Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

[Puffnstuff]

Who? You mean Vlad and Donnie? That's what's so obvious about all this.

Exactly but if we're honest since Tilleson and Exxon have deep roots in Russia with Gasprov maybe there is a silver lining to this situation. Nobody wants Russia's economy to destabilize so if we purchase their crude it increases our supply and reduces prices for us while providing them with a stable revenue stream. This would be win-win for the both nations.

 

[ivwshane]

i suppose those still denying the Russian hacking will say that this is also BS.

"Russia hacking code' found on Vermont utility computer"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38479179

Actually that story is bs. The malware found was only found on one computer that wasn't connected to the grid computers. The malware used is no indication of who was behind it since the malware can be gotten off of the web.

 

[disappoint]

Err no. The arab nationed caused more suffering for the Palestinians than even Israel under rightwingers.

Btw, every single religin think of its followers as chosen ones. Otherwise the sales pitch falls apart.

Err no. You said 3x3=9. Err no, just no. 3x4=12, not 9. Ook. What does what you said have any bearing on what I said? What are you "err no"ing about? That the measurement of c-nt hairs was off? Did you take a vernier caliper and demonstrate that it was actually 0.02 c-nt hairs and not a whole one as I said? You realize that wasn't to be taken literally right? That human hairs aren't a real measurement of violence by nation states?

If your assertion is that Judaism causes less violence in the world than Islam, sure I can agree with that, but it doesn't change my mind that the religions are based on ideas that can and have incited violent behavior in their adherents.

The majority of Jews may be non violent, but the majority of Muslims are as well. That doesn't change the fact that the ideas they hold can and have caused violence even if indirectly or inwardly instead of outwardly.

Yes every religion thinks that way. And worse. They think if they do what their religious elders tell them, they will have a nice afterlife. Which devalues actual life and values death. A certain path to doom if there ever was one.

 

[Abwx]

That is pretty much what happened when the Ottomon Turks defeated the Byzantine Empire. Also, Islam genocided the cultures of Persia and to an extent, India. Furthermore, there is a tendency in Islam to replace churches and other houses of worship with mosques. That is why Islamic buildings sit where the Temple Mount is located.

So yes. Very much yes.

Lol, so yes you are of bad faith, as much as a living being could be...

Even the turks werent as savage as the US government, although they took Byzance greeks are still here and they have a state, as for the persian culture it just show your total clulessness because islamic at and culture are largelely derived from old Persia wich exsit to this day since Iran is here, but there was no genocide elsewhee than in you straw...

As for your so called temple mount you are one more time showing your total ignorance since it was destroyed by Titus hundreds years before islam even existed, indeed they restaured the place that was no more than a place used to stock whatever trash, anyway keep thinking that you have a brain, i guess that a few neurones are enough for the purpose..

Truth is that so called christians, contary to muslims, are actually rabid materialists, they kill to loot goods, lands, money, oil and use eventually religion as a cover like the spaniards did in south America, that s the reality of history, not of fairy tales spread by supremacists like you..

 

[desura]

Lol, so yes you are of bad faith, as much as a living being could be...

Even the turks werent as savage as the US government, although they took Byzance greeks are still here and they have a state, as for the persian culture it just show your total clulessness because islamic at and culture are largelely derived from old Persia wich exsit to this day since Iran is here, but there was no genocide elsewhee than in you straw...

As for your so called temple mount you are one more time showing your total ignorance since it was destroyed by Titus hundreds years before islam even existed, indeed they restaured the place that was no more than a place used to stock whatever trash, anyway keep thinking that you have a brain, i guess that a few neurones are enough for the purpose..

Truth is that so called christians, contary to muslims, are actually rabid materialists, they kill to loot goods, lands, money, oil and use eventually religion as a cover like the spaniards did in south America, that s the reality of history, not of fairy tales spread by supremacists like you..

This is Al-Queda level intellect you got going on here.

 

[Abwx]

This is Al-Queda level intellect you got going on here.

Then i m sorry to tell you that your level is way below Al Qaeda s...

Or have you any other such straw to smoke screen your sheer ignorance of History..?.

An exemple perhaps ?

Muslim occupation of Spain how many Visigoth churches were replaced with mosques?

Because Visigoths were legitimate in Iberia..?.
By which magic since you consider invaders as being illigetimate (when it s muslims of course)..?.

They were not and they were persecuting both christians who had a different rite and jews in Iberia (there was no spain at the time...), not counting that they were invadors that chased other invadors, namely the Vandals that went then to north Africa..

