Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

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Londo_Jowo

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I suspect more people were affected by the barrage of predominately negative ads from the Clinton campaign vs the predominately positive ads by the Trump campaign. I don'tremember an ad from Clinton stating her stances and views for the US should she be elected.

These ads were run on Discovery, History, Travel, and Science Channels.
 

agent00f

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Russia hit its mark pretty well, don't you think? Or perhaps they should only be credited with an assist.

Putin was trained to do this for a living by some of the best at it, ergo:

I seriously doubt the leaked emails changed very few if any minds. Most voters were busy living their lives and didn't pay that must attention to the emails, just pundits and political junkies. They more than likely chose the candidate they felt was addressing their most important concerns.

That must be why the faithful were saying/doing whatever it takes to keep them all over the news. Until it was inconveniently tied back to Putin in which case don't mind them emails at all, they were probably some figment of crazy leftist imagination.
 

Jhhnn

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I agree but only if you look at it from a insulated perspective. The emails themselves were nothing but the hype and propaganda behind them most certainly had an effect.

The timing was masterful, as well. A few weeks after Comey put the email controversy to rest the DNC hack was made public & the whole thing was blended together in an ongoing slime fest. No sooner did that die down than the Podesta hack was publicized & exploited, again with innuendo, distortions & outright lies. No sooner was that fading than Comey's bullshit letter to Congress dragged it all back to the forefront.

Trump voters never did figure out what they were really voting for. Now we'll all find out the hard way. Well, other than the financial elite. They'll drive the economy like they stole it with predictable results.
 
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desura

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Making Sense Of The Russian Hacks, Trump, Clinton, Wikileaks And The DNC Soap Opera

The author proclaims that he is a Democrat and one that has consistently voted Democrat most of his life. I can't say this enough, it does not do anyone any good to get caught up in what the propaganda media pushes. Question everything.

Yeah, this is pretty much the position I take.

"The email, with the subject line “*Someone has your password,*” greeted Podesta, “Hi John” and then said, “Someone just used your password to try to sign into your Google Account john.podesta@gmail.com.” Then it offered a time stamp and an IP address in “Location: Ukraine.” "

That is just too funny. Laugh out loud funny.

It's amazing how the media rhetoric can amplify what really happened by using words like "weaponized intelligence".

I didn't vote for Trump, but I kind of hope that he gives Putin what he wants and then both countries can focus on squashing Islam.
 

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Trump voters never did figure out what they were really voting for.

They voted for their anger. Their failures to realize the ideals they have made out to be their own self-image. The promise that someone could confirm that it wasn't their fault. That there was always someone else to blame.
 
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Jhhnn

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I suspect more people were affected by the barrage of predominately negative ads from the Clinton campaign vs the predominately positive ads by the Trump campaign. I don'tremember an ad from Clinton stating her stances and views for the US should she be elected.

These ads were run on Discovery, History, Travel, and Science Channels.

Yeh, "Crooked Hillary!" & "Lock her up!" really had a positive tone.

You're willfully blind to the way that Trump & the Repubs beat Clinton down with bullshit. Here's all the ads from the election.

https://newrepublic.com/political-ad-database
 

Jhhnn

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They voted for their anger. Their failures to realize the ideals they have made out to be their own self-image. The promise that someone could confirm that it wasn't their fault. That there was always someone else to blame.

The wrong people, as always. It's not poor people & immigrants dragging us down. They have no power. It's those who do have power beating us down, the Donald Trumps of the world.

It's a very weird politico-economic version of battered spouse syndrome.
 

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The wrong people, as always. It's not poor people & immigrants dragging us down. They have no power. It's those who do have power beating us down, the Donald Trumps of the world.

It's a very weird politico-economic version of battered spouse syndrome.

I said Trump supporters voted on their egos. I never excused Hillary supporters of the same (although the scapegoat is different, as you point out).
 

cubby1223

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The wrong people, as always. It's not poor people & immigrants dragging us down. They have no power. It's those who do have power beating us down, the Donald Trumps of the world.

It's a very weird politico-economic version of battered spouse syndrome.
If you cared that much about the situation, you should not have been one joining in the elitist-snobbish insulting of Trump voters on any and every issue even ones not related to what you care most about.

It boils down to what is more important to you personally: (1) insult and laugh at people you deem inferior, or (2) win elections and control policy. You can't always achieve both simultaneously, as the current state of politics in this nation clearly demonstrates, with the Democrats having the smallest percentage of elected state & national representatives since 1928.
 

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They voted for their anger. Their failures to realize the ideals they have made out to be their own self-image. The promise that someone could confirm that it wasn't their fault. That there was always someone else to blame.
Versus what?

