
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yllus

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maybe I'm just dumb, but I've read the quote like 3 times and don't see where she endorses bombing Iran.

Maybe you're missing the context? Ms. Palin made that remark shortly after Daniel Pipes (a commentator of some prominence) stated President Obama should launch a strike on Iran.

Sarah Palin wants the U.S. President to declare war on Iran

Last week, Digital Journal reported that commentator Daniel Pipes stated in an opinion piece in the National Review that he wants United States President Barack Obama to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, which he believes would save the Obama presidency.

On Sunday, former 2008 Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin said in a Fox News interview on Sunday that she also wants the President to declare war on Iran and support Israel to the fullest possible extent, according to The Richmark Sentinel.

It's how some Iranian media seem to be taking the statement:

February 08, 2010 (Hamsayeh.Net) - Sara Palin, a right-wing US politician said if Obama wants to be re-elected again, he should declare war on Iran. The former Alaska governor and a one-time Republican vice presidential candidate urged the Obama administration to play the war card against Iran, immediately.

Palin who is known to have very limited knowledge about the world around her, closely resembles the former the US president George W. Bush’s views on important global issues. In an interview with reporters, Sunday, she said, ‘Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do.’ And continued by saying the military attack changes the dynamics in what we can assume is going to happen between now and three years time.

It's how the National Iranian-American Council read it:

Forgetting for a moment that it is the Congress, not the President, that is empowered with the authority to declare war, this is a pretty brash statement, even for Palin. It is rare that a public figure would call for military action against Iran so explicity — and to call for such drastic action as a purely political ploy breaks an even stronger taboo in Washington circles.

So it cannot be a coincidence that Palin’s advice to President Obama comes just days after prominent anti-Islam activist Daniel Pipes wrote nearly the identical thing in the National Review. “How to Save the Obama Presidency: Bomb Iran” was the title of the article, which my colleague Jamal picked apart well enough that I don’t have to here.

Finally, that's certainly how Mr. Pipes himself sees her statement:

Comments: (1) Buchanan disapproves of Obama taking out the Iranian nuclear infrastructure, but Palin and I “would like him to do” that, thereby removing the world’s No. 1 security threat.

(2) After vilification from the Left and tepid reactions on the Right, it’s nice to have a major political figure endorse my idea.
 
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I thought people were joking about the notes on her hand...

2010-02-07-palinhandclose.jpg
Oh...the horrors!
 

Atreus21

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its hilarious to see the fringe come to try and minimize her epic failure.

Who will the fringe put on a pedestal next? HEYYY where's that Joe the Plumber Guy?!

Nice one.

Palin writes bullet points on her hand. The left gets panties in a wad. Right points and laughs. Left says, "Hilarious that the righties have their panties in a wad."
 

StageLeft

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That is terrible journalism, those assertions in the titles of those pieces. I interpret her comments as saying that the US should fully support Israel. The reason I was offended by her stupidity above, despite her not actually saying he SHOULD attack Iran, is that she states that if he did so it would help his presidential run and he'd seem stronger and she clearly attaches an attack on Iran as helping US security.

Let's put it another way: If Obama did declare war on Iran she would applaud it. I just don't quite see her as saying unequivocally that a declaration should be made.

It must be easy for her in Alaska to be stupid because she does it with such ease.
 

BMW540I6speed

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I still find it funny that people find the need to make up derogatory terms to call the tea party movement and also find the need to put down Sarah Palin at every turn.

Victimhood & appeal to emotion, thats Palins MO. How typical of todays 21st century Republicans. As long as the right trot her out to do these public appearences, she is fair game, get over it. After all this woman is the future of the Tea Baggers and the Rebublican party, correct? It looks like 600 tea baggers paid roughly $350 to $500 to listen to helf speak!?!. I think it's all well and good to say that we all use notes when we speak. On the other hand, if I asked you, "On what three topics you would expect to hear mindless talking points from Sarah Palin?" wouldn't you predict something like taxes, budget and energy? If you thought really "appeal to emotion" pablum, you'd probably predict something like "lift American spirits."

It's also funny that these seem to match the question she was asked by the moderator. "What three things do you think need to be done when we have control of the house and senate?" So, it appears to be a set-up, but she seems to have needed help with what she was prepared to say. Now she is wearing the Isreali lapel pin along with the American one, and is now advocating bombing Iran. All this.."fire and brimestone/rapture appeals to emotion"., more of the media creation. Palin is and will become a bigger media creation as long as these groups and Faux news give her a pulpit. She is a byproduct of the reality show, bubble boy infotainment industry, "appeal to emotion".

