Sandy Bridge design flaw - Intel halted on NASDAQ - updated 2/8/11.

[eternalone]

Sandy Bridge just started selling on January 9...

20 days later, and it's dead.

-John

Yes also will they comeback with a repackaged Sandy Bridge box??? Lets say different color scheme to boost consumer and retailer confidence?? Also what are the chances they scrap Sandy Bridge all together and rename it something else, or even release Ivy Bridge???? Intel is taking a $700 million dollar hit on this mistake why not just scrap the whole thing, since all the retailers basically did. Take back all the Cpus, and crappy motherboards and do a relaunch.

 

[cotak13]

My solution is acceptable for most people, as most people have a free card slot (or twenty).

-John

No it's not. Not average Joe and Jane who are unlikely to know they brought a defective computer. They will happily use until failure. For these people intel shipping out a add on as a fix is pointless, they don't know how to put it in. And for the likes of Dell and HP to fix by installing a board like that.. maybe but I doubt it. OEMs design to specific specs. Adding something extra to them is an extra cost in future support. They wouldn't be happy.

Also, don't forget the modern reality is that laptops outsell desktops...

 

[thedosbox]

this is probably the biggest disaster in cpu history; the entire market has just been COMPLETELY halted: laptops, desktop pcs, system builders...jesus what a mess

Hardly. Low end desktops will continue to be sold with AMD Inside, or previous generation Intel hardware. Laptops willl similarly continue, though new product launches may be delayed.

 

[endlessmike133]

Hardly. Low end desktops will continue to be sold with AMD Inside, or previous generation Intel hardware. Laptops willl similarly continue, though new product launches may be delayed.

every single laptop maker out there was getting ready to launch their brand new sandy bridge laptops...now its all halted

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Sandy Bridge just started selling on January 9...

20 days later, and it's dead.

-John

8 more days and that would've been funnier. 28 Days Later

 

[cotak13]

Yes also will they comeback with a repackaged Sandy Bridge box??? Lets say different color scheme to boost consumer and retailer confidence?? Also what are the chances they scrap Sandy Bridge all together and rename it something else, or even release Ivy Bridge???? Intel is taking a $700 million dollar hit on this mistake why not just scrap the whole thing, since all the retailers basically did. Take back all the Cpus, and crappy motherboards and do a relaunch.

I doubt it. You are displaying typical "enthusiast tunnel vision". Sure, this is in the news but what news? The majority of customers have not heard. The majority of intel's customers don't buy boxed CPUs, they buy systems from Dell, HP etc. Changing the box does nothing.

As for scrapping this. Why? and just swallow the entire cost of the tooling and R&D effort? Come on man. Even if they make a lost on SB they still want to sell as many as possible to minimize the lost. And since majority of customers for their partners don't know what's in their computer better than they know how many horsepower or cylinder is in their cars, what's the point of scrapping?

Sometimes the thoughts expressed in this forum are a bit dense...

 

[Beavermatic]

I just bought a 2600k from my buddy yesterday... he's an OE seller at a local computer shop.

He ordered the intel motherboard and some ram for me. the motherboard was supposed to ship yesterday, but missed for some reason (i wonder why now, lolol)

Thing is, I sold my previous Q9550, mobo, video card, and ram to pay for this new stuff.

So I have my processor (2600k) and my RAM.

and since it appears my buddies distributor isnt shipping the intel p67 board now even though he ordred it before the recall.... I bet this means I'm going to be stuck in motherboard limbo until April???!!!!!
A processor with no mobo to plug into???

I see newegg and all the major retailers have yanked all p67 mobos, and even the processors (no reason to sell the sandy bridge processor if theres no motherboard for them, eh?)

The hell, I got to sit on this till april??!

Oh well, gives me time to wait for the GTX590 release i suppose later in feb.

 

[Hogan773]

From what I've gathered, Intel is only approving an RMA if people are actually experiencing the problem with the SATA ports. That's why I think you're going to be stuck with a bunch of pissed off people who want their motherboard replaced, but you won't be able to do it for them unless they are directly affected.

Good luck!

Where did you "gather" this info? I don't think ANYONE knows how they're going to handle it because its still fresh today......

 

[Zorkorist]

No it's not. Not average Joe and Jane who are unlikely to know they brought a defective computer. They will happily use until failure. For these people intel shipping out a add on as a fix is pointless, they don't know how to put it in. And for the likes of Dell and HP to fix by installing a board like that.. maybe but I doubt it. OEMs design to specific specs. Adding something extra to them is an extra cost in future support. They wouldn't be happy.

Also, don't forget the modern reality is that laptops outsell desktops...

Ports 0 and 1 on Couger Point, are the 6Gb/sec sata. Laptop manufacturers may well have not have used ports 2-5, the broken 3Gb/sec ports.

