Sarah Huckabee Sanders vilifies socialism but wants the feds to come to Arkansas rescue

[Moonbeam]

Easy, they are either willfully ignorant, or they know what they're voting for. In the information age, there's no excuse to not seek out information.

I find it odd that you are confused by this.

People have the responsibility, so people are assigned the blame.

Where did you pick up such utter tripe. These ideas are all based on your imagination. When you say someone is willfully ignorant what fault makes them that way. What is their motivation; how can you justify blaming them for having it. In your mind what you know, the moral values you hold you were told to believe that not knowing something you have been told you should know is a sin. Why would you imagine they were told that and know that but willfully ignore it.

Why are they not just. Simply ignorant?

And what does the Information Age have to do with anything? Did people just become willfully ignorant. Surely for as long as one person has blamed another for moral failures there has been this kind of so called ignorance.

No, all you are doing is blaming others for not knowing right and wrong the way you were taught to believe just like those you blame do to you.

They know what they are voting for and they know it is as right as you know what you are voting for. You are in their eyes simply willfully ignorant.

So look at you, blaming others for not knowing things as being wrong when you don’t know how wrong you are to blame them. Of course nobody can really blame you.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Where did you pick up such utter tripe. These ideas are all based on your imagination. When you say someone is willfully ignorant what fault makes them that way. What is their motivation; how can you justify blaming them for having it. In your mind what you know, the moral values you hold you were told to believe that not knowing something you have been told you should know is a sin. Why would you imagine they were told that and know that but willfully ignore it.

Why are they not just. Simply ignorant?

And what does the Information Age have to do with anything? Did people just become willfully ignorant. Surely for as long as one person has blamed another for moral failures there has been this kind of so called ignorance.

No, all you are doing is blaming others for not knowing right and wrong the way you were taught to believe just like those you blame do to you.

They know what they are voting for and they know it is as right as you know what you are voting for. You are in their eyes simply willfully ignorant.

So look at you, blaming others for not knowing things as being wrong when you don’t know how wrong you are to blame them. Of course nobody can really blame you.

Seems pretty straight forward to me. You're doing the same ole dancing in circles to distract from the facts.

Willful ignorance is a choice.

This isn't about right and wrong, which you've already stated doesn't exist, just like good and evil.

Other's can claim I'm willfully ignorant all they want, doesn't concern me one bit. I seek information of all kinds, not just that within a certain framework. This isn't about me though, it's about those who choose ignorance.

A voters responsibility is to know what they're voting for. It's that simple. You are personally responsible for what votes you cast. There is no grey area here man, just none.

 

[Pens1566]

putting people on ignore doesn't make the forum better because you only see one side of the conversation. It also allows such people to spread and grow their lies if nobody counters them.. AKA, you can't stick your head in the dirt and think it will go away.

If enough sane posters do put them on ignore, it lets them scream into the void.

 

[A///]

They know what they are voting for and they know it is as right as you know what you are voting for. You are in their eyes simply willfully ignorant.

Lol no they don't. Most republican voters vote because there's an R next to the person's name. They couldn't name a single fucking thing on the person's platform. A convicted time served child sex offendor could run and he'd win the vote against a religious middle of the road Democrat who gives back to the community and is spotless.

 

[Pohemi]

Lol no they don't. Most republican voters vote because there's an R next to the person's name. They couldn't name a single fucking thing on the person's platform. A convicted time served child sex offendor could run and he'd win the vote against a religious middle of the road Democrat who gives back to the community and is spotless.

But same-same, no?

'You are guilty of the same thing you accuse the "other side" of doing, because everyone thinks they are right and moral and everyone is equally at fault anyway because you calling out their shitty behavior actually causes their shitty behavior somehow...and #bothsides.' ~Moonbeam, approximately

 

[A///]

But same-same, no?

'You are guilty of the same thing you accuse the "other side" of doing, because everyone thinks they are right and moral and everyone is equally at fault anyway because you calling out their shitty behavior actually causes their shitty behavior somehow...and #bothsides.' ~Moonbeam, approximately

That's what they say. That's what lazy voters say. I heard that a lot in 2016. It took dotard to get people to wake up. I've been a Democrat ever since I could legally vote. I don't attend the press events anymore because I haven't got the time but for local, state and federal elections I always look up the platforms and look at what they've done. Actions speak louder than words aka promises. The republican paper material I get is great starter for my fireplace or the bbq. There's nothing out of touch republicans can possibly offer once I've read their platform and their actions. I can't say I've ever found the urge to vote R for anyone. Maybe if R stood for release to the sharks they'd have my attention.

 

[MrSquished]

Seems pretty straight forward to me. You're doing the same ole dancing in circles to distract from the facts.

Willful ignorance is a choice.