Minorities who vote for Democrats because Democrats keep beating the drums that nothing is their fault, all their problems can be blamed on racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic white males?

Fault lies on both sides, my friend. Neither is squeaky clean.
 

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Versus what?

Minorities who vote for Democrats because Democrats keep beating the drums that nothing is their fault, all their problems can be blamed on racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic white males?

Fault lies on both sides, my friend. Neither is squeaky clean.

You should read the post I wrote after that one. You'll feel silly after.
 

Muse

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Neither does Congress.
I imagine that congressional members with security clearances have access to better information than the general public on this. The security agencies have all agreed that the evidence of Russian tampering of the presidential election is convincing.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yeh, "Crooked Hillary!" & "Lock her up!" really had a positive tone.

You're willfully blind to the way that Trump & the Repubs beat Clinton down with bullshit. Here's all the ads from the election.

https://newrepublic.com/political-ad-database
Never saw any ads stating such, just attack ads from the Hillary and Dem PACs. All Trump ads were about Making America Great Again. The hope angle worked great for Obama, too bad Hillary/Dem PACs chose to abandon the hope theme and lost.
 

agent00f

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Never saw any ads stating such, just attack ads from the Hillary and Dem PACs. All Trump ads were about Making America Great Again. The hope angle worked great for Obama, too bad Hillary/Dem PACs chose to abandon the hope theme and lost.

I take it you've read enough here or elsewhere to figure the ratio of "that bitch hillary" sentiments to "trump is going to get our jobs back", even if you can't quite bring yourself to be honest about it.
 

OrByte

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If you cared that much about the situation, you should not have been one joining in the elitist-snobbish insulting of Trump voters on any and every issue even ones not related to what you care most about.

It boils down to what is more important to you personally: (1) insult and laugh at people you deem inferior, or (2) win elections and control policy. You can't always achieve both simultaneously, as the current state of politics in this nation clearly demonstrates, with the Democrats having the smallest percentage of elected state & national representatives since 1928.
At what point did it EVER matter what Democrats say to Trump supporters?

Just look at all the conversations that take place here in this forum, there is no seeing eye to eye when half the country is grounded in reality while the other half of the country is grounded in the reality that Fox news and OReilly and Hannity and Breitbart create for consumers.

I'll continue to insult idiots that have no critical thinking skills. We call them "low information" voters when we really should be calling them for what they are...idiots.



As far as "winning" elections goes, I'll refer you to Electoral Integrity Project and you can see for yourself just how republicans are "winning" elections these days.

https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/eip-blogs/2016/12/22/was-there-fraud-in-us-elections

The results show that the stages of the vote count, the voting process, and the role of electoral authorities have a fairly clean bill of health across nearly all US states. By contrast, however, according to experts, far greater weakness in many American states concern the stages of district boundary delimitation, state electoral laws, campaign media, and political money.

The results clearly demonstrate that, according to the expert evaluations, Democratic-controlled states usually had significantly greater electoral integrity than Republican-controlled states, across all stages except one (the declaration of the results, probably reflecting protests in several major cities following the unexpected Trump victory). The partisan gap was substantial and statistically significant on the issues of gerrymandered district boundaries, voter registration, electoral laws, and the performance of electoral officials.


Like someone said before me, I'd rather lose an election than win the way you (Trump) did.
 
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If you cared that much about the situation, you should not have been one joining in the elitist-snobbish insulting of Trump voters on any and every issue even ones not related to what you care most about.

It boils down to what is more important to you personally: (1) insult and laugh at people you deem inferior, or (2) win elections and control policy. You can't always achieve both simultaneously, as the current state of politics in this nation clearly demonstrates, with the Democrats having the smallest percentage of elected state & national representatives since 1928.

Lol! Those mean ol dems! If only they were nicer to right wing nuts, maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't have voted for trump!

Sure!

#safespacebitch
 

Jhhnn

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If you cared that much about the situation, you should not have been one joining in the elitist-snobbish insulting of Trump voters on any and every issue even ones not related to what you care most about.

It boils down to what is more important to you personally: (1) insult and laugh at people you deem inferior, or (2) win elections and control policy. You can't always achieve both simultaneously, as the current state of politics in this nation clearly demonstrates, with the Democrats having the smallest percentage of elected state & national representatives since 1928.

Please. I've always contended that Conservatives are more sinned against than sinners, that they're being manipulated at a level that gets past their cognitive faculties. All their best qualities are turned against them.

1928? Then what happened?
 

cubby1223

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Lol! Those mean ol dems! If only they were nicer to right wing nuts, maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't have voted for trump!

Sure!

#safespacebitch
Democrats and their supporters chose their strategy for victory, and lost. No safe space needed. I'm not the one trying to prevent the party which won from governing.

