Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

[Vic]

Hey, it's not that Trumpsters don't know that they elected the Moscow candidate, it's that they genuinely don't care. Party before country is their motto.

 

[Vic]

Trump & the Repubs are making some mighty big promises to those folks, promises they have absolutely no intention of honoring. Meanwhile, they'll cut the supports right out from under a lot of poor places in this country, mostly red places. It'll be awful hard to blame Dems, but I'm sure they'll try.

Buddy, they could be unemployed and standing in a breadline, and the US could be a single party state with every elected and appointed office filled by Republicans, and they would still blame the liberals and Democrats.

 

[desura]

Dude, they exploited D Party stupidity. That's all it is. If they had used like a virus or worm to infect lots of computers, yeah that is a problem. All they did was send a phishing email to Podesta who stupidly clicked on it.

I hope we're doing this regularly to other countries.

It is more like the D party is the party of the bureaucracy. The big D party thinktanks have been bought off by Gulf oil money. They hate Russia beyond objective reason for these illegitimate reasons: Gulf money and institutional group think.

Common people care a whole lot more about terrorism from Muslim countries and are perplexed at how sensitive Democrats are to Muslim sensitivities and how indifferent they are to these real fears, brushing off the casualties as less than bath tub slips. And again, Democrats play down those fears for a combination of illegitimate reasons: lobbyist and think tank bribery, institutional group think, addiction to wielding national security power.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude, they exploited D Party stupidity. That's all it is. If they had used like a virus or worm to infect lots of computers, yeah that is a problem. All they did was send a phishing email to Podesta who stupidly clicked on it.

I hope we're doing this regularly to other countries.

Phishing works or nobody would do it. It's not D party stupidity, either, but rather the naivete of one guy.

It is more like the D party is the party of the bureaucracy. The big D party thinktanks have been bought off by Gulf oil money. They hate Russia beyond objective reason for these illegitimate reasons: Gulf money and institutional group think.

Common people care a whole lot more about terrorism from Muslim countries and are perplexed at how sensitive Democrats are to Muslim sensitivities and how indifferent they are to these real fears, brushing off the casualties as less than bath tub slips. And again, Democrats play down those fears for a combination of illegitimate reasons: lobbyist and think tank bribery, institutional group think, addiction to wielding national security power.

I'm quite sure that our new SoS has more than a passing familiarity with Gulf oil money.

Common people do care a lot about that. OTOH your characterizations are slanderous to Dems & Muslims in general. There are over 1.6B Muslims in the world & damned few of them have attacked us.

 

[desura]

Phishing works or nobody would do it. It's not D party stupidity, either, but rather the naivete of one guy.



I'm quite sure that our new SoS has more than a passing familiarity with Gulf oil money.

Common people do care a lot about that. OTOH your characterizations are slanderous to Dems & Muslims in general. There are over 1.6B Muslims in the world & damned few of them have attacked us.

I think Tillerson is a great pick for SOS who comes at it from a more pragmatic standpoint and less an ideological standpoint. The people I really distrust are the thinktank people who get feted at the wealthy capitals and come back awed at the wealth and splendor they see and suddenly talk about how just the Muslim people are after seeing the Disneyland version.

That Muslims constantly fall back on the sheer numbers line is pretty disturbing. They take pride in their irresponsible level of population growth? Really? This sort of population growth only ensures more Syria-like failed states, leaving other people to deal with their failures. Muslims can't fall back on the ethical teachings of the religion because it is so lacking and so easily interpreted in a violent way. A straightforward comparison between the major religions would show that Muhammad was more violent than Buddha or Jesus. Emphasis on more.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think Tillerson is a great pick for SOS who comes at it from a more pragmatic standpoint and less an ideological standpoint. The people I really distrust are the thinktank people who get feted at the wealthy capitals and come back awed at the wealth and splendor they see and suddenly talk about how just the Muslim people are after seeing the Disneyland version.

Yu mean think tanks like these?

http://think-tanks.insidegov.com/d/t/Conservative

They're part & parcel of the Israel lobby.