There was a religious gulf between the Visigoths, who had for a long time adhered to Arianism, and their Catholic subjects in Hispania. The Iberian Visigoths continued to be Arians until 589. There were also deep sectarian splits among the Catholic population of the peninsula. The ascetic Priscillian of Avila was martyred by the Catholic usurper Magnus Maximus in 385, who was trying to prove his correct religious credentials against heretics, before the Visigothic period, and the persecution continued in subsequent generations as "Priscillianist" heretics were rooted out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths

Indeed this is a prove that yo are a supremacist, for you invading and occupying a country is legitimate as long as the invador is a white people, no matter of what religion, and that s exactly what happened in the Americas safe that the Visigoths did no genocide contrary to the alleged christians who invaded the american lands..

Anyway, it will take you centuries to fill the void of what you call your culture, at this point if i were you i wouldnt even try to do so, it s hopeless given from where you would start...

 

[desura]

Yes, Muslims never apologize and never reflect on their actions. They display a profound civilizational immaturity in this way.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Yes, Muslims never apologize and never reflect on their actions. They display a profound civilizational immaturity in this way.

Trump won't apologize to a Muslim family either and a fallen veteran at that.

 

[Iron Woode]

i suppose those still denying the Russian hacking will say that this is also BS.

"Russia hacking code' found on Vermont utility computer"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38479179

BS

Burlington Electric said in a statement that the company detected a malware code used in the Grizzly Steppe operation in a laptop that was not connected to the organization’s grid systems. The firm said it took immediate action to isolate the laptop and alert federal authorities.

some hacking attempt, eh?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Personally I believe that if they hacked they did it to manipulate the poll data that the Democrats were using to guide their strategy.

 

[desura]

Trump won't apologize to a Muslim family either and a fallen veteran at that.

Frankly, it would be better for all involved, both the USA and the Khan family, if immigration restrictions could have prevented conflict and events like 9-11. The son would still be alive if 9-11 had never happened.

 

[DIREWOLF75]

I am fatigued from keeping up with the other thread. This one will be to discuss a different take on this.

It seems that intelligence is quite confident that Russia orchestrated cyber attacks against the US election. This is true independent of any intent or efficacy in undermining a particular candidate or party and changing the votes of the election.

The reaction has been one of divisive partisan politics wherein Americans' main focus is on whether Trump's presidency is legit.

Wake up people. Russia orchestrated an attack on our political system. This is an act of war. In saying so I am not calling for us to declare war on Russia, merely for us to see plainly the aggressive act against the US. Not against Clinton. Not against Democrats. Not against Republicans. Against the US government.

Seeing this as an opportunity to correct an injustice in our election results or otherwise to defend against the notion that the attacks may discredit those results is wrong. We are Americans first. Russia attacked America. America should respond to Russia. When parties respond to each other, even seeing it as an opportunity to discredit each other, we are taking responsibility for Russia's attack. I don't think they could have set it up any better.

Discuss.

According to the guy that delivered the information that went to wikileaks, it was an internal source.
And even if there was hacking(which have not in any way actually been substantiated, and no, Trump claiming it doesn´t count any more than his claims of a thwarted landslide victory), have you actually bothered to look at effects? The people making it have actual effects was (mostly) Murdochmedia and republican supporters.

But seriously, as someone in the US, you have absolutely zero right to talk big about "acts of war", considering that you live in the nation that have performed more acts of war than probably any other nation, despite having existed just a few hundred years.

Do you have even the slightest idea how often USA hacks or tries to hack stuff in other nations? Or interferes with elections in other nations? Oh right, ALL THE TIME.
Going by your own logic, at least 4/5ths of the world would be at war with USA. Including most of NATO.
And that´s just what is known.

 

[cirrrocco]

I just came to post what direwolf just said^^^

 

[cirrrocco]

A nice summary of US subverting other govts. Facts not innuendos

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd

 

[DIREWOLF75]

A nice summary of US subverting other govts. Facts not innuendos

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd

This joke, this rather old joke, pretty much says it all:

Q: Why has there never been a coup in the United States?

A: Because there’s no U.S. embassy in Washington.

And it´s a lot more than 100 years. The extremely illegal annexation of Hawaii pretty much starts the trend, especially with it happening while there was a "friendship"-treaty between USA and Hawaii at the time.

 

[Jhhnn]

According to the guy that delivered the information that went to wikileaks, it was an internal source.

According to the guy who said he delivered it to Wikileaks.

Forget the fact that malware had infected the system & that the guys who maintained & tweaked it to stay ahead of countermeasures worked Moscow office hours.

 

[Jhhnn]

Frankly, it would be better for all involved, both the USA and the Khan family, if immigration restrictions could have prevented conflict and events like 9-11. The son would still be alive if 9-11 had never happened.

