Sarah Huckabee Sanders vilifies socialism but wants the feds to come to Arkansas rescue

[feralkid]

I don't recall where it says "blessed are the ignorant, for through their uninformed voting they shall befuck freedom and democracy forever" but I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

 

[NWRMidnight]

It makes me happy to see someone who has a sense that distinguishes between Christianity whatever it is so many are deluded about.

I am having a difficult time rapping my head around how you tied what I said with anything about Christianity. Please, can you show me the path of how you connected those dots. Specially since my post was long before you pulled the Christianity card out of your ass.

I think maybe you are having different conversations with the voices in your head, and they are bleeding out here..

 

[fskimospy]

neither the state of ak or its people federal taxes?

1) Arkansas is AR. Alaska is AK.
2) Money is fungible and Arkansas is a major net recipient of federal money. If normally I give you $1,000 a month but then this month I ask for $200 back so I only gave you $800 - did you give me $200? Sorta I guess, but not really.

 

[shortylickens]

Moonie used to be ultra liberal anf now he's going borderline conservative.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Aside from the fact I was being sarcastic, wouldn’t California get 6.5 percent of any federal aid that might go to California?

I see what I said went over your head, and please, don't play the "I was being sarcastic" card, that is a blatant lie

I know basic math is hard but come on. Are You seriously now are trying to peddle that all of the 30 billion Arkansas pays into the federal government per year goes to CA? Are you aware that CA only gets about 50% of what they pay to the federal government in taxes back thru all federal dispursements, which includes government disaster aid.. where do you think the other 50% goes? (Hint: red states like Arkansas)

 

[Muse]

Moonie used to be ultra liberal anf now he's going borderline conservative.

This has happened to so many for so long, you might say it's part of the human condition. However, it doesn't happen to everybody. "There is absolutely no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate what is happening." - Marshall McLuhan

 

[HomerJS]

Arkansas ranks #6 in poverty (1 is worst) but they spend political capital banning black history and drag shows.

 

[A///]

What are you trying to ask here? Where do you think the $30 billion comes from? The people and businesses! State governments do not pay federal taxes in most cases, other than their portion of social security for their employees.

I was pointing out the absurdity of your post. No one gives a shit if the state is paying federal tax or not. If the people of the state are paying federal taxes and in turn those taxes are being use for emergency purposes then the people of that state paid money that found its way to an affected state.

 

[A///]

1) Arkansas is AR. Alaska is AK.
2) Money is fungible and Arkansas is a major net recipient of federal money. If normally I give you $1,000 a month but then this month I ask for $200 back so I only gave you $800 - did you give me $200? Sorta I guess, but not really.

Right money in fungible but states like Arkansas pay little and get more but well to do states, red or blue, pay more and get loss for every dollar spent. It's the opposite for poor states. The problem with states like arkansas is that they're a drain on our society. Add the poor public schooling and we're shooting ourselves in the foot by not giving promising students a chance to a better life which includes better universities. Or trades, but the issue with trades is once you have too many tradies wanting to do the same thing you've got yourself a little problem.

 

[Muse]

I was pointing out the absurdity of your post. No one gives a shit if the state is paying federal tax or not. If the people of the state are paying federal taxes and in turn those taxes are being use for emergency purposes then the people of that state paid money that found its way to an affected state.

Yeah, and if I spit on the sidewalk and grind it in with my heel, I've made my chops cleaning up the place.

 

[fskimospy]

Right money in fungible but states like Arkansas pay little and get more but well to do states, red or blue, pay more and get loss for every dollar spent. It's the opposite for poor states.

Right, and I'm fine with that in principle but it is a bit galling when the net recipient states talk shit to the net donor states about how Arkansas is funding California's irresponsibility or whatever. No, they aren't.

I'm also not at all confident the public generally or in those net recipient states is aware of the state (har) of affairs. I bet if you asked the average resident of say, Kentucky (20% of GSP comes from net federal transfers) they would say they pay in more than they get back.

 

[A///]

Yeah, and if I spit on the sidewalk and grind it in with my heel, I've made my chops cleaning up the place.

You can choose to spit or not, the states who give money don't get to choose unless they want to be left out of all federal funding. Give and you shall receive, even if it's a shit sandwich. Much like your stupid example you'd get cited in some jurisdictions for spitting. Yes, it is a law in a lot of states under the bodily fluids assault section. Do cops enforce it? IDK, likely not, but it's a law.

 

[Pens1566]

Maybe she should have focused on her state's $$$ instead of the non-existent problem of drag shows??

In all seriousness, she can go pound sand. You want to be free from the "oppressive" fed. government, and run/campaign on that? Fine. Take your hypocrisy and peddle it to the Koch brothers or Murdoch to privately bail you out. Free market amirite?

 

[A///]

Right, and I'm fine with that in principle but it is a bit galling when the net recipient states talk shit to the net donor states about how Arkansas is funding California's irresponsibility or whatever. No, they aren't.