That Muslims constantly fall back on the sheer numbers line is pretty disturbing. They take pride in their irresponsible level of population growth? Really? This sort of population growth only ensures more Syria-like failed states, leaving other people to deal with their failures. Muslims can't fall back on the ethical teachings of the religion because it is so lacking and so easily interpreted in a violent way. A straightforward comparison between the major religions would show that Muhammad was more violent than Buddha or Jesus. Emphasis on more.

Deflection with derision. Oh goody. My point is that extremism among Muslims isn't terribly widespread considering how many of them there really are in this world. Spreading anti-Muslim sentiment in this country serves nobody but the Israelis. It certainly won't convince predominately Muslim countries that we can be honest partners in Peace.

 

[Jhhnn]

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[desura]

Yu mean think tanks like these?

http://think-tanks.insidegov.com/d/t/Conservative

They're part & parcel of the Israel lobby.



Deflection with derision. Oh goody. My point is that extremism among Muslims isn't terribly widespread considering how many of them there really are in this world. Spreading anti-Muslim sentiment in this country serves nobody but the Israelis. It certainly won't convince predominately Muslim countries that we can be honest partners in Peace.

Another typical Muslim move: blame Israel for everything.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11275354/saudi-arabia-gulf-washington

 

[disappoint]

LMAO!!!! That is so hilarious considering you're the one acting like a wannabe internet tough guy.

He wasn't acting like a tough guy. He was acting like an escaped mental patient that hallucinates racism due to his one track mind. Unfortunately for him, it wasn't acting. In his mind, the struggle is real my friend, the struggle is real.

 

[Abwx]

A straightforward comparison between the major religions would show that Muhammad was more violent than Buddha or Jesus. Emphasis on more.

Is there a single muslim country that was ever built after genociding a whole people and seizing her land..?..

Because that s what is the basis of the christian (allegedly..) founded USA, and more generaly of most american state to various extents.

And of course the 60 millions deads of WW2 happened because of muslims, isnt it..

That s a straightforward comparisons contrary to your urban legends based "opinion"..

 

[desura]

Is there a single muslim country that was ever built after genociding a whole people and seizing her land..?..

Because that s what is the basis of the christian (allegedly..) founded USA, and more generaly of most american state to various extents.

And of course the 60 millions deads of WW2 happened because of muslims, isnt it..

That s a straightforward comparisons contrary to your urban legends based "opinion"..

That is pretty much what happened when the Ottomon Turks defeated the Byzantine Empire. Also, Islam genocided the cultures of Persia and to an extent, India. Furthermore, there is a tendency in Islam to replace churches and other houses of worship with mosques. That is why Islamic buildings sit where the Temple Mount is located.

So yes. Very much yes.

 

[sdifox]

That is pretty much what happened when the Ottomon Turks defeated the Byzantine Empire. Also, Islam genocided the cultures of Persia and to an extent, India.

So yes.

And I suppose the Crusaders were better?... Mongols did not genocide cultures... They massacred those who opposed them, but after initial battle, local affairs are local as long as you paid your tribute. Same thing with Muslim occupation of Spain. Jerusalem was open to all under Saladin and all had religious freedom as long as you are not a flip flopper.

Thr thing that irks me about Israel is the government keeps bitching about what the west allowed Hitler o happen and on the other hand keeps breaking international laws as if they do not apply.

How about Israel get out of West Bank to take away the most powerful recruiting tool for the terrorists?

 

[desura]

... Mongols did not genocide cultures... They massacred those who opposed them, but after initial battle, local affairs are local as long as you paid your tribute. Same thing with Muslem occupation of Spain.

Thr thing that irks me about Israel is the government keeps bitching about what the west allowed Hitler o happen and on the other hand keeps breaking international laws as if they do not apply.

How about Israel get out of West Bank to take away the most powerful recruiting tool for the terrorists?

Muslim occupation of Spain how many Visigoth churches were replaced with mosques? Sure, all of the Spanish weren't killed, but disease was the main killer of native Americans. If Muslim invaders had the advantage of disease, it would be a similar story.

West Bank is complicated. There is good geostrategic reason for Israel to hold onto it. A Palestinian state with full sovereignty would be able to import weapons and people to undergo a full scale reconquest of Israel. China holds onto Tibet for similar geostrategic and national security reasons.