Please. 9/11 never would have happened with cockpit security features & procedures that accounted for the possibility of suicide bombers using airplanes as guided missiles. It was a systemic blind spot having jack shit to do with immigration.

 

[desura]

Please. 9/11 never would have happened with cockpit security features & procedures that accounted for the possibility of suicide bombers using airplanes as guided missiles. It was a systemic blind spot having jack shit to do with immigration.

15/19 were Saudis. Others were from Egypt, Lebanon.

And Muslims staying in their home country get to affirm their identity through sharia law and other measures, hence fewer die as suicide attackers, fewer are exposed to "islamophobia".

It's better for us and it is better for them.

 

[Jhhnn]

15/19 were Saudis. Others were from Egypt, Lebanon.

And Muslims staying in their home country get to affirm their identity through sharia law and other measures, hence fewer die as suicide attackers, fewer are exposed to "islamophobia".

It's better for us and it is better for them.

And Muslims traveling in this country get to take the word back home that the US is a good place. When we take in Muslims who are refugees they do the same thing.

 

[alcoholbob]

According to the guy who said he delivered it to Wikileaks.

Forget the fact that malware had infected the system & that the guys who maintained & tweaked it to stay ahead of countermeasures worked Moscow office hours.

Well let's consider this line of logic. If a large multi-national corporation has a major internal scandal of illegal activity that gets leaked to the media, and the media says it was a disgruntled employee who did a physical hand off with an investigative reporter, but the corporation says we found Russian language malware infections in our servers, therefore it must have been the Vladamir Putin who directed the Russian government to air all our dirty laundry to the media (a couple of serious leaps of logic there), should we automatically take the corporation's side as the leading authority of what happened?

 

[werepossum]

And Muslims traveling in this country get to take the word back home that the US is a good place. When we take in Muslims who are refugees they do the same thing.

Except when they decide it's a bad place and kill a bunch of infidels to make it a less bad place, not to mention assure their personal place in Heaven with dozens of virgins to defile.

 

[werepossum]

According to the guy that delivered the information that went to wikileaks, it was an internal source.
And even if there was hacking(which have not in any way actually been substantiated, and no, Trump claiming it doesn´t count any more than his claims of a thwarted landslide victory), have you actually bothered to look at effects? The people making it have actual effects was (mostly) Murdochmedia and republican supporters.

But seriously, as someone in the US, you have absolutely zero right to talk big about "acts of war", considering that you live in the nation that have performed more acts of war than probably any other nation, despite having existed just a few hundred years.

Do you have even the slightest idea how often USA hacks or tries to hack stuff in other nations? Or interferes with elections in other nations? Oh right, ALL THE TIME.
Going by your own logic, at least 4/5ths of the world would be at war with USA. Including most of NATO.
And that´s just what is known.

Well, yeah, but we never did anything so heinous as to send someone an email saying "somebody has your password, please click this button to log in and change it right now". That sort of cruel, inhuman and completely undefeatable shit is beyond the pale, sir.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well let's consider this line of logic. If a large multi-national corporation has a major internal scandal of illegal activity that gets leaked to the media, and the media says it was a disgruntled employee who did a physical hand off with an investigative reporter, but the corporation says we found Russian language malware infections in our servers, therefore it must have been the Vladamir Putin who directed the Russian government to air all our dirty laundry to the media (a couple of serious leaps of logic there), should we automatically take the corporation's side as the leading authority of what happened?

Wikleaks has good reason to deny that the russians were the source of the leaked material, obviously. There is no evidence that the material was leaked rather than hacked, either.

Any leaps of faith are your own.

 

[Jhhnn]

Except when they decide it's a bad place and kill a bunch of infidels to make it a less bad place, not to mention assure their personal place in Heaven with dozens of virgins to defile.

It seems likely to me that millions of Muslims have visited this country in the last 15 years since 9/11. Your application of the ol' tarbrush is duly noted, however.

 

[alcoholbob]

Wikleaks has good reason to deny that the russians were the source of the leaked material, obviously. There is no evidence that the material was leaked rather than hacked, either.

Any leaps of faith are your own.

Okay, now while I did take some philosophy classes, I'm not quite a pro like yourself.

Please show me your wise logic sir, please fill in the missing premise that would fill the blank, since you claim there is no leap of logic and it's purely my imagination.

premise
1. finding potentially Russian origin malware on your systems

missing premise
2. < Jhhnn's "no leap of logic premise>

conclusion
3. Vladamir Putin personal ordered the Russian government to hack the DNC and Podesta and release data to Wikileaks.