I'm perfectly okay if you guys continue being the elitist snobs you always have been. You just need to accept that these behaviors may cause you to lose some elections you feel are very important.
 
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cubby1223

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Please. I've always contended that Conservatives are more sinned against than sinners, that they're being manipulated at a level that gets past their cognitive faculties. All their best qualities are turned against them.

1928? Then what happened?
Well, if another depression hits, it's going to hit you too. If you are worried about that possibility, perhaps a change of strategy is needed to ensure the people you want in power can win elections.
 

cubby1223

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At what point did it EVER matter what Democrats say to Trump supporters?
Because smart people know that there is a middle large enough to swing elections that can be persuaded.

Without looking up the numbers, going off memory, election turnout was like 55%, with 27% of the voting age population going for Trump, 28% going to Clinton. There are a shit-ton of voters either side could have courted and turned into supporters with altered strategies.

Here's one example of someone the Democrats should have been able to court away from voting for Trump:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/progressive-trump-vote-214534

OrByte said:
Like someone said before me, I'd rather lose an election than win the way you (Trump) did.
Last time I checked, I (1) was not Trump, (2) was not running for any office, & (3) did not vote. I'm not clear on what you are saying.

And since you said you are fine with losing an election, I'm glad to hear that. Accept that the party that won is in control, and move on.
 
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Please. I've always contended that Conservatives are more sinned against than sinners, that they're being manipulated at a level that gets past their cognitive faculties. All their best qualities are turned against them.

1928? Then what happened?
Oh, and in addition, hello, my day job is working with banks to get in regulatory compliance with systems designed to allow financial institutions greater speed and flexibility to see and react to changes in the markets, to help prevent future financial crises, and to help ease problems that arise from failed institutions.

What exactly do you do to make the world a better place besides display your rage on internet forums? Anything? Please tell me you actually have some substance in there to back up what you believe in. Please tell me you are not all talk.
 

agent00f

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Because smart people know that there is a middle large enough to swing elections that can be persuaded.

Without looking up the numbers, going off memory, election turnout was like 55%, with 27% of the voting age population going for Trump, 28% going to Clinton. There are a shit-ton of voters either side could have courted and turned into supporters with altered strategies.

The problem was when one guy gets crowds cheering about walling off them mexican rapists, it only ever makes sense to say don't vote for that guy, especially when your platform is bland centrist. That strategy is hardly a failure when you consider the number of college-educated whites who swung in this election (+10% clinton), the only problem was they're in the wrong parts of the country.

I seriously doubt any democrat can out-"those areas" trump in the rust belt, questionably even obama. Remember he doesn't have to get more votes, just those votes.

Here's one example of someone the Democrats should have been able to court away from voting for Trump:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/progressive-trump-vote-214534

Last time I checked, I (1) was not Trump, (2) was not running for any office, & (3) did not vote. I'm not clear on what you are saying.

And since you said you are fine with losing an election, I'm glad to hear that. Accept that the party that won is in control, and move on.

We have to give the GOP credit for their catchy "both sides equally bad" strategy. Really appeals to those who like to think they're not the sheeple for once.
 

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Because smart people know that there is a middle large enough to swing elections that can be persuaded.

Without looking up the numbers, going off memory, election turnout was like 55%, with 27% of the voting age population going for Trump, 28% going to Clinton. There are a shit-ton of voters either side could have courted and turned into supporters with altered strategies.

Here's one example of someone the Democrats should have been able to court away from voting for Trump:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/progressive-trump-vote-214534


Last time I checked, I (1) was not Trump, (2) was not running for any office, & (3) did not vote. I'm not clear on what you are saying.

And since you said you are fine with losing an election, I'm glad to hear that. Accept that the party that won is in control, and move on.
That plus the people who swung the election are traditional Democrat voters. The Dems relied on "I'm not Trump" and promises of the same old social programs, ignoring both that those programs do nothing to keep their jobs and that these people want jobs, not handouts. That was a tactical mistake of the first water. Other supposedly Democrat-owned constituencies such as Hispanics and blacks also demonstrated some erosion, and across the country, Hillary won a record low number of counties. (Except for "go away, we're still counting" California, obviously.) Democrats need to examine their beliefs. Instead, they are furiously blaming the Russian boogeyman and trying to figure out how to keep power in spite of losing.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I take it you've read enough here or elsewhere to figure the ratio of "that bitch hillary" sentiments to "trump is going to get our jobs back", even if you can't quite bring yourself to be honest about it.
I was going strictly by the ads myself and many Americans who were watching shows on Discovery, History, Travel, and Science Channels viewed many times a night for a couple of months. How many voters do you think came in here or other political related places? A thousand or two? How many saw ths ads run on the channels I mentioned? Hundreds of thousands?