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Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

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boomerang said:
Threads like these are a real testament to the power of the propaganda media. A media that profits from keeping the weak minded in a state of agitation and anxiety. Ah, but it's been said that it takes two to Tango. Obviously needs are being met on both sides of this equation.
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You said more than you know. You just described the essence of the Trump campaign & decades of right wing agitprop preceding it.

What were birtherism, fast & furious, Benghazi, the faux IRS scandal, attacks on the Clinton Foundation & Hillary's emails about if not that?
 
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Jhhnn said:
You said more than you know. You just described the essence of the Trump campaign & decades of right wing agitprop preceding it.

What were birtherism, fast & furious, Benghazi, the faux IRS scandal, attacks on the Clinton Foundation & Hillary's emails about if not that?
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Pretty much all that shit turned out to be a nothing burger but people were furious about it and chose to vote against their own interests because of it.

Meanwhile we are dealing with actual shit like Russian cooperation with trump to swing the election, massive conflicts of interests, increasing corporate influence in Washington, and growing daily evidence of his general incompetence for the position.
 
Bitek said:
You are too caught up in your partisan outcome to see the bigger picture.

The outcome needs to be recognition of Russia's threat, how this fits into a larger plan for destabilization of the West, and putting our posture in proper order. They cannot be trusted.

Just what does Putin have planned on a 5-10yr scale?
Recognize how this fits in and is as great a threat to the US as much of the Soviet era was.

There also needs to be punishment against Russia, although it is a very fine line that needs to be walked.
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Fucking thank you!
 
OK. . . . boomerang to Jhnnn to Sunburn. The Witch Hunts were deliberately manufactured for repetitive media impact on the clueless who nevertheless got their information from the "Lame Stream" media while complaining and objecting to the "Lame Stream" media.

Actually, when it comes to Russian interference, I believe it might prove TRUE that the Russians instigated the school-terror hoaxes directed at LA-USD and NYC school-districts. Those hoaxes, of course, were timed to occur within a day or so each of a GOP debate and an important Town Hall conducted by the Dems.

Psychological warfare is a published, studied, codified and established method of warfare. It doesn't matter whether you can measure the effect on the election; it does matter if you find a faction in a major party and its candidate and surrogates in particular collaborating with a foreign power to follow those playbooks.

My best guess at this point -- the intelligence agencies may already have confirmation of Russian intent. That's enough, no matter what the Russians say.

Instead, the most important implication derives from the treasonous foreknowledge and possible participation on the Elected's part and that of his team.

To say that "nothing was done" with regard to the election vote-count and electoral outcome is a stupid distraction. Instead, folks should pause to look around and see what this makes us look like to the rest of the world.

What does the election of a self-absorbed, lying megalomaniac say about our "democracy" and democratic principles we would like to promote? Who's laughing, who's snickering -- who's viewing the decision with awe and hoping to follow in its footsteps?

If the Russians planned a psy-war campaign to elect the Unholy One, with a vague but intended effect that taints the election no matter what you can prove about the outcome in that regard, and the world obviously laughing at the choice of a Bully, a Liar, a Cheat and a conceited adolescent -- how much louder and profound is that laughter with a world perception that the election was indeed manipulated by Vladimir Putin?

If the Elected-One's postures consistently that "there's no 'There' there with the Russians," or that "CIA, FBI and the rest of those who prepared or reviewed the report (including the White House) were wrong" -- what does it mean exactly?

If the Strategic Doctrine of the Cold War and post-Cold War era required driving a wedge between USSR and China, and our trade relations with China are an envious outcome of that success from a Russian point of view, what does the Taiwan mistake say about what the Russians might be toasting as a success?

Great again? I'll run out of spit and gasoline if I wanted to spit in the face of everyone who brought my country so low with this entire fiasco. We're not coming together, and I'm not praying to Jesus for those people on Christmas.
 
I think tit for tat negotiation is appropriate to try to respond directly and avoid provoking greater conflict.

Being passive or "diplomatic" will just further our in fighting and embolden Russia and other entities to explore where we draw the line. If we wait to draw the line long enough, it would be war. I also think the response ought to be transparent and direct, else the American people will continue to fight each other without recognizing our government at least takes Russia seriously. People here being sheepish about Russia and fighting each other instead is aggravating, but it is parroting our government's action.

What would be an appropriate tat? That's harder. Their elections are already crooked.
 
How about we start with Trump admitting to what the rest of the world already knows (Russia hacked and influenced the election in favor of Trump)

Until he can do that, the US has a big problem.
 