This isn't about right and wrong, which you've already stated doesn't exist, just like good and evil.

Other's can claim I'm willfully ignorant all they want, doesn't concern me one bit. I seek information of all kinds, not just that within a certain framework. This isn't about me though, it's about those who choose ignorance.

A voters responsibility is to know what they're voting for. It's that simple. You are personally responsible for what votes you cast. There is no grey area here man, just none.

And the problem is it doesn't matter the reason people are ignorant AND/or evil. If you coddle them, do not understand the enemy and prepare for them, we have seen what happens over and over and over again throughout history. Authoritarianism and oppression, BY THOSE PEOPLE AND THE LEADERS THEY SUPPORT.

What Moonbeam proposes is basically the blueprint of how to let fascist, nationalist, authoritarian, oligarchal - or whatever term fits - to take over and oppress a nation and be horrible people.

 

[eelw]

putting people on ignore doesn't make the forum better because you only see one side of the conversation. It also allows such people to spread and grow their lies if nobody counters them.. AKA, you can't stick your head in the dirt and think it will go away.

Really? Why waste time attempting to counter Taj or BrandonBS.

 

[Moonbeam]

the twats who mention religion in everything don't know a damn thing about the bible they spout from. They'd shoot Jesus if he came back this Sunday and met with them for being too brown and speaking something that sounded "Muslim" when you have some of the wacky shit being done and said these people are far from anything resembling christianity.

This is the post I meant to praise,

I am having a difficult time rapping my head around how you tied what I said with anything about Christianity. Please, can you show me the path of how you connected those dots. Specially since my post was long before you pulled the Christianity card out of your ass.

I think maybe you are having different conversations with the voices in your head, and they are bleeding out here..

I quoted you by mistake and have edited the post and in your post #6 you quote the first time Christianity was mentioned so if you were reading your own quotes you would have known where it was mentioned.

 

[A///]

Less of the green stuff or the white powder, moonbeam.

 

[soundforbjt]

I think Arkansas should follow their conservative government thinking and pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

 

[pauldun170]

Pooling resources to help those in need is, absolutely, the very thing Republicans decry as Socialism. Rest of us just call it insurance, or good governance.

Their argument is that people elected by an established process should not be managing pooled resources in a defined way.
They believe that should fall to unelected people who can use whatever reason they so choose to distribute those resources.

In other words, elected officials working to distribute pooled resources are bound by laws. Those laws tend to imply that all persons residing in the territorial US should be treated equally and their personhood is irrelevant when the defining the mechanisms that lead to entitlement towards those pooled resources.

Republicans take a more nuanced approach in that they prefer rely on what their non elected individual leaders define as worthy.
They see the church as the preferred way to distribute resources since church is free to discriminate. A church can decide that pooled resources can restrict to just their members.

When you look at the landscape of religious organizations in the US, it becomes crystal clear why republicans hate things like the civil rights act and the concept of entitlement programs being available to "other people"

 

[Moonbeam]

I see what I said went over your head, and please, don't play the "I was being sarcastic" card, that is a blatant lie

I know basic math is hard but come on. Are You seriously now are trying to peddle that all of the 30 billion Arkansas pays into the federal government per year goes to CA? Are you aware that CA only gets about 50% of what they pay to the federal government in taxes back thru all federal dispursements, which includes government disaster aid.. where do you think the other 50% goes? (Hint: red states like Arkansas)

Here is me in 2018 in a bad mood proposing a solution to the parasitic leeching don by red states on blue states. This is so widely known to liberals that I can't really imagine you didn't catch the sarcasm:

Federal taxes rates should be set so that all states are equal. If you had to pay the cost of being an idiot on your tax return by paying the price of being a conservative, I don't think it would be too long before all states would be blue.

And on the subject of math, if people in Arkansa pay federal taxes and some of the money they put in the community tax pot goes to help some California disaster like the recent flooding event will get federal assistance, then whatever portion of the 6+% of taxes contributed from Arkansas that goes to national disaster relief will be in those checks to California. Do blue states contribute more than red states. obviously. California is what, the 5th largest economy in the world? Try not to be one of those people who goes ready fire aim.

 

[Pohemi]

And on the subject of math, if people in Arkansa pay federal taxes and some of the money they put in the community tax pot goes to help some California disaster like the recent flooding event will get federal assistance, then whatever portion of the 6+% of taxes contributed from Arkansas that goes to national disaster relief will be in those checks to California. Do blue states contribute more than red states. obviously. California is what, the 5th largest economy in the world? Try not to be one of those people who goes ready fire aim.

This is only in question/contention between you due to the notion/fact of Federal taxes being 'pooled' nationally and redistributed nationally as needed. This is indeed true.