Palestinian cause is a Muslim cause. Arafat wouldn't compromise because he was worried about broader Islamic implications With Jerusalem. A Palestinian leadership that was truly secular would have been able to reach peace decades ago. Their uncompromising insistence is due to Islam.

 

[sdifox]

Muslim occupation of Spain how many Visigoth churches were replaced with mosques? Sure, all of the Spanish weren't killed, but disease was the main killer of native Americans. If Muslim invaders had the advantage of disease, it would be a similar story.

West Bank is complicated. There is good geostrategic reason for Israel to hold onto it. A Palestinian state with full sovereignty would be able to import weapons and people to undergo a full scale reconquest of Israel. China holds onto Tibet for similar geostrategic and national security reasons.

Palestinian cause is a Muslim cause. Arafat wouldn't compromise because he was worried about broader Islamic implications With Jerusalem. A Palestinian leadership that was truly secular would have been able to reach peace decades ago. Their uncompromising insistence is due to Islam.

Give me a break. The Arab countries don't give a rat's ass about Palestine. It is actually highly worrysome for thme if it actually gets resolved since then attention will be turned towards their crap. Russia annexes Crimea and everyone is bitching. West Bank should be treated thr same way, yet when US abstains from voting in the UN resolution re continued occupation of West Bank, Israel blasts US government. What is that crap? Where are the economical sanctions against Israel?

 

[desura]

Give me a break. The Arab countries don't give a rat's ass about Palestine. It is actually highly worrysome for thme if it actually gets resolved since then attention will be turned towards their crap. Russia annexes Crimea and everyone is bitching. West Bank should be treated thr same way, yet when US abstains from voting in the UN resolution re continued occupation of West Bank, Israel blasts US government. What is that crap? Where are the economical sanctions against Israel?

More like they care too much and have waged several wars over Palestine.

And lost.

So they compromised.

But if Islam didn't exist, then there wouldn't be a problem there. It is Islam's religious prescriptions, which it plagarized from Judaism anyways, which cause the problem.

 

[sdifox]

More like they care too much and have waged several wars over Palestine.

And lost.

So they compromised.

But if Islam didn't exist, then there wouldn't be a problem there. It is Islam's religious prescriptions, which it plagarized from Judaism anyways, which cause the problem.

Lulz yeah ok. So you are against religious freedom. The wars were not about Palestine, they were about Israel.
Iarael's existence is a fact, the Arab Countries that haven't learnt to deal with this will have to.

 

[desura]

Lulz yeah ok. So you are against religious freedom. The wars were not about Palestine, they were about Israel.
Iarael's existence is a fact, the Arab Countries that haven't learnt to deal with this will have to.

Not at all. Im for religious freedom.

But that also means that religions should be freely criticized, and Islam deserves the most criticism in the world today.

 

[sdifox]

Not at all. Im for religious freedom.

But that also means that religions should be freely criticized, and Islam deserves the most criticism in the world today.

Why? Because it is the most popular excuse for terrorism? When Israel assassinate people on foreign soil, does that mean Judaism is to blame?

What about two tier citizenship, you ok with that? Should the Muslims in Israel wear a red crescent on their shirt now?

 

[desura]

Why? Because it is the most popular excuse for terrorism? When Israel assassinate people on foreign soil, does that mean Judaism is to blame?

What about two tier citizenship, you ok with that? Should the Muslims in Israel wear a red crescent on their shirt now?

What about.

If Israel ever acts in a way that deliberately maximizes civilian casualty, then it will deserve censure. Islam of course deserves censure for the recent Berlin attack.

It is unfortunate, but Muslims in Israel have a tendency to attack random people on the street. That really makes them unsympathetic.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Bullshit. You merely imply that foreknowledge existed. It's bad enough that Repubs knew who did the deeds & why, then capitalized on them.

It's not like Putin intends to strengthen America. Neither do they, apparently, otherwise Putin wouldn't have supported their boy.

I looked at your post and those of others that followed.

It might seem "partisan" to focus on Trump's possible crime. I'm just not so sure that putting lipstick on a disgusting pig in an Inauguration is less serious than the threat to national security when you have a foreign power meddling in the election.

The Repubs have tap-danced all around this issue: "You can't prove it influenced the election outcome" is one of their apologist excuses.