It is sad that one side is OK with Russia supposedly hacking the election (or doesn't believe they hacked) and the other side is NOT OK with Russia supposedly hacking the election.

So people are reacting to this supposed news story based on their political ideology rather than actual facts (or lack of facts). They believe what they want to believe without ANY regard to actuality.

What a world.
 
Sadly I think Trump plans to continue denying that this whole thing exists. Although I'm not sure that implicates him in anything directly.
 
Kazukian said:
I'm beginning to think the whole "advertiser supported news" is a huge problem.
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Do you remember when cable TV first came into being and it was going to be commercial free because subscribers would be footing the bill? Before your time perhaps.

I have to laugh at PBS now. I have to watch a series of commercials before and after watching This Old House and yet my tax money goes to them and they still do all that fundraising. Maybe some changes will come about with the new sheriff.

But to address your point, I don't feel it's an advertiser problem it's a power problem. It dovetails right in with progressive ideology. Factions within the media know that they can influence people to think in a manner they desire. Their motives can be talked about forever but at the heart of it is power and control. The, if you tell a lie big enough, etc.

What's also disturbing is that the self-professed smartest people in any room, can't read and comprehend what they're reading very well. This makes them much easier to manipulate. Raise them to believe that they are the smartest of the smart, teach them what you want to teach them and you churn out faithful followers that don't think they just react. The most motivated try to block Electors at state capitals. The next tier send emails and snail mails, call Electors and make death threats against them. The laziest post here (and actually think they're making a difference). Case in point is the number of them that think that Russia interfered in this election. They've never read anything outside of their bubble. They've only seen the interpretation of the circumstances through the filter of their media. Their idea of getting a well rounded exposure to the "facts" is to visit three of their favorite propaganda sites.

The following would be a great article for them to read. It's an analysis that explores the intent, sourcing and the timeline surrounding the Russian "interference". But they might have to concentrate harder than is possible and to make matters worse, it's longer than two paragraphs. I'll put it here just in case.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/19/a...acks-and-donald-trump-should-read-this-first/
 
boomerang said:
What's also disturbing is that the self-professed smartest people in any room, can't read and comprehend what they're reading very well. This makes them much easier to manipulate. Raise them to believe that they are the smartest of the smart, teach them what you want to teach them and you churn out faithful followers that don't think they just react.
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well that sums up Trump, his followers and the Russians manipulation of them perfectly.

oh the irony.
 
BonzaiDuck said:
Instead, the most important implication derives from the treasonous foreknowledge and possible participation on the Elected's part and that of his team.
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Bullshit. You merely imply that foreknowledge existed. It's bad enough that Repubs knew who did the deeds & why, then capitalized on them.

It's not like Putin intends to strengthen America. Neither do they, apparently, otherwise Putin wouldn't have supported their boy.
 
alien42 said:
do you know how much money media outlets pay for these photos? once in a lifetime opportunity for a photographer.
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In that split second decision of whether to save one's own life or run, he suddenly remembered all the money he will be paid?

It's a bizarre situation how these cameramen and/or photographers don't seem to care about their lives at all it seems. It's like all the shots are taken just perfectly for the camera.
 
boomerang said:
Do you remember when cable TV first came into being and it was going to be commercial free because subscribers would be footing the bill? Before your time perhaps.

I have to laugh at PBS now. I have to watch a series of commercials before and after watching This Old House and yet my tax money goes to them and they still do all that fundraising. Maybe some changes will come about with the new sheriff.

But to address your point, I don't feel it's an advertiser problem it's a power problem. It dovetails right in with progressive ideology. Factions within the media know that they can influence people to think in a manner they desire. Their motives can be talked about forever but at the heart of it is power and control. The, if you tell a lie big enough, etc.
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That describes your source, below, rather well.

What's also disturbing is that the self-professed smartest people in any room, can't read and comprehend what they're reading very well. This makes them much easier to manipulate. Raise them to believe that they are the smartest of the smart, teach them what you want to teach them and you churn out faithful followers that don't think they just react. The most motivated try to block Electors at state capitals. The next tier send emails and snail mails, call Electors and make death threats against them. The laziest post here (and actually think they're making a difference). Case in point is the number of them that think that Russia interfered in this election. They've never read anything outside of their bubble. They've only seen the interpretation of the circumstances through the filter of their media. Their idea of getting a well rounded exposure to the "facts" is to visit three of their favorite propaganda sites.