I think the reason others, myself included tbh, are calling bullshit is because the ratio of taxes paid in to benefits received back is so much different. If you looked at the numbers separated by state, there would be no circumstance where Arkansas' paid taxes would reach California. The opposite is possible of course. By logic- if Arkansas took in more fed funding than the fed took from AR citizens in taxes...they could not be contributing to help being sent to California. They have a net negative, so they aren't contributing to ANY other states.

And yes, I see you already acknowledged the disparity in population numbers and economy between the states. But it isn't hard to see the argument they are making, either. It doesn't mean I feel we should "cut those states off" and let them fend for themselves, but that's the point of the thread and original discussion, was the hypocrisy from Huckabee-Sanders and other GOP. Nobody should get help until they need it themselves, according to them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonie used to be ultra liberal anf now he's going borderline conservative.

Don't be concerned. I am so liberal I'm not on the spectrum. It's about the law of three. The two sides of duality and the unity behind them. Non-attachment makes it possible to see what is right about both and what is wrong with each believing they have the truth. The same principle applies to why a person like you is so hard on themselves is actually closer the conscious state that would offer freedom from self hate than, say, people who can't self-critique.

 

[Moonbeam]

This has happened to so many for so long, you might say it's part of the human condition. However, it doesn't happen to everybody. "There is absolutely no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate what is happening." - Marshall McLuhan

Please stop with the notion you understand the human condition. Bewilderment, remember? Be more liberal, please.

 

[Moonbeam]

Arkansas ranks #6 in poverty (1 is worst) but they spend political capital banning black history and drag shows.

The South generally has a cultural problem that affects self esteem. They have never gotten over the shame of being despised for being holders and supporters of slavery and gave it up only at the point of a gun. Had they evolved out of it naturally like in the North they would now be tickled pink with being liberal progressives.

 

[Moonbeam]

I was pointing out the absurdity of your post. No one gives a shit if the state is paying federal tax or not. If the people of the state are paying federal taxes and in turn those taxes are being use for emergency purposes then the people of that state paid money that found its way to an affected state.

That's what I see. Naturally, as fskimospy says when you put in some and get back more it's not unlike having never given at all. But technically dollars fro Arkansas go to California. It's just that way more go the other way. Fungible as it were.

 

[A///]

Less of the green stuff or the white powder, moonbeam.

 

[Brovane]

Conservatives just don't understand their own rhetoric sometimes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Right, and I'm fine with that in principle but it is a bit galling when the net recipient states talk shit to the net donor states about how Arkansas is funding California's irresponsibility or whatever. No, they aren't.

I'm also not at all confident the public generally or in those net recipient states is aware of the state (har) of affairs. I bet if you asked the average resident of say, Kentucky (20% of GSP comes from net federal transfers) they would say they pay in more than they get back.

That was the very ignorant arrogance that I chose to use sarcasm to mock.

 

[MrSquished]

she is as evil as Trump and Clarence Thomas. It's a long list.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is only in question/contention between you due to the notion/fact of Federal taxes being 'pooled' nationally and redistributed nationally as needed. This is indeed true.

I think the reason others, myself included tbh, are calling bullshit is because the ratio of taxes paid in to benefits received back is so much different. If you looked at the numbers separated by state, there would be no circumstance where Arkansas' paid taxes would reach California. The opposite is possible of course. By logic- if Arkansas took in more fed funding than the fed took from AR citizens in taxes...they could not be contributing to help being sent to California. They have a net negative, so they aren't contributing to ANY other states.

And yes, I see you already acknowledged the disparity in population numbers and economy between the states. But it isn't hard to see the argument they are making, either. It doesn't mean I feel we should "cut those states off" and let them fend for themselves, but that's the point of the thread and original discussion, was the hypocrisy from Huckabee-Sanders and other GOP. Nobody should get help until they need it themselves, according to them.

I agree. What I don't agree with and said I did in 2018 in anger, is that because the people in red states are delusional and don't know shit from Shinola you can't justify punishing them for their stupidity. Remember that Christ was a liberal who asked God in Heaven to forgive the people who put Him to death because they, not knowing what they did, were blameless. It's not easy to not blame, but I have tried to show that blame is another form of ignorance.

 

[Pohemi]

she is as evil as Trump and Clarence Thomas. It's a long list.

Perhaps, but I see variations and shades of grey between them. Thomas is intellectually dishonest, whereas DonnieTwoScoops and Huckabee-FrumpyMuppetBrow are intellectually vacant.

They're all pieces of shit of course, no argument there.

 

[Moonbeam]

putting people on ignore doesn't make the forum better because you only see one side of the conversation. It also allows such people to spread and grow their lies if nobody counters them.. AKA, you can't stick your head in the dirt and think it will go away.

Now that's some liberal thinking. Too many liberals can't take it when their sacred cows are attacked. They play the victim card and faint. As easily triggered as Republicans.