The Disgusting Pig with Lipstick continues to tell us it doesn't matter, the allegations are spurious and partisan, that we have to "move on." These are all indications of a guilty party who doesn't want investigators to discover something deeper. His lemming followers are all filled with anxiety now, writing letters-to-the-editor insinuating that Democrats read and believe fake news and that this is all some sort of partisan ruse of sore losers who want to delegitimize the Trump presidency.

But Trump himself has delegitimized his own presidency -- in his behavior, his logically absurd and exaggerated statements, his dismissal of the national security agencies who produced the report.

Another poster -- Boomerang -- implies that the media is a culprit. I may misunderstand the poster, but there's the implication that -- somehow -- all those "liberal" media moguls get together and conspire to pursue a propaganda campaign. Originally, when I was catching up on my reading from the '90s declassification watershed from the 92 JFK Records Collection Act, I would demonize the media for what I could later prove (to myself, anyway) as a connection between CIA's mid-wifery between the book and film world with Frankenheimer's "Manchurian Candidate" and the Oswald cover-story.

The important point is that pluralistic media offers a sophisticated laboratory for propaganda science. You can "measure" the impact of a propaganda or psy-war campaign with statistical tools. It is a tactic of warfare. CIA and other entities published training manuals on the subject. Oswald's "handler" was a propaganda and psy-war specialist who had added the book-to-film project to his own experience, participation and knowledge.

There are several books I could recommend. But the point I would make is that a really well-planned, well-coordinated propaganda campaign goes far beyond simply publishing distortions, lies and other intentional deviations. In other respects, such as the involvement of Putin, an entity engaging in psy-war can co-opt other unwitting propagandists who may be acting only according to a consensus of group-think. The example of that would be the congressional witch-hunt to pin something on Clinton.

And that's just an additional supporting argument to my idea that the media itself is less of a culprit than we all might like to imagine. The media is just a sounding board or a pond with ripples. There are distortive influences and factors; there are media propagandists. But you neither need to own nor participate as an editor to pursue a propaganda campaign.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Why so serious? Those guys are long time pen pals so forget about it (forgetta bout it).

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Why so serious? Those guys are long time pen pals so forget about it (forgetta bout it).

Who? You mean Vlad and Donnie? That's what's so obvious about all this.

 

[disappoint]

Why? Because it is the most popular excuse for terrorism? When Israel assassinate people on foreign soil, does that mean Judaism is to blame?

What about two tier citizenship, you ok with that? Should the Muslims in Israel wear a red crescent on their shirt now?

F--- yeah Judaism is to blame. You don't think it is? Why? Because it's politically incorrect to say so? Looks like the anti-Semitism thought police influenced you with B.S.

You know what the outcome is when you tell your congregation that they are "the chosen people"? That they are better than everyone who isn't one of their group? They look down on everyone else as if everyone outside their religion is sub human. When they do that they can justify any action. They're about as better than Muslims as Hillary was better than Trump. By a c-nt hair. And only a c-nt hair.

What about two tier citizenship, you ok with that? Should the Muslims in Israel wear a red crescent on their shirt now?

No. Both sides should stop being c-nts to each other that's what they should do. They will only be able to do that if they were to stop seeing each other as sub human.

 

[sdifox]

F--- yeah Judaism is to blame. You don't think it is? Why? Because it's politically incorrect to say so? Looks like the anti-Semitism thought police influenced you with B.S.

You know what the outcome is when you tell your congregation that they are "the chosen people"? That they are better than everyone who isn't one of their group? They look down on everyone else as if everyone outside their religion is sub human. When they do that they can justify any action. They're about as better than Muslims as Hillary was better than Trump. By a c-nt hair. And only a c-nt hair.




No. Both sides should stop being c-nts to each other that's what they should do. They will only be able to do that if they were to stop seeing each other as sub human.

Err no. The arab nationed caused more suffering for the Palestinians than even Israel under rightwingers.

Btw, every single religin think of its followers as chosen ones. Otherwise the sales pitch falls apart.

 

[alien42]

i suppose those still denying the Russian hacking will say that this is also BS.

"Russia hacking code' found on Vermont utility computer"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38479179