I'm also not at all confident the public generally or in those net recipient states is aware of the state (har) of affairs. I bet if you asked the average resident of say, Kentucky (20% of GSP comes from net federal transfers) they would say they pay in more than they get back.

Except no one in California or any wealthy state is making a big deal out of it. These states at the gov level not the average citizen level are happy to provide aid to faltering states. What some Kentuckan thinks doesn't matter, they're free to think they pay more than they get in even if it isn't the case. I'm not sure why we're splitting hairs here. the fact stands wealthy states pay more than they get in, poorer states pay less than they get in.

 

[A///]

Maybe she should have focused on her state's $$$ instead of the non-existent problem of drag shows??

In all seriousness, she can go pound sand. You want to be free from the "oppressive" fed. government, and run/campaign on that? Fine. Take your hypocrisy and peddle it to the Koch brothers or Murdoch to privately bail you out. Free market amirite?

yes but them focusing on drag shows is to alleviate issues affecting the state. It's easy to rile people up over drag shows which have been going on for decades now and getting people to ignore the fact the economy is in the can, homelessness going up, food and petrol prices going up and more including short sightedness about prepping for a major climate related event like this.

The drag shows and transexuals existed long before most of us knew of their existence going back decades. I cannot possibly think of any time in my life where a transexual or their rights impinged my own life or rights. I've never seen a drag show, I don't ever plan on seeing one, but I also don't think it'd affect my life if I accidentally saw one. Maybe that's me and because I'm used to silliness like panto or cabarets outside the us.

I've lived in the us for a long time now and I still find people way too obsessed with the sex life of others while putting on this fake display of prudeness. They can't use the gays as a focal point in their daily hitler like diatribes and trans people have become the defacto target.

 

[fskimospy]

Except no one in California or any wealthy state is making a big deal out of it. These states at the gov level not the average citizen level are happy to provide aid to faltering states. What some Kentuckan thinks doesn't matter, they're free to think they pay more than they get in even if it isn't the case. I'm not sure why we're splitting hairs here. the fact stands wealthy states pay more than they get in, poorer states pay less than they get in.

I think the discussion is that poorer states have actively attempted to block richer states from getting aid when disasters hit them.

 

[Pens1566]

yes but them focusing on drag shows is to alleviate issues affecting the state. It's easy to rile people up over drag shows which have been going on for decades now and getting people to ignore the fact the economy is in the can, homelessness going up, food and petrol prices going up and more including short sightedness about prepping for a major climate related event like this.

The drag shows and transexuals existed long before most of us knew of their existence going back decades. I cannot possibly think of any time in my life where a transexual or their rights impinged my own life or rights. I've never seen a drag show, I don't ever plan on seeing one, but I also don't think it'd affect my life if I accidentally saw one. Maybe that's me and because I'm used to silliness like panto or cabarets outside the us.

Oh, completely agree. It's definitely a "oooh look at this shiny thing over here instead of the crushing problems that we really don't want to deal with" situation. But, most people are one of 1) too stupid to realize it 2) not paying attention 3) too busy to care. So, they get the leaders they deserve.

All a good reason to weaponize federalism. Let them fully experience the consequences of their choices.

 

[A///]

the twats who mention religion in everything don't know a damn thing about the bible they spout from. They'd shoot Jesus if he came back this Sunday and met with them for being too brown and speaking something that sounded "Muslim" when you have some of the wacky shit being done and said these people are far from anything resembling christianity.

sorry, this Friday! I keep forgetting Good Friday.

I think the discussion is that poorer states have actively attempted to block richer states from getting aid when disasters hit them.

Possibly. Was there not a levy that broke 8 years ago in washington state and the red states didn't want to approve emergency funding aid?

Oh, completely agree. It's definitely a "oooh look at this shiny thing over here instead of the crushing problems that we really don't want to deal with" situation. But, most people are one of 1) too stupid to realize it 2) not paying attention 3) too busy to care. So, they get the leaders they deserve.

All a good reason to weaponize federalism. Let them fully experience the consequences of their choices.

The few who get what's happening find themselves moving to a better state. Don't get me wrong here, the red states or even the deep south have the ability to improve themselves and still remain red. It's easier to cruise along in gov and then get people to blame everyone else in the union, and of course those pesky gays, transexuals, Mexican migrants which are south americaners and the random jab at Canada.

 

[Pohemi]

Besides if you left it up to th epeople of Arkansas or any red state they'd soon begin fucking each other and messing up the gene pool.

Isn't this already the case?

Possibly. Was there not a levy that broke 8 years ago in washington state and the red states didn't want to approve emergency funding aid?

DeSantis, Rubio, et al also talked shit and voted against emergency funding for NY and NJ when they got hit by hurricane Sandy (a rarity). Others talked shit or voted against federal funding for California during wildfires and flooding, etc.