The following would be a great article for them to read. It's an analysis that explores the intent, sourcing and the timeline surrounding the Russian "interference". But they might have to concentrate harder than is possible and to make matters worse, it's longer than two paragraphs. I'll put it here just in case.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/19/a...acks-and-donald-trump-should-read-this-first/
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The first thing they do is to establish a false timeline, then bullshit their way around the rest. Here's the real timeline-

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/12/50526...-hacking-came-up-in-the-presidential-campaign

Even if one accepts that the intent was to discredit our election process they couldn't have done a better job of it than by helping Trump get elected by a minority of voters.
 
interchange said:
If Russia sent a nuclear missile to us but it failed to detonate, would that not be an act of war?

I create a thread specifically to point attention to the attack that Russia has laid upon the US government as a whole so that it can be set apart from the one which has degenerated into partisan attacks.

Not only has it quickly degenerated into the same thread, but I am being attacked as if it were my intent.

Not only that, but you have missed the main point entirely. My suspicion is that the intended consequence of these attacks was to amplify the effect of Americans fighting Americans.

Is anyone interested in seeing the behavior in this thread from that lens? If you do, then you would realize that the nuclear missile hit its target precisely.
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Here's the problem: Read your links. Note all the things the Chinese and Russians have stolen. Remember the Chinese attempts to buy American elections for the Clintons. Now that your ox has been gored (or so you'd like to think - can't possibly be that you had a stinker of a candidate), you've suddenly decided that we're at war with Russia and under attack. Yet even if you are correct that the Russians hacked the DNC to discredit the Dems with their own shady dealings, that same activity has undoubtedly been going on for a couple decades with things the rest of us care about.

The vast majority of Americans are much more concerned that foreign nations have stolen our military secrets than that a foreign nation has embarrassed Her Royal Clinton. When it comes down to it, you simply aren't going to convince many Americans that theft of F-35 plans is trivial but disclosing the DNC's plans to stack the primary for Hillary is an act of war. This is why you guys are literally left out in the cold chanting idiotic slogans. You've forgotten the politician's most important ability - to pretend to care about things other people care about more than one cares about oneself. And the more shrill you guys get, the more you bluster and try bribes and protests and death threats to overturn an election, the more apparent this becomes.

And while you're at it, maybe educate the self-proclaimed smartest people in the world on what is a phishing attack and why one should not click that oh so convenient button to change one's password.

I cannot stand Donald Trump, but at least we aren't likely to lose a trillion dollars to a "Nigerian bureaucrat" with a get rich qui- um, a great investment opportunity.
 
interchange said:
Sadly I think Trump plans to continue denying that this whole thing exists. Although I'm not sure that implicates him in anything directly.
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The russians already said they were in contact with the trump campaign throughout. I think its only a matter of time before emails are subpoenaed.
Don't forget there are a lot of disgruntled people who didn't get positions in his cabinet they were looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if things leak anonymously either.
 
raildogg said:
In that split second decision of whether to save one's own life or run, he suddenly remembered all the money he will be paid?

It's a bizarre situation how these cameramen and/or photographers don't seem to care about their lives at all it seems. It's like all the shots are taken just perfectly for the camera.
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these are professional photographers, how do you feel when people question your abilities at your profession?

it sounds like you are turning what you can't understand into a conspiracy.
 
interchange said:
Sadly I think Trump plans to continue denying that this whole thing exists. Although I'm not sure that implicates him in anything directly.
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I left this in the middle of the other 35+ thread:

If Trump continues to deny what US officials have stated as FACT. What President Obama has stated as FACT:

That Russia subverted the US election process in favor of a Trump presidency.

What does that make Trump in the eyes of the US Intelligence Community and the US Congressional bodies?

because if he (Trump) isn't careful, he is walking a thin line.

Rebellion or Insurrection:

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

I hope Trump continues to deny that Russia was a major player in the hacking that took place in the 2016 US election. I did notice that the other day when Obama held his press conference (last friday) to discuss Russia and Putin, Trump held a 'Thank you' rally in Florida, and he didn't mention anything about Russia hacking, even though it has been the top political story for the past 7-10 days. And he has publicly commented before Obama's press conference, but not so much afterwards...

I hope our press continues to ask him about the issue, I also hope the press AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE continue to pressure Trump to release his tax returns. Something he said he was going to do.
 
raildogg said:
In that split second decision of whether to save one's own life or run, he suddenly remembered all the money he will be paid?

It's a bizarre situation how these cameramen and/or photographers don't seem to care about their lives at all it seems. It's like all the shots are taken just perfectly for the camera.
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It looks all buttoned up but then you have to step back and think about what some photographers do. They go into war-zones and put their lives at risk for inordinate amounts of time. Some of them just have that instinct, which could very well end up in their death at some point. But they shoot away anyways. Whether that's admirable or suicidal who knows.
 
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