I wonder how many appeals to emotion about how the left/liberals and some conservitives are mean to Palin coming from these defenders of goodwill would actually vote for her or think she is what is best for the Republican party and moving a diverse country forward. Almost all rational conservitives and Republicans I know cant wait for the infotainment industry to suck her up with cash so she has no asperations what so ever of running for office, or this portion of the populace to stop buying this act, so these elitists in the infotainment industry like Palin/Limbaugh/Olberman etc. stop padding their pockets, so we can get back to restoring the Republican party with rational no nonsense politicians. I, as was many of my Republican freinds were happy to see a rational, on nonsense somewhat moderate Republican win in Mass.

About Palins intelligence, She is FAR from "stupid". But she plays "ordiniary" for the cameras. The less intelligence you have, the more likely you are to view intelligence as some sort of pretentious, book-ish trait, rather than a general trait that people can use to solve problems. People who really are smart (in the sense that their brains work quickly, they have good memory, and so forth) aren't considered by those much less intelligent or ordinary than them to have anything special.

Why is this? Because nobody can really imagine what it's like to be much smarter than they are. They can try to imagine, but they can't really do it. I could try to imagine what it is like to have the mind of Terence Tao, but it's a fruitless endeavor. The less educated or ordinary people who admire Palin think that they don't need a leader who is really that smart. They just need a leader who "gets it". "Getting it" is "truthiness" in verb form: the knowledge that a certain view of life is just right, and that's that, end of story.

Palin, not merely despite but also because she does not seem very smart, projects the "rightness" of certain fundamental conservative views. She's just a Christian mother who is against abortion and doesn't know too much "bout histery". Some might call my characterization unegalitarian, but sometimes these views fits. Palins hardcore appeals to emotion supporters are the kind of people who say "book smarts aren't what matter, it's people smarts that matter.

These people like Palin because they know she won't say the truth. You aren't 'gonna' hear her say that tax cuts have helped cause the deficit, or...the Democrats are just as committed to fighting terrorism as the Republican, tax rates are lower now than they were under Reagan, chances are pretty good that estate taxes aren't going to apply to you, etc. She's like McDonalds. The food might not be that good, but you know what you are going to get.

To them, people smarter than Palin aren't reliable. They might change their minds in the presence of facts or changing conditions. Imagine what would happen if a conservative like Palin said something like: "You know, I don't like high taxes, but in addition to cutting spending we need to raise taxes to pay down the deficit. Maybe we can lower them again once we have dug ourselves out of our present hole".

I don't think she's an idiot, but she is a ordinary citizen with no special gifts other than beauty. She comes off stupid in the arena of national politics, because nearly everyone else, of every political stripe, has so much more knowledge and insight at their command. They can inspire confidence not by demonstrating their "next-door ordinariness", but by their ability to address complex issues in ways that do more than "appeal to just emotions". William Bennett is an example of a social conservative whom I respect, because he does this. I don't agree with him most of the time, but I will listen to him.

Sarah is a barometer, helping determine who can be taken seriously and who cannot. It's been that way since she was nominated. Whenever she ups the ante by, say, quitting her job as Governor or saying something stupid or "emotional", she is tuning the instrument. A few people snap out of it each time, and the un-serious become more clearly visible. Nonetheless, it still seems like roughly half the country falls for it.
 

CitizenKain

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I still find it funny that people find the need to make up derogatory terms to call the tea party movement and also find the need to put down Sarah Palin at every turn.

For a movement with no future and a dumb bimbo who will never become president, you "progressives" sure find the need to invest a lot of energy into these two groups.

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nick1985

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I can't believe that idiot wrote notes on her hand. I may actually reg R just to vote for her in the primaries. She's the retarded gift that keeps on giving.

Did you laugh just as hard when Obama had to use a teleprompter for a 6th grade class, or are you just a partisan asshole?
 

Bitek

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I thought people were joking about the notes on her hand...

2010-02-07-palinhandclose.jpg


Notice too how she crosses off "Budget Cuts" and rewrites "Tax Cuts"?
Oh no, don't talk about any difficult and substantive issues, instead offer fluffery.

Is this is pretty emblematic of the whole GOP political agenda.

  • Complain bitterly about the deficit
  • Complain bitterly about spending
  • Complain bitterly about any spending cuts
  • Insist everything will be fixed by more tax cuts, magical free tax cuts
  • Complain bitterly about stimulus tax cuts which added to the deficit
Complain, complain, bitch, bitch, bitch, vote no on everything, offer no real ideas, bitch more that nothing ever gets done.
 

Bitek

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Did you laugh just as hard when Obama had to use a teleprompter for a 6th grade class, or are you just a partisan asshole?

I laughed pretty hard at the skit SNL(?) did where they made fun of it. I guess he needs a teleprompter as he can't fit his whole speech on his hand? Perhaps politicians need to learn to write smaller.

I guess that makes me a bi-partisan asshole who's obviously having a lot more fun than you are.
 

nick1985

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I laughed pretty hard at the skit SNL(?) did where they made fun of it. I guess he needs a teleprompter as he can't fit his whole speech on his hand? Perhaps politicians need to learn to write smaller.

I guess that makes me a bi-partisan asshole who's obviously having a lot more fun than you are.


I dont know about that last part. I'm having a blast
 

Lemon law

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I can't believe that idiot wrote notes on her hand. I may actually reg R just to vote for her in the primaries. She's the retarded gift that keeps on giving.
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No, somewhat of a bad idea IMHO.

We have to remember that was exactly what Limbaugh was trying to do, or at least take credit for, in the democratic primaries in 2008. In the end, I do not think it would have mattered if the dems nominated Hillary or Obama, the R's had done such a botch of governance and totally melted down government by 10/2008, meaning either would have won.

Meanwhile, in the Republican primaries for prez in 2008, I can safely so, there were quite a few R's running that closely resembled the Palin position and had the same type appeal to niche constituencies. And all of them got trounced by McCain, showing the GOP electorate was much more rational than the GOP leadership.

I still have similar faith in the GOP electorate, and believe Palin will not and can not get the GOP nomination for President.
 

soundforbjt

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^^^^^My guess is still Newt in 2012. Palin possible tap for VP to cement the tea party vote.

Forgot to add: Rove either working out front or behind the scenes (more likely) as manager or similar position.
 
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woolfe9999

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About Palins intelligence, She is FAR from "stupid". But she plays "ordiniary" for the cameras. The less intelligence you have, the more likely you are to view intelligence as some sort of pretentious, book-ish trait, rather than a general trait that people can use to solve problems. People who really are smart (in the sense that their brains work quickly, they have good memory, and so forth) aren't considered by those much less intelligent or ordinary than them to have anything special.

Why is this? Because nobody can really imagine what it's like to be much smarter than they are. They can try to imagine, but they can't really do it. I could try to imagine what it is like to have the mind of Terence Tao, but it's a fruitless endeavor. The less educated or ordinary people who admire Palin think that they don't need a leader who is really that smart. They just need a leader who "gets it". "Getting it" is "truthiness" in verb form: the knowledge that a certain view of life is just right, and that's that, end of story.

Palin, not merely despite but also because she does not seem very smart, projects the "rightness" of certain fundamental conservative views. She's just a Christian mother who is against abortion and doesn't know too much "bout histery". Some might call my characterization unegalitarian, but sometimes these views fits. Palins hardcore appeals to emotion supporters are the kind of people who say "book smarts aren't what matter, it's people smarts that matter.

These people like Palin because they know she won't say the truth. You aren't 'gonna' hear her say that tax cuts have helped cause the deficit, or...the Democrats are just as committed to fighting terrorism as the Republican, tax rates are lower now than they were under Reagan, chances are pretty good that estate taxes aren't going to apply to you, etc. She's like McDonalds. The food might not be that good, but you know what you are going to get.

To them, people smarter than Palin aren't reliable. They might change their minds in the presence of facts or changing conditions. Imagine what would happen if a conservative like Palin said something like: "You know, I don't like high taxes, but in addition to cutting spending we need to raise taxes to pay down the deficit. Maybe we can lower them again once we have dug ourselves out of our present hole".

By chance, have you read the book The Age of American Unreason, by Susan Jacoby? I ask, because several of your comments seem influenced by Jacoby's ideas, particularly the mention of infotainement. Anyway, if you have not read the book, I highly recommend it.

Palin's public persona isn't simply non-intellectual. It is quite aggressively anti-intellectual. Jacoby would argue, and I would agree, that the age that we are in, where information is absorbed in time-limited soundbites, and our attention spans are therefore limited, enhances the appeal of someone like Palin. It's pretty scarry, actually.

- wolf