-John

 

[Hogan773]

I doubt it. You are displaying typical "enthusiast tunnel vision". Sure, this is in the news but what news? The majority of customers have not heard. The majority of intel's customers don't buy boxed CPUs, they buy systems from Dell, HP etc. Changing the box does nothing.

As for scrapping this. Why? and just swallow the entire cost of the tooling and R&D effort? Come on man. Even if they make a lost on SB they still want to sell as many as possible to minimize the lost. And since majority of customers for their partners don't know what's in their computer better than they know how many horsepower or cylinder is in their cars, what's the point of scrapping?

Sometimes the thoughts expressed in this forum are a bit dense...

+1

to the original poster suggesting that they just scrap this and move to Ivy Bridge - do you really think 1% of the people walking down the street right now even KNOW what the heck "Sandy Bridge" is? No, when they need a desktop or laptop, they log onto Dell.com or walk in to BestBuy or Costco and look at a few tags and walk out with a Core i5, or maybe a Core i7 if they really want that "extra power". In a month or so, Dell will begin releasing (again) the "new" Core i5 and i7 desktops. Until then, they'll be selling 760s and 950s.....and 99% (or maybe 90%) of the customers buying desktops will not have any idea the difference between the i5 760 and i5 2300.......they might know they're buying an "Intel Core i5" but more likely they'll know that they just bought a "Windows PC that was $599 on sale and came with a free upgrade of memory"

Please don't forget that Anandtech enthusiasts (myself included) are a tiny fraction of the consumer base

 

[Zorkorist]

I just bought a 2600k from my buddy yesterday... he's an OE seller at a local computer shop.

He ordered the intel motherboard and some ram for me. the motherboard was supposed to ship yesterday, but missed for some reason (i wonder why now, lolol)

Thing is, I sold my previous Q9550, mobo, video card, and ram to pay for this new stuff.

So I have my processor (2600k) and my RAM.

and since it appears my buddies distributor isnt shipping the intel p67 board now even though he ordred it before the recall.... I bet this means I'm going to be stuck in motherboard limbo until April???!!!!!
A processor with no mobo to plug into???

I see newegg and all the major retailers have yanked all p67 mobos, and even the processors (no reason to sell the sandy bridge processor if theres no motherboard for them, eh?)

The hell, I got to sit on this till april??!

Oh well, gives me time to wait for the GTX590 release i suppose later in feb.

You can still buy a Cougar Point Motherboard, but you, or your buddy in the business, will have to move fast.

I'd buy one any day.

-John

 

[nyker96]

I heard they are not replacing the boards that's already shipped to customers and you have to wait until March/April for corrected ones. That's just terrible!

 

[Zorkorist]

+1

to the original poster suggesting that they just scrap this and move to Ivy Bridge - do you really think 1% of the people walking down the street right now even KNOW what the heck "Sandy Bridge" is? No, when they need a desktop or laptop, they log onto Dell.com or walk in to BestBuy or Costco and look at a few tags and walk out with a Core i5, or maybe a Core i7 if they really want that "extra power". In a month or so, Dell will begin releasing (again) the "new" Core i5 and i7 desktops. Until then, they'll be selling 760s and 950s.....and 99% (or maybe 90%) of the customers buying desktops will not have any idea the difference between the i5 760 and i5 2300.......they might know they're buying an "Intel Core i5" but more likely they'll know that they just bought a "Windows PC that was $599 on sale and came with a free upgrade of memory"

Please don't forget that Anandtech enthusiasts (myself included) are a tiny fraction of the consumer base

If that were true, then Intel could push out defective chips. It's not true, and people do exercise judgement in buying PCs.

They buy the best they can afford, and many of the smarter consumers were waiting for Sandy Bridge.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

I heard they are not replacing the boards that's already shipped to customers and you have to wait until March/April for corrected ones. That's just terrible!

They just learned about this last week.

You can buy a sata card, and just not use the onboard sata, and you will not have a problem.

-John

 

[cotak13]

If that were true, then Intel could push out defective chips. It's not true, and people do exercise judgement in buying PCs.

They buy the best they can afford, and many of the smarter consumers were waiting for Sandy Bridge.

-John

That's just what you feel. The truth is smart customer are far and between. Did you know that it's extremely likely for a random person picked off the street to tell you, if asked what CPU and what OS brand they prefer and given the choice of microsoft and intel, they like having a microsoft CPU and an Intel OS? That's partly why there are those annoying sales person in best buy and other retailers. If the majority of customers are that aware of brand, product lines etc, you can just simply put stuff on a shelf and let people have a go at it.