They don't give two shits about openly displaying their hypocrisy because they expect no accountability or backlash from their voters. And as expected, they get none.

The few who get what's happening find themselves moving to a better state. Don't get me wrong here, the red states or even the deep south have the ability to improve themselves and still remain red.

Some would move if they could, but for whatever reason, find themselves 'stuck' where they are.

And it's not about the states, 'remaining red', it's that the elected red remain fixed on baked-up culture war issues so they don't have to address real problems that need fixing. Conservatives like SHS could have principles and decide to actually govern...they just don't.

Shitty humans.

 

[Jaskalas]

Pooling resources to help those in need is, absolutely, the very thing Republicans decry as Socialism. Rest of us just call it insurance, or good governance.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I was pointing out the absurdity of your post. No one gives a shit if the state is paying federal tax or not. If the people of the state are paying federal taxes and in turn those taxes are being use for emergency purposes then the people of that state paid money that found its way to an affected state.

Haha, the irony of your words! (The only thing you pointed out, was the substance of your character, or the lack there of).

Nobody gives a shit? LOL!

Proving Moonbeams post was bullshit, a lie with actual facts is absurd to you?

Obviously this whole discussion is over your head, Because if nobody gave a shit, this topic wouldn't be discussed. What I said to Moonbeam, is also over your head, specially since you where in agreement with his bullshit, stating it was a good point. It wasn't, it was pure bullshit, it was a lie, it was false. Which makes his post absurd, and your belief it was a good point absurd.

So please tell us again the absurdity of my post. Because all you are telling us, is you support bullshit lies, and consider true facts absurd.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Haha, the irony of your words!

Nobody gives a shit? Proving Moonbeams post was bullshit, a lie with actual facts is absurd to you? Obviously this whole discussion is over your head, Because if nobody gave a shit, this topic wouldn't be discussed. What I said to Moonbeam, is also over your head, specially since you where in agreement with his bullshit, stating it was a good point. It wasn't, it was pure bullshit, it was a lie, it was false. Which makes his post absurd, and your belief it was a good point absurd.

So please tell us again the absurdity of my post. Because all you are telling us, is you support bullshit lies, and consider true facts absurd.

alternative facts good, reality bad is Moonbeam’s mentality. putting him on ignore to not listen to his self-indulgent laughable self-gas lighting makes forums much easier to read 👍

 

[NWRMidnight]

alternative facts good, reality bad is Moonbeam’s mentality. putting him on ignore to not listen to his self-indulgent laughable self-gas lighting makes forums much easier to read 👍

putting people on ignore doesn't make the forum better because you only see one side of the conversation. It also allows such people to spread and grow their lies if nobody counters them.. AKA, you can't stick your head in the dirt and think it will go away.

 

[MrSquished]

Cut the shithole states off already.

 

[A///]

Haha, the irony of your words! (The only thing you pointed out, was the substance of your character, or the lack there of).

Nobody gives a shit? LOL!

Proving Moonbeams post was bullshit, a lie with actual facts is absurd to you?

Obviously this whole discussion is over your head, Because if nobody gave a shit, this topic wouldn't be discussed. What I said to Moonbeam, is also over your head, specially since you where in agreement with his bullshit, stating it was a good point. It wasn't, it was pure bullshit, it was a lie, it was false. Which makes his post absurd, and your belief it was a good point absurd.

So please tell us again the absurdity of my post. Because all you are telling us, is you support bullshit lies, and consider true facts absurd.

Why are you repeating yourself when you can't understand what was said? I was clear while knocking back drinks.

There seems to be a disconnect in this thread of what I'm agreeing with. In case it wasn't clear I've been talking shit about conservatives my entire life. No where did I suggest mb is right with his wacky views.

At its very core moonbeam makes a decent point. I don't agree with what he said below because even he knows it's bullshit or I hope he does. Arkansas is not on the hook for any amount if something in California or Washington goes tits up. It doesn't work that way. The core concept I agreed with in his post is that all state citizens are paying federal taxes. That tax money is then divyd for various social services and payouts to public services such as public schools, including rainy day money for emergency funding.

The only thing moonbeam got right here is conservatives whining about this when they're unaware how poor their respective states are, but also miss the cue of how the same concept applies to health insurance, another growing pain for them under the ACA, or more relatable, car insurance. We're all paying towards a big fund. The same people believe in less taxes and eliminating or reducing taxes to nothing for companies and the ultra wealthy. More of that fucking themselves over as @Pohemi suggested.

Nobody likes socialism but the people of Arkansas are forced to pay federal taxes that go to helping the people of California in times of flooding and earthquake so I guess it's Even Steven

Now maybe it's not nice of me to say this since I'm only a naturalized US citizen but if it were up to me I'd cut off any and all funding to red states, close off any borders of blue states near them, stop shipment of necessities and let them breed out and die on their own. Cleanse the human species.