And it's not just me talking. Stock analyst and traders knows this too. That's why new product announcement hardly makes a ripple in stock prices now. Apple's stock for example reacts primarily to their earnings reports. The last few times they announced new products their stock did nothing. Most people's head are filling with names of tv and movie stars, sports players and birthday of their loved ones. Not Intel's road maps...

 

[StinkyPinky]

Breaking news

Makers of sata cards have just released this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw

 

[Zorkorist]

That's just what you feel. The truth is smart customer are far and between. Did you know that it's extremely likely for a random person picked off the street to tell you, if asked what CPU and what OS brand they prefer and given the choice of microsoft and intel, they like having a microsoft CPU and an Intel OS? That's partly why there are those annoying sales person in best buy and other retailers. If the majority of customers are that aware of brand, product lines etc, you can just simply put stuff on a shelf and let people have a go at it.

And it's not just me talking. Stock analyst and traders knows this too. That's why new product announcement hardly makes a ripple in stock prices now. Apple's stock for example reacts primarily to their earnings reports. The last few times they announced new products their stock did nothing. Most people's head are filling with names of tv and movie stars, sports players and birthday of their loved ones. Not Intel's road maps...

That's a pretty sad state of society, and while I don't doubt you, I prefer not to dwell in their nothingness.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Breaking news

Makers of sata cards have just released this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw

I'm thinking of putting on tennis shoes, and sneaker-netting, again.

-John

 

[Hacp]

Since the issue is only with 6gbps ports, why doesn't intel just have the manu disable the 6gbps slots and sell the existing boards as 3gbps at a discounted rate?

 

[ghost recon88]

I just bought a 2600k from my buddy yesterday... he's an OE seller at a local computer shop.

He ordered the intel motherboard and some ram for me. the motherboard was supposed to ship yesterday, but missed for some reason (i wonder why now, lolol)

Thing is, I sold my previous Q9550, mobo, video card, and ram to pay for this new stuff.

So I have my processor (2600k) and my RAM.

and since it appears my buddies distributor isnt shipping the intel p67 board now even though he ordred it before the recall.... I bet this means I'm going to be stuck in motherboard limbo until April???!!!!!
A processor with no mobo to plug into???

I see newegg and all the major retailers have yanked all p67 mobos, and even the processors (no reason to sell the sandy bridge processor if theres no motherboard for them, eh?)

The hell, I got to sit on this till april??!

Oh well, gives me time to wait for the GTX590 release i suppose later in feb.

Check amazon.com for a board

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Meanwhile back at the ranch AMD stocks went up by another 2 percent.

 

[Locut0s]

Ok well looks like we are obviously going to wait to see what the major mobo manufacturers do via a vi recalls before we decide if we will pull all boards and cpus. Right now I think we can still sell them so long as we make the customer aware of the current situation. Don't know about our web orders. Still I doubt a lithe of people will want to buy a current SB system. It's all still up in the air a bit. We have a post in our forums on the ncix web site that we are updating as we decide exactly what we will be doing and as we learn more.

 

[AnandThenMan]

HAHA suckers, AMD for life! Just kidding, I've build only a handfull of AMD desktops in the last 2 years, this is going to be a major pain in the neck for us. Ugh. Why Intel why.

Toss in a free sata card and call it good.

I don't think Intel management thought this thing through.
-John

You honestly think this is an acceptable solution that Intel would pursue?

Everyone has room for another card. I'm not using any card slots... would you like one of mine?
-John

Everyone? And everyone wants to use some cheap aftermarket SATA card?

You can still buy a Cougar Point Motherboard, but you, or your buddy in the business, will have to move fast.

I'd buy one any day.
-John

Do you work for Intel?

 

[Hogan773]

That's a pretty sad state of society, and while I don't doubt you, I prefer not to dwell in their nothingness.

-John

by the way, I wouldn't equate people's lack of knowledge about the CPU in their PC to a "sad state of society".....we have lots of reasons why our society is filled with idiots (for example, last VP candidate) but while this is YOUR HOBBY (and mine) I don't think we need to expect the whole world to embrace our interest in the inner workings of a PC. Most people want a PC that will fire up Windows and Internet Explorer, and maybe some MS Office and games, and that's it. They don't want to open their computer all the time, they don't want seven ghey neon LED fans inside their super-air-flow giant case that looks like a Decepticon, and they could care less how many SATA 2 and 3 ports are on the mobo. They don't even know what a "mobo" is. In fact, I would bet that a decent number of people don't even know whether their "HP" desktop sports an Intel or AMD processor (not a majority, but a good number though)

 

[StinkyPinky]

Intel wont offer sata cards for a very easy reason...

If it fails, then who does the warranty? I doubt they'd want that. They will just send out a new board